Pete Rose Newsbeat
Tuesday, March 24, 2015
Mike Schmidt and Paul Molitor watched an exhibition game Monday from opposite dugouts here at the Philadelphia Phillies’ spring training camp. Historically, they belong to the same team, as Hall of Famers with plaques in Cooperstown, N.Y. But on an issue that divides so many in baseball, Schmidt and Molitor disagree.
Pete Rose, the career hits leader, has applied for reinstatement to Major League Baseball, which barred him for life in 1989 for gambling on games played by the Cincinnati Reds, the team he was managing. Rose’s request will be reviewed by the new commissioner, Rob Manfred, who succeeded Bud Selig in January.
Selig never ruled on the Rose case, effectively upholding the agreement Rose had signed under Commissioner Bart Giamatti, who died of a heart attack eight days later. Fay Vincent, who served between Giamatti and Selig, believes Manfred will not bring Rose back.
“I really don’t think it’s very difficult at all, and I don’t think Manfred is going to think of it as very difficult,” Vincent said in a telephone interview. “He’s going to think of it only in baseball terms.”
Monday, March 23, 2015
Pete’s real crime? That haircut.
It was fairly common knowledge back then that Giamatti was open to a suspension for Rose if the Reds manager would admit to gambling on baseball and enter treatment for his gambling addiction.
Yet, according to Dowd, it went further than that. Dowd now says he and Giamatti worked with federal prosecutors and even the FBI to work out a deal that any pending charges for tax evasion against Rose would be dropped if he came clean.
In addition, FBI agents worked behind the scenes to ensure that Rose’s gambling debts with the New Jersey loan sharks and bookies that numbered in the hundreds of thousands would be forgiven, Dowd now says.
Got all that? If you believe Dowd, Rose’s real crime wasn’t the gambling; it’s that he wouldn’t accept a plea bargain.
Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways. You cannot, as an investigator or Commissioner or whomever, argue that a crime is so terrible that the ultimate punishment is absolutely necessary, then argue in the next breath that simply admitting the crime would justify a significantly lesser punishment.
Thursday, March 19, 2015
So how long ago did Rob make up his mind about Rose?
We’ve had this discussion many, many times here on the site. Nothing has changed about the situation.
Pete Rose, like every other player for years and years and years, knew that betting on baseball would make him “permanently ineligible”. How did he know? This is posted in EVERY clubhouse, “Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.” Notice it doesn’t say, “If you are a great player who should be in the Hall of Fame, don’t worry, we will make an exception for you somewhere down the line.” So, despite Rob’s attempts to make this more complicated than it really is, the issue is quite simple…Pete Rose bet on his team, was caught, and agreed *in writing* to be permanently ineligible.
I find that most people made up their minds about Rose and his situation a long time ago, and they’re not changing. But there might yet be some people out there who haven’t thought real hard about this, and might be open to a real discussion. So let’s have the beginning of that conversation right now.
Posted: March 19, 2015 at 08:17 PM | 110 comment(s)
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Monday, March 16, 2015
No, baseball doesn’t need it. He violated baseball biggest rule. He *agreed* to a lifetime ban. His time is not done. That doesn’t mean he can’t counsel others not to make the same mistake. It doesn’t mean that he can’t do good. It means he can’t do it as part of Major League Baseball.
If we are a forgiving nation, is 25 years not enough punishment? Rose finally seems sincere. With the All-Star game coming up in Cincinnati, what a major moment for Major League Baseball if Rose is back in its good graces.
Baseball needs it.
He’s done the time.
He has to meet with Manfred and apologize for what he did. He needs to devote the rest of his life to counseling players on doing the right thing. And the one thing that also needs to be emphasized is that gambling is a disease, an addiction in its own right. It was one that led him to a lot of bad decisions. But the all-time hits leader was a great player. He did a lot of great things on the baseball field, including being a role model for thousands for the signature hustle that earned him the nickname Charlie Hustle.
Posted: March 16, 2015 at 09:59 PM | 56 comment(s)
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What are the odds?
Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred says he has received a formal request from Pete Rose asking that his lifetime ban be lifted and that he will consider the all-time hits leader’s request “on its merits.”
“I want to make sure I understand all of the details of the Dowd Report and Commissioner [Bart] Giamatti’s decision and the agreement that was ultimately reached,” Manfred said after a meeting with Los Angeles Dodgers players in Arizona on Monday morning. “I want to hear what Pete has to say, and I’ll make a decision once I’ve done that.”
Rose’s previous efforts to gain leniency from commissioners Fay Vincent and Bud Selig were never considered.
Thursday, March 05, 2015
Sunday, January 11, 2015
Rose knew the consequences of his gambling should he get caught. He got caught.
More than 25 years have passed since Pete Rose was banned from baseball by commissioner Bart Giamatti for betting on baseball games.
The all-time hits leader never got on the Hall of Fame ballot.
I’ve always agreed with Giamatti’s decision of the lifetime ban, and with his decision to allow Rose to apply for reinstatement at some point. After all, gambling on baseball games while you’re uniformed personnel is an egregious offense, compromising the game’s integrity. For those reasons, Bud Selig was right not to have allowed Rose to be relevant in baseball.
But after 25 years, at age 73, has Rose paid for his crime? Granted, it took some 15 years for him to admit to betting on games.
Friday, January 02, 2015
Which executives, managers and players will drive the MLB narrative in the coming season? Here’s a look at the 15 most interesting people in baseball heading into 2015:
1. Rob Manfred
After an extended run as Bud Selig’s most trusted aide, Manfred takes center stage in late January as baseball’s 10th commissioner. He’ll try to maintain the momentum that has made baseball a $9 billion industry while setting an agenda on pace of play, changes in the draft and free-agent compensation system, and MLB’s efforts to reach out to a younger fan base. Manfred also needs to connect with Tony Clark and the players’ association while navigating the usual array of ownership labor hawks and doves in negotiations toward a new collective bargaining agreement in 2016.
2. Alex Rodriguez
Where do we start? A-Rod, who missed the entire 2014 season with a drug suspension, turns 40 in July. He’s six homers shy of tying Willie Mays’ total of 660 and collecting a $6 million bonus on top of the $61 million the Yankees already owe him. But the Yankees just signed third baseman Chase Headley to a four-year deal—yet another sign that they want Rodriguez to go away. Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter were universally revered at the end of their runs in the Bronx. The reception won’t be quite as fawning when the most polarizing figure in baseball reports to Steinbrenner Field for duty in February.
They don’t always drink beer. But when they do, its Dos Equis. Wait, is that a centaur joke?
Posted: January 02, 2015 at 09:59 AM | 14 comment(s)
Thursday, October 16, 2014
Baseball Rule 21
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.
Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
He admitted to violating the rule. A rule that is posted in every clubhouse.
Posted: October 16, 2014 at 05:21 PM | 10 comment(s)
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