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Friday, May 24, 2013

Curtis Granderson has fractured left pinky finger

(riveraveblues.com)

posted 6 hours ago by Repoz to yankees | 8 comment(s)

The Yankees just can’t catch up to all these injuries. Less than two weeks after he returned from a fractured right forearm, Curtis Granderson suffered a fractured fifth metacarpal (left hand) in his left hand when Cesar Ramos hit him with a pitch in the fifth inning. No word on a timetable for his return, but it’s same injury Alex Rodriguez had last season. He missed six weeks. Crud.

Granderson, 32, actually stayed in the game to run the bases before being removed the game after the ...

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1. Der_K posted on March 07, 2013 at 02:50 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

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2. SG posted on March 07, 2013 at 02:57 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I figure he would have retired after last season if he hadn't gotten hurt, but part of me was hoping he'd keep pitching until he was 50.

3. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on March 07, 2013 at 02:58 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Will he make the HOF on the first ballot?

4. SG posted on March 07, 2013 at 02:59 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think so. He won't be unanimous though.

5. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:01 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think there will be enough 'no closers' and 'no first ballots ever' to just miss. Second ballot for sure.

6. DL from MN posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Think the Yankees will give him a shot at another ring and trade him to a contender?

7. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Who gets closer to Rivera's save record - Papelbon or Soria? Is there really anyone else?

8. SG posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:05 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Kimbrel.

9. GregD posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:06 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Put me in the column of thinking yes he will make the first ballot easily

10. Gamingboy posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:12 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Long live the number 42.

11. tfbg9 posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:24 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

As long as keeps "Mo'ing" them down like he always has, I will believe it when I see it. And then I will expect a comeback.

12. Liver of blaspheming 'zop posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:26 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

If the Yanks are out of it (as they most likely will be), I'd like to see them give a start to Rivera in September. I've always wanted to see what post-1997 Rivera would do in a 5-6 inning outing.

13. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:32 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

According to b-r Rivera hasn't pitched yet this spring. What is the timetable for his return?

14. Howie Menckel posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:35 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

If they're going to throw Rivera a bone in September, it would be to let him play center field for an inning. He always talks about that.

Of course, he was shagging flies before the injury last season - but if he's retiring anyway...

15. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:36 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Will he make the HOF on the first ballot?

Yes, presuming the voters can stop masturbating over him long enough to free up a hand to check his name off on the ballot.

I think he's a deserving HOFer, obviously, though wildly overrated due to the relative lack of innings compared to other HOFers. Since when do people salivate over 52 WAR pitchers?

16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:37 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Why wait til the end of the year?

17. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:37 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

If they're going to throw Rivera a bone in September, it would be to let him play center field for an inning. He always talks about that.

I thought he got the flyball shagging out of his system after suffering the most pointless injury in baseball history.

18. SG posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:38 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

What is the timetable for his return?

He's throwing BP and sim games. He just hasn't pitched in an actual game yet. He should be ready at the start of the year.

Since when do people salivate over 52 WAR pitchers?

I realize you're one of the exceptions, but I think in the eyes of many Rivera's postseason stats make him more than a '52 WAR' pitcher.

19. Nasty Nate posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:39 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Since when do people salivate over 52 WAR pitchers?

just because you don't like the answer to this question doesn't mean you don't know it....

20. Randy Jones

posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:42 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Since when do people salivate over 52 WAR pitchers?

A lot of people seem to talk up this guy and his 50.3 WAR.

21. Blastin posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

My favorite player.

22. What did Billy Ripken have against Elroy Face? posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:43 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Private Rivera? Man, after that many years of exemplary service you'd think he'd have been promoted at least to Lt. Colonel or something.

23. Bruce Markusen posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Leave it to Ray to insult Rivera, one of the game's greatest relief pitchers and a guy who has been regarded as a fine and well-liked teammate. Well done, Ray. You never disappoint.

"Most pointless injury in baseball history?" Yeah, as if no one has ever gotten hurt slamming his hand in a temper tantrum (Doyle Alexander) or in any of dozens of other ways featured at this site. http://www.stevetheump.com/strange_injuries.htm

24. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I don't know, Mo doesn't have a lot of innings compared to other HOFers, but "reliever" has been a career option for a good 50 years now. He's farther ahead of the second best guy than the second is ahead of the 50th. That 206 career ERA+ is probably the most anomolous stat in baseball.

25. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:51 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

A lot of people seem to talk up this guy and his 50.3 WAR.

Another pitcher who is wildly overrated, as people think he was better than Pedro in his prime.

26. Blastin posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:52 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Shh, Bruce. Ray is making a very important point that must be pointed out right this instant.

27. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

"Most pointless injury in baseball history?" Yeah, as if no one has ever gotten hurt slamming his hand in a temper tantrum (Doyle Alexander)

The "most" pointless was hyperbole -- I'll settle for "one of the most" -- but how is hurting yourself shagging flyballs more worthy than hurting yourself after being upset about an actual game performance/situation?

Rivera getting hurt in the way that he did was the height of silliness.

28. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Rivera is going to retire with the lowest ERA (min. 1000ip) since... wait for it... Babe Ruth. I think with the saves record and an ERA that hasn't been put up since the Deadball Era, the electorate will find a way to induct Rivera on the first go round.

29. JJ1986 posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

He was better than Pedro.

30. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) posted on March 07, 2013 at 03:57 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Glenallen Hill night terror injury will never be topped.

31. tfbg9 posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Another pitcher who is wildly overrated, as people think he was better than Pedro in his prime.

And another pitcher whose rep is bolstered by great post season stats, plus he never blew a couple games in the biggest gag job in history!
I kid. I kid. And I'm tired of seeing my guys ground meekly to 2nd off Mo. Retire.

32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:02 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

I think he's a deserving HOFer, obviously, though wildly overrated due to the relative lack of innings compared to other HOFers. Since when do people salivate over 52 WAR pitchers?

I agree with Ray on this one. Rivera is grossly overrated. Take away the leverage index, and he's a 30 WAR pitcher.

Did nobody notice how the Yankees didn't miss him, at all, last year?

He was less important to the four Championship teams than Jeter, Williams, Pettitte, and Cone. Maybe equal to Tino and O'Neill.

Closers just aren't a big deal. I thought we all knew that?

33. Der_K posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:04 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Marlins had a series of celebratory injuries (during high-fives, pie tosses, etc...), which they responded to by trying to never win again.

34. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:10 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Closers just aren't a big deal. I thought we all knew that?

Apparently not.

And, yeah, I didn't even bring up the LI issue, which is the elephant in the room where his 52 WAR is posted.

He gets extra credit for the vast majority of his innings.

35. SoSH U at work posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:12 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The Marlins had a series of celebratory injuries (during high-fives, pie tosses, etc...), which they responded to by trying to never win again.

Kendry Morales' injury is the gold standard here.

36. tfbg9 posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

His "best" year was '96, no?

37. BDC

posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:13 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

So what would be the scale of comparison for injuries that had some point? I mean, they're all pretty senseless when you think about it. Cameron and Beltran collide, somebody sits on Derek Jeter while he's sliding into third, Josh Hamilton breaks a collarbone trying to score – what would have been achieved if these things hadn't happened, that made them somehow worth it? Rivera wasn't playing in a game, but he was doing what ballplayers do; should he have sat on a pouf in the bullpen while the rookies did ballplayer things instead? Going down the scale, you've got Jim Lonborg hurting himself skiing, Aaron Boone playing basketball, that sort of thing; then it's down to washing trucks and taking out the garbage before you get to the spiders and pies-in-the-face. But what's the point to any of this? Life is a series of accidents waiting to happen.

38. Der_K posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:14 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Oh definitely, SoSH - but I give the fish extra credit for volume

39. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:16 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

The most hilarious part about Rivera's injury was that his job is so easy that the guy sitting next to him in the pen was able to do it as well.

Try replacing a "bestest of the bestest, OMIGAAAWD" position player or starting pitcher that way.

"Rivera is hurt. Whatarewegonnado whatarewegonnado whatarewegonnaDOOOO?!?!?"

It turns out that the answer was "plug in another guy from your bullpen."

Yes, Rivera's loss created an innings deficit in the pen, but it was nothing they couldn't overcome and the point is that his "job," which is supposed to be vastly important -- MAYDAY MAYDAY WHO IS GOING TO CLOSE NOW?!?!?! -- was handled very easily by another reliever -- and they didn't even have to go outside of the organization to get him. He was sitting there. He was sitting right there.

40. Lassus posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:18 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Some people simply have zero sense at all of dramatic narrative, even when a lack of empirical value is freely admitted.

41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:23 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Some people simply have zero sense at all of dramatic narrative, even when a lack of empirical value is freely admitted.

There actually wasn't that much drama to Rivera's unwordly post-season scoreless streak.

The Yankees won almost all those series very easily, and 3 or 4 extra blown saves in 1998-2000 very likely doesn't change their ring count at all.

If the Yankees had re-upped John Wetteland in 1997, and traded Rivera for someone who didn't pan out, they almost certainly have the same number of Championships.

42. SG posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:25 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

You could separate the job from the player doing the job, although I suppose it's more fun to piss in Rivera's fans corn flakes.

43. Nasty Nate posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:29 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

There actually wasn't that much drama to Rivera's unwordly post-season scoreless streak.

To be fair, he has other long postseason scoreless streaks and drama outside of the 98-00 championship run.

If the Yankees had re-upped John Wetteland in 1997, and traded Rivera for someone who didn't pan out, they almost certainly have the same number of Championships.

I think "almost certainly" is too strong and FWIW they would likely NOT have the same number of AL pennants.

44. Gonfalon Bubble posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:32 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

If you redistribute the same nine runs through random variation, the Giants still win 5-4, but Bobby Thomson doesn't need to bat. So spare us the arm waves and the screaming.

45. Ray (RDP)

posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:32 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Some people simply have zero sense at all of dramatic narrative, even when a lack of empirical value is freely admitted.

Drama doesn't have anything to do with value. But I'll bite: How much added "drama" does a closer bring when his team wins 16 of 17 World Series games over a five-year stretch, as they did from 1996-2000? Were they losing those World Series without him?

Granted he brought a lot of "drama" when Sandy Alomar homered off him in 1997, and when Luis Gonzalez beat him in Game 7 of 2001, and when Millar/Roberts/Meuller beat him in 2004.

Why have they only won once since 2000, if The Greatest Closer In History has so very very much value?

46. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:41 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Nobody is ever going to convince you that you should care about something, RDP.

47. Liver of blaspheming 'zop posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:44 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Here's an interesting question: say you need a pitcher for one inning. Would you rather have peak Rivera or peak Pedro, assuming that Pedro knows its a short outing and can air it out, a-la '99 ASG.

48. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:45 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

49. GregD posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:49 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

For me the tricky part of figuring out Rivera is that the variance in relievers' year-to-year performance means:

1) there are a reasonable number of people, including 1-2 sitting beside him, who might match his numbers this year

but

2) no one except him has been able to keep it up for many years

If you had perfect insight, you could find a reliever having as good a year as Rivera almost every year. But the next year, that reliever might be atrocious and Rivera would be Rivera. The variances among relievers' seasons year to year are so large that I don't know how you really account for that exceptional consistency.

50. Random Transaction Generator posted on March 07, 2013 at 04:53 PM # hit 0 | hit 0

Ask the 1993 Phillies, 1997 Indians, 2002 Giants, and the 2011 Rangers if they'd have liked vintage Rivera as their closer...

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