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Tuesday, December 08, 2015

THE BEST MLB TEAM $30 MILLION CAN BUY

For context, that would be less than half of the lowest team payroll from last season. But since this is just for fun, any player from any club is up for grabs. The only rule is that their 2016 salaries must add up to less than $30 million. As it turns out, putting together a high-quality roster in this scenario is not terribly difficult, thanks to the great wealth of talented young players in today’s game who have yet to sign their first significant contract.

But before we get to one version of such a team, a couple of quick notes:

1. For all pre-arbitration players who have not signed extensions, $550,000 was used as an approximate salary figure. In 2015, the league minimum was $507,500, and teams typically give players very modest raises each year before arbitration.

2. Projections from MLB Trade Rumors, marked below by asterisks, were used for arbitration-eligible players.

Now, let’s get to it.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 08, 2015 at 05:07 PM | 0 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, money, zack greinke

Monday, December 07, 2015

Setting caution aside, Red Sox went all in for an ace

Pretty good recounting of the negotiation process.

Price’s market was down to five teams. According to a major league source, the Red Sox were the lone AL bidder, while the lefthander received offers from the Giants, Dodgers, Cubs, and Cardinals.

McKinnis approached the Sox with a counterproposal last Monday evening. But based on the state of the bids that day — with the Red Sox at $200 million — it wasn’t clear that Price was going to sign with Boston. Indeed, the pitcher appeared to be leaning toward the Cardinals, who had a $180 million bid on the table and had given the impression that they might be willing to up the ante.

“[St. Louis] was the direction we were going in. They were being quite aggressive with us. They were anxious to move forward,” said McKinnis. “It had nothing to do with liking or disliking the Red Sox. It was more just the courtship by the Cardinals.”

On Tuesday, Casey Close, the representative for Greinke, informed the Sox that the righthander wanted to know if the Sox planned to make a formal offer.

Not yet. Dombrowski demonstrated what one team official characterized as “tunnel vision,” wanting to see if he could bring Plan A to a successful resolution before pivoting if necessary to Plan B.

And so, on Tuesday morning the Red Sox upped their bid to $210 million. As McKinnis and Price discussed the offer, they saw a finish line.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 07, 2015 at 09:40 AM | 6 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, red sox

Saturday, December 05, 2015

Perhaps still leery of aging pitchers, John Henry makes $217 million “exception” for David Price - Sports - providencejournal.com - Providence, RI

It’s a horrible risk. It’s his money, though.

But then John Henry turned serious, his voice reflecting the gravity of the $217 million philosophical pivot he’d made in signing Cy Young Award runner-up David Price to the richest contract in the history of the Red Sox.

“There are exceptions to any rule,” Henry said. “Certainly, this is one of the most exceptional pitchers.”
...
“In this year, at this time, we know that we’re going to be strong going forward,” Henry said. “The one place we really had a need for was at the top of the rotation.”

“Philosophically, we all understand that with certain lengths of contracts, there’s a great deal of risk involved,” Dombrowski said. “If you’re going to go out and sign a legitimate No. 1 starter, you’re going to have to be in a position to give the length of contract that we did. We analyzed it. We took the best risk we possibly can.”

Jim Furtado Posted: December 05, 2015 at 07:57 AM | 14 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, red sox

Thursday, December 03, 2015

red sox - Will David Price be able to handle Boston? Former teammate Jonny Gomes offers what pitcher is up against - WEEI | Rob Bradford

Gomes said this part of the equation will have be part of evolution that Price endures as a member of the Red Sox. But, as the outfielder explained, the 30-year-old has at least shown the ability to adapt throughout what has now been an eight-year big league career.

“He’s the new-age, young, hip player, with the social media and Twitter deal off the field. I don’t do any of it, but it’s just how these guys came up,” Gomes said. “It’s what they know. It’s their baby. They’re all attached to it. To me, that’s no harm, no foul. But I’m telling you from the day he got called up on September 1 in ‘08, truly every pitch, every inning, every outing, he has improved. That’s really, really hard to do. It’s hard to stay in the big leagues. Not only are you going against the best in the world on the other side, you have the best in the world with hitting coaches and pitching coaches. Then you have anywhere between five and 15 guys with pen and paper trying to figure out how to get you out. It’s not talent on talent, by any means. So to watch this guy improve, add pitches to his repertoire, not take a step back, is extremely impressive and rare.

“Since the report came out he was coming to Boston, I’m sure his followers even went more sky high. Anything you do every single day, whether it’s your craft, whether it’s parenting, being a boyfriend or husband, you’re going to make mistakes. How big a mistake is it going to be? Can you fix it? And can you be accountable for it?”

Jim Furtado Posted: December 03, 2015 at 09:32 AM | 21 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, jonny gomes, red sox

David Price is not overpaid | For The Win

Simply put, teams just have way, way more money to throw around now than they ever did before. Every single year, it seems, we’re stunned by how much money clubs are willing to shell out for the biggest names on the open market. The idea of paying an older version of David Price $31 million a year from 2019-2022 sounds ridiculous to us now, but that’s only because we haven’t yet seen the contracts his colleagues will sign between now and then. If Price stays healthy for the next three seasons, there’s a reasonable chance he, too, will opt out of the final years of his deal for an even bigger free-agent windfall.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 03, 2015 at 09:27 AM | 0 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, red sox

Did losing Anthopoulos cost Jays shot at re-signing Price, too?

The Price was wrong for Toronto.

Would the Toronto Blue Jays have signed David Price if Alex Anthopoulos were still making the team’s baseball decisions?

We can’t say it’s terribly likely, because it’s difficult to imagine the Jays matching Boston’s winning bid of $217 million over seven years.

But this much is known: Toronto would have offered Price a contract.

Sources say Anthopoulos began laying the groundwork to do so in August, before Mark Shapiro was named the team’s new president and CEO. Price, sources say, had genuine interest in returning to Toronto.

Ultimately, Anthopoulos rejected a five-year offer to remain the team’s general manager once it became clear he would no longer have the decision-making authority he enjoyed under former club president Paul Beeston.

Subsequently, Shapiro opted not to offer Price a contract. Shapiro determined that the team’s rotation dollars should be distributed among multiple starters (Marco Estrada, J.A. Happ and Jesse Chavez) rather than a single ace. Price’s average annual value of $31 million is roughly equivalent to what Estrada, Happ and Chavez will earn in 2016.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 03, 2015 at 08:56 AM | 0 comment(s)
  Beats: alex anthopoulos, blue jays, david price, mark shapiro

Wednesday, December 02, 2015

How did the price tag for elite pitchers get so high? - The Boston Globe

A very interesting take by Alex Speier.

Ultimately, the Red Sox are making a huge commitment, but they’re not simply making that commitment to the best pitcher available – a sometimes less-than-impressive pool – but instead to someone who is unquestionably one of the best pitchers in the game. For such a pitcher, in the aftermath of a second last-place finish in as many years, the team elected to spend, a sign of the staggering resources that have been made available by Red Sox owners to Dombrowski to address the team’s deficiencies.

It’s a deal that guarantees nothing. Starting with Brown’s landmark deal, 11 pitchers prior to Price have set a record for average annual salary. Just two of those pitchers – CC Sabathia in 2009, Barry Zito in 2010 (when he wasn’t part of the postseason rotation) and 2012 – have been on World Series winners.

Some of those record contracts (Mike Hampton, Johan Santana) were greeted with considerable fanfare and concluded as franchise-derailing albatrosses. The Red Sox understand that history. They were willing to bet on Price as an outlier.

That willingness suggests that the Red Sox are operating from a different vantage point than they were when they seemed almost relieved at times that they didn’t re-sign lefthander Jon Lester to a contract that might have represented around half of what the team is committing to Price. But by all indications, they can afford this risk.

The Red Sox have crossed a momentous contractual threshold. It will be years before the wisdom and success of the deal can be judged.

But despite the sticker shock that inevitably greets a record contract, it seems fair to suggest that the Sox’ first foray into a nine-figure commitment for a pitcher won’t remain the pitching gold standard forever, or even for the life of his contract. The game, as Colletti noted, continues to move forward.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 02, 2015 at 11:07 AM | 25 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, free agency, red sox

The Value of the Opt-Out Clause in the David Price Contract | FanGraphs Baseball

Good stuff from Eno Sarris. Be sure to click-though and look at Sky Kalkman’s and Dave Studeman’s stuff.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 02, 2015 at 10:51 AM | 12 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, red sox

Will David Price live up to the value of his contract?

Data worth considering.

Although it’s rare to see a pitcher dominate in his late 30s, it’s certainly not unheard of. But what was hard for so many of these players wasn’t remaining relevant in “old age.” It was sticking around at all.

Star pitchers are rare, and given their ability to significantly impact their teams, they’ve become highly demanded—and thus highly compensated. If Price is able to avoid injury and stay around the big leagues for another decade or so, it’s not crazy to think he’s worth the eye-popping numbers found in his contract. However, even star pitchers tend to gradually regress and drop out of baseball altogether by the time they’ve hit their mid-to-late-30s. What may end up determining whether Price lives up to his salary figures is whether he’s able to actually play all the way through the seven-year contract.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 02, 2015 at 08:55 AM | 3 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, red sox, sabermetrics

Tuesday, December 01, 2015

Red Sox Reportedly Agree To Deal With David Price For 7 Years, $217 Million

The Boston Red Sox have found their ace.

The team has reportedly reached an agreement with free agent pitcher David Price on a seven-year, $217-million deal according to Peter Abraham of The Boston Globe.

Price will fit in nicely at the front of Boston’s rotation, a void that plagued the team during the 2015 season.

Price is coming off an impressive 2015 campaign where he went 18-5 with an AL-leading 2.45 ERA in 32 starts for the Detroit Tigers and Toronto Blue Jays. After being traded to Toronto at the trade deadline, the lefty ace went 9-1 with a 2.30 ERA and 1.009 WHIP in 11 starts down the stretch the help the Jays win the AL East.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 01, 2015 at 05:10 PM | 187 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, red sox

Sunday, November 29, 2015

Bidding for David Price could reach 7 years, $210 million - The Boston Globe

Seven years? I’d rather see some other team make that mistake.

The bidding should reach the seven-year, $210 million range and likely include the Blue Jays, Cardinals, Cubs, Giants, and Dodgers. But other teams on the periphery could become engaged, such as the Nationals, Angels, Rangers, and Astros.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 29, 2015 at 09:52 AM | 20 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, notes, red sox

Saturday, November 28, 2015

David Price would be right move for Red Sox - The Boston Globe

It will be interesting to ultimately add up the cost of letting Jon Lester go.

The Red Sox botched up their negotiations with Lester in during spring training of 2014, making an initial offer of $70 million that was roughly $40 million short of what it should have been. Talks broke down and Lester was traded in July.

The Sox went downhill, Lester was traded for Yoenis Cespedes and that ultimately became Rick Porcello. Ben Cherington was ousted as GM and Dombrowski was hired.

Think about it. If the Sox had simply signed Lester for, say, $125 million, they would have saved Porcello’s contract ($82.5 million), whatever they’re paying Dombrowski (which, at a minimum, is probably $20 million) and whatever they pay for an ace in free agency, which could be $200 million.

In the end, not signing Lester could cost three times what signing him would have.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 28, 2015 at 09:40 AM | 7 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, notes, red sox

Thursday, November 19, 2015


Friday, October 23, 2015

Toronto’s continued misuse of David Price puts the ace in a difficult ALCS position - Yahoo Sports

I didn’t agree with his use in that game either. Although it’s true that they needed to win that game, it’s also true they need to win all the other games as well. So, using your best starter in relief with a six run lead isn’t the best use of your ace. The best thing Price can do for Gibbons is a dominant performance today.

Instead, the continued misuse of Price stood front and center as the series shifted back to Kansas City. There was Price, again, in a repeat of the division series, when Blue Jays manager John Gibbons inexplicably used him in relief during a game Toronto led by six runs. Price never got into Game 5 on Wednesday, spared by Kansas City’s inability to create a scenario that would have goaded Gibbons into deploying him again. It got close enough that Price started getting loose in the bullpen, even as Toronto led 5-0, as setup man Aaron Sanchez and closer Roberto Osuna loomed with fresh arms, as using Price would’ve meant going to Marcus Stroman in Game 6 on short rest and using someone else – Price? R.A. Dickey? Cliff Pennington? – in Game 7 on even shorter rest.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 23, 2015 at 07:05 AM | 12 comment(s)
  Beats: blue jays, david price, playoffs, royals

Sunday, October 18, 2015

Toronto Blue Jays ace David Price fails to exorcize playoff demons after seventh-inning explosion from Kansas City Royals | National Post

When is a good time to give up hits?

That was the pitcher’s version of events. “I just gave up hits at the wrong time,” Price said after the game. He said he still felt good, but that the Royals kept battling. Asked if it was frustrating to struggle in the seventh when he has sailed through six, Price gave one of his few pointed answers: “It’s frustrating, but I didn’t struggle.”

Jim Furtado Posted: October 18, 2015 at 10:55 AM | 17 comment(s)
  Beats: blue jays, david price, royals

Tuesday, September 22, 2015

Peter Gammons: Red Sox could use an “Alpha Dog” to fill top of rotation - GammonsDaily.com

There is a long way to go in all this. Dombrowski may try to move some of the money owed Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval, which may not be simple propositions. Ownership may want to restrict pitching contracts. They may look at the fact that four of the top pitchers in WAR are Jake Arrieta, Dallas Keuchel, John Lackey (the ask-out fallout from the Lester offer) and Chris Archer; the work put in the last two months in developing and finding pitchers has been tireless and creative.

Alpha dogs cannot be found at a breeder. Not that easy.

Jim Furtado Posted: September 22, 2015 at 10:13 AM | 4 comment(s)
  Beats: david price, free agents, johnny cueto, pitching, red sox, zach greinke

Monday, September 14, 2015

10 Degrees: Why Yoenis Cespedes may not come back to New York

Great timing for Cespedes.

Six weeks ago, a nine-figure deal seemed optimistic, according to two GMs, two personnel men and two agents surveyed recently by Yahoo Sports. The six now believe discussions with the soon-to-be-30-year-old Cespedes will begin at $125 million and end up perhaps in the $160 million range, a staggering figure for someone who the last two seasons posted on-base percentages of .294 and .301. Baseball, like so many other avenues in life, cannot help but fall into the recency-bias trap.


Monday, August 24, 2015

From field to front office, many believe chemistry still matters in baseball

Sure, numbers are fine for fantasy leagues, but if you want to truly define a player’s value, or recognize the importance significance of clubhouse culture, it’s time to wake up and embrace character, too.

“I think we’re losing part of our game because so many of these people in charge don’t have the scouting background or playing background,’’ Peavy said. “All they have is a great education and they’re really good at math. Some of these front offices crunch all of these numbers, and think they’ve got it all figured out.

“I don’t know the formula for winning, but I do know what it means when teams are inseparable, enjoy their time together, care for each other, and play for the higher cause. I’ve seen it. I’ve been part of it.

“You can have all of the education you want, and break down every number you want, but unless you get to know what’s inside a player, you really don’t know the player.’’...

“We had our Moneyball movie, and they didn’t even win,’’ Peavy said of the Oakland Athletics. “How about let’s make a movie about the good ol’ fashioned baseball people, and how they judge team chemistry, and put together guys that fit in.

“How about a movie about a team that actually wins in the end?’’

 


 

 

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