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They passed on Cano’s inconceivable disregard for playing winning baseball before they even had a chance to change the subject.
I don’t care if Cano hits .350 and 40 home runs, the way he plays the game at its highest, most significant level is impossible to reconcile;
He was not meant for this time.
It really isn't that much to ask a player to bust it down the line.
There's a whole thread going on right now about how much extra value Ichiro added by reaching on errors, and avoiding DPs
He would reach base several extra times a year when the IF bobbles the ball, or double clutches, or the throw pulls the 1B a little off the bag. He would hit into fewer DPs. There's a whole thread going on right now about how much extra value Ichiro added by reaching on errors, and avoiding DPs.
boy it's hard to be too hard on a guy who hits the timeclock regularly for 160 games a year churning out excellence every season
Except it is different in that Cano can fix this any time he wants to. That he doesn't is a knock against him, albeit a small one. That doesn't mean that the overall package isn't still a great player. It's not binary. A guy can be a bit of a loaf, and still a great player.
Any and every 8+ year contract given to someone in his 30's is a mistake, unless you get a major discount on AAV.
Hell, Ruth gets criticism for playing hungover, and he was the best ever.
Right, and if 9 guys in your lineup turn 2 outs each into singles each season, all of a sudden you've got an extra win worth of value, for free.
Different thread :-)
Just saying he'd be a little bit better if he did, and it's hard to get the other 13 guys to hustle as much if your star doesn't.
There is a little form over substance here. It might affect 5-10 plays a year (?) and if it could be quantified, if you could prove that it kept him fresher, you'd have to agree that it's worth it.
What were the good 8+ year contracts to guys in their 30's?
He might pull a hammy running wind sprints in practice
Is there any evidence that players that hustle get hurt more?
I think it would be very easy to say "OK, hit like Robby and play that kind of defense, and I won't freak out on you if you jog to first occasionally."
This is obviously bad advice, right?
A) Is it supposed to motivate the other players to get as good as Cano, so that they don't have to run out every ground ball? A1, that makes no sense as a goal that either the player or the team should want, A2, they can't become as good as Cano even if they want to.
B) Do we have any reason to believe that this is in fact something Cano does consciously to preserve himself? If you asked him, would he say that? If it's true, I don't see why he wouldn't, since it'd be quite logical.
OK, but they didn't. If you pick with perfect hindsight, yeah, you can find a few. But, none of the actual *-10 year deals, where the player was >30, wound up being good for the team.
The only good very long term deal I can think of is the one ARod signed at 25. If Trout and Harper reach FA at 25-26, they may well be wroth the risk of a 10 year deal.
If Randy Johnson had signed an 8-year deal between the ages of 30-33, it would have been a good deal for the team. Ditto Bonds for 30-32. Edgar had 8 good consecutive seasons in his 30's. It's rare, but for a few guys it would have made sense
How many "actual" 10-year deals have there been to choose from?
Anyone who has ever managed anyone else would tell you that one of the keys is to understand that each person is different, is motivated differently and responds to all sorts of things differently.
Not a damn thing. He doesn't loaf on close plays.
There's no way to identify a lot of close plays out of the box. By the time the fielder bobbles the ball, or has trouble getting the ball out of the glove, or makes a slightly errant throw, it's too late to speed up.
Why can Jeter always run hard?
And it's surely worth noting that almost all top sprinters spend a lot of time battling injuries. Running flat out is hard on the body.
More in the field than on the base path though.
If [Nix] is bold enough to ask me, I would tell him that I treat people differently, that I value his hustle and ability to play the game "right" in a way that I don't with Cano.
So would Cano be better if he adopted a Jeterian 80% run for routine plays? Tough to say; Cano is much slower than Jeter, and his 80% might not be fast enough to add any benefit, or at least any benefits that outweight the slightly higher risk of injury. Especially since nobody's ever really quantified how many runs Cano has lost by virtue of his lack of hustle.
I haven't seen the following question posed: Which players from baseball history would you select for your imaginary team if you had to sign them all to 20-year contracts? You can sign them at any age, but they are on your roster for 20 years, with no replacements. What is the best team you can construct under those constraints?
Which players from baseball history would you select for your imaginary team if you had to sign them all to 20-year contracts? You can sign them at any age, but they are on your roster for 20 years, with no replacements. What is the best team you can construct under those constraints?
3b: George brett
If I were a manager I'd instruct my players not to go all out on routine grounders to the infield. How silly.
In fact, it's usually a fallacy to think that any established player can get better by taking a few simple measures. It's just that the great ones are visibly out there where very few men have gone before.
if you had a young guy who was nonchalant about running out grounders and informed you that that's OK because he's a .280 hitter, you should tell him that there are .290 hitters all set to run him out of a job if he doesn't reconsider his tactical doctrine.
Always run hard. You never know.
It's tough to believe that criticizing NYC sports media is a full-time job.
It's not just hits, it's bases. Cano's lost several bases and, pace Mushnick, the YES guys called him on most of them. And he generally loafs, as anyone who goes to the games can see.
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