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Wednesday, July 18, 2018

10 Years Ago, Two Trades Broke The Mold For MLB Deadline Deals

This summer marks the 10th anniversary of not one but two exceptions. In July 2008, CC Sabathia went from the Cleveland Indians to the Milwaukee Brewers and Manny Ramirez from the Boston Red Sox to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Both teams needed help to reach the playoffs; both teams got it, and then some. Over the second half of what became a riotously entertaining season, Sabathia and Ramirez laid waste to the National League, vaulted up its leaderboards, and—briefly, gloriously—put a dent in the notion that, in baseball, one player just can’t do the whole damn thing himself.

Well-written article about a couple of big ‘08 trades.

Nasty Nate Posted: July 18, 2018 at 09:25 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 18, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5711976)
Manny's "bobbleslam" didn't happen in 2008, but the season afterward. And it remains one of my greatest moments in Dodger fandom. The man had a knack for the moment.
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: July 18, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5711984)
It was the start of a rather eventful 15 months for Sabathia.
   3. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 18, 2018 at 02:02 PM (#5712039)
Manny finished 4th on the MVP vote off of 53 games.

Sabathia finished 5th in the Cy Young, and 6th in the MVP voting (!) off of 17 starts.
   4. Batman Posted: July 18, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5712049)
Sabathia finished 2008 tied for the NL lead (3) and the AL lead (2) in shutouts.
   5. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 18, 2018 at 02:36 PM (#5712068)
Sabathia was flippin' amazing that year. He was everything you could hope for from a mid-season trade. He had a legit case for Cy Young but for it being spread across both leagues. 10 complete games! 5 shutouts! And it didn't seem to slow him down after that, his next four years he averaged 226 IP with a 135 ERA+.
   6. Tim M Posted: July 18, 2018 at 04:10 PM (#5712141)
Sabathia finished 2008 tied for the NL lead (3) and the AL lead (2) in shutouts.


Wow.. do you get double black/grey ink points for that?
   7. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 18, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5712148)
Sabathia finished 2008 tied for the NL lead (3) and the AL lead (2) in shutouts.


In 1968, Bob Gibson threw 5 shutouts....








in June
   8. Batman Posted: July 18, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5712165)
In 1968, Bob Gibson threw 5 shutouts....

in June
Hershiser had five in September 1988 and would have had a sixth if the Dodgers had scored in the first ten innings. He only had two the next month.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 18, 2018 at 04:56 PM (#5712170)
In 1968, Bob Gibson threw 5 shutouts....

in June


Yeah, but I think the average SP had 2 or 3 SHO a month in 1968.
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 18, 2018 at 05:19 PM (#5712185)
Yeah, but I think the average SP had 2 or 3 SHO a month in 1968.


Only Gibson averaged as many as 2/month, with 13 for the season. Second highest was 9, and only 12 pitchers averaged as many as 1/month.
   11. Batman Posted: July 18, 2018 at 05:28 PM (#5712189)
Drysdale had eight that year. During his streak, he had five in May and a sixth in his first start in June, so he had six SHO in a 22-day span.
   12. bfan Posted: July 18, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5712211)
In 1968, Bob Gibson threw 5 shutouts....
in June


1968: all the strike-outs of today, with none of the HRs
   13. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 18, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5712214)
1968: all the strike-outs of today, with none of the HRs


The average team had 1063 K's. Last year it was 1337. The lowest team total (batting) last year was 1087, more than the average team in 1968, and higher than all but two 1968 teams.
   14. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 18, 2018 at 06:34 PM (#5712223)
1968: all the strike-outs of today

This is not even close to true (I realize you weren't going for literal accuracy). The 1968 NL strikeout rate was 15.6% of plate appearances; in 2017, it was 21.9% (for hitters - interleague play might make the pitching rate a little different). The least K-prone team in the NL last year (the Braves, 19.0%) would have had the second-highest K-rate in the 1968 NL. (Using the NL here because of pitchers hitting.)

Actually, just for fun, here's the NL in 1968 vs. 2017 in rate stats.

2017 has more than double the home runs (3.2% to 1.5%), significantly more doubles (4.5 to 3.3), more walks (8.7 to 7.0, despite the IBB rate being notably lower). The BABIP was also a lot higher, .302 to .277. 1968 had more singles (16.6 to 14.4), but not much else; more sac bunts (1.3 to 0.7) and more ROE (1.3 to 0.8). 2017, of course, had more strikeouts, which means 1968 had VASTLY more balls in play (73.9 to 64.6).

So, to get from 2017 to 1968, you take half the home runs, 30% of the strikeouts, and 20% of the walks, and turn them into balls in play. Despite having more balls in play, you still get far fewer doubles (the 2B/BIP rate was 7% in '17, 4.4% in '68); you do, however, get more singles, and a few extra errors... and a lot of groundouts to shortstop.
   15. ajnrules Posted: July 19, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5712491)
Sabathia's post-trade performance 2008 reminded me a lot of Randy Johnson's 10-years before that. (Can't believe it's been 20 years since then.)

CC Sabathia 2008: 11-2, 1.65 ERA (255 ERA+), 130.67 innings, 128 strikeouts (25.8% K-rate), 3 shutouts 4.9 bWAR
Randy Johnson 1998: 10-1, 1.29 ERA (322 ERA+), 84.33 innings, 116 strikeouts (35.2% K-rate), 4 shutouts, 4.3 bWAR

CC had more bWAR from having six more starts than the Big Unit did, but Randy dominated in most of the other categories. I wonder which traded starter is going to go on a rampage this year, maybe Cole Hamels?
   16. Zonk is Just the Right Amount of Wrought Posted: July 19, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5712505)
Manny finished 4th on the MVP vote off of 53 games.


Cub fans are still awaiting the vacating of the Dodger's 2008 NLDS win... time is running short to replay the 2008 playoffs, lots of those guys are aging and Big Z could always spontaneously combust at any moment.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: July 19, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5712612)
In 1966, Larry Jaster threw 5 shutouts








against the NL pennant-winning Dodgers, in the midst of an 11-5 season at age 22 and a 35-33 career. Jaster allowed the Dodgers just 24 hits - all singles.
   18. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 19, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5712947)
His starts at Miller Park were a blast. Raucous crowds. Kind of got screwed out of a no-no in Pitt, arguably. Of course it was a dribbler hit to CC. Had some great ABs that run too. I remember the first start vs the Rockies fairly well. Braun homered in the bottom 1st, 3run and crowd didn't let up much. I think CC only went 6. Wuss.

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