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jyjjy: Look, if you are determined to compare relievers against starters in terms of total value (both quality and quantity), what matters is the baseline we are measuring these guys against.
B-Ref's WAR puts Rivera at 52.7, basically interchangeable with such near-contemporaries as Robin Ventura, Jeff Kent, Tim Hudson, and Will Clark.
Yes, his rate stat was higher. We agree on that point. But that doesn't mean he was better.
Do you not understand the concept of rate stats?
It means he was better on average at preventing the other team from scoring. This is sorta the goal of pitching. He was better at pitching on average for his career. Unless I'm vastly misinterpreting Tango the reliever advantage does not come close to making this incorrect in the case of Rivera vs anyone who has pitched.
None of GuyM's disdain for the NYY future HOFers made that press conference any less bittersweet. I am sure the farewell tour will fill you with rage all year.
"Blastin," what on earth are you talking about? What "disdain" have I expressed toward Rivera? I doubt you have any idea what I think of Rivera, or (for example) whether I think he belongs in the HOF. So please just speak for yourself, and stop characterizing my views....
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