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1. Tricky Dick Posted: January 21, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4351709)Please note, there are two errors in the piece I correct in the comments section (I confused Ken Singleton w/ Al Bumbry when talking stolen bases, and 1935 was the last pair of player-managers in the World Series, not the youngest ever pair of World Series skippers).
The same farm system which began its decline roughly around the time Earl walked away the second time. He got out just in the nick of time.
agree--there are some astonishing factoids in there.
The fact that the O's led MLB in most BB's and fewest errors from 69-82 is not surprising, but the EXTENT to which they were ahead of everyone else is amazing.
also this (given the caveats regarding the shortcomings of dWAR):
(emphasis mine)
He retired at a relatively young age because, as Boswell has pointed out, the job burned him out. Unlike John Madden, he didn't broadcast for very long and he stayed out of the public eye. My wife can attest to the many times I've unreasonably exploded over posters on the internet or sportscasters saying,"the late Earl Weaver" or "Earl Weaver would be turning in his grave". I guess most people just assumed that since he was retired for so long, he must be dead.
Great article. As a fan of the Orioles teams that Singleton and Bumbry played on, I did find this comment pretty hilarious. Singleton and Bumbry were pretty much polar opposites on the basepaths.
Or Barack Obama (51).
But some people just _look_ old. Weaver. Sparky Anderson.
in the 70 Series, Sparky was 36, and Weaver had just turned 40, and they both looked like they were in their mid-fifties
His 25th man was often somebody who had very clear strengths and weaknesses. There were a lot of things that (say) Curt Motton couldn't do, but if you need somebody to beat up a non elite left-handed pitcher ...
Take 1970, when Cuellar-McNally-Palmer combined for 119 starts - 40-40-39.
Then Tom Phoebus had 21 starts (plus 6 relief appearances). He had a CG two-hitter on April 9, then pitched only once in the next 20 days (a 1-ER, 8-IP ND). As of May 20, he had a 1.99 ERA - yet had appeared in only SEVEN games to that point. He got his 3rd win on May 9 and his 4th on Sept. 12 in a 5-5 season.
Of the other 22 Orioles games, Jim Hardin had 19 of the starts. After getting only 2 starts (both on doubleheader days) until May 22, he was the No. 4 man in a 4-man rotation more often than Phoebus after that. Hardin also got more relief chances, 17 to Phoebus's 6.
The other 3 starts were all by Marcelino Lopez, two of which came in September as the Orioles won the division by 15 games. Lopez relieved in 22 games as well.
The bullpen was hardly overworked: only Eddie Watt (53) and Pete Richert (50) pitched in 50+ games, and none of that crew hurled more than 62 innings. Dick Hall, Dave Leonhard, and Moe Drabowsky all pitched 21 to 32 games, with Drabowsky returning to Baltimore in mid-June in a trade.
The 12th and final pitcher used the entire season was Fred Beene - 2 July contests and 2 more in Sept. while spending much of the season in AAA.
The Big Three SPs combined for 898.6 IP, while everyone else teamed for 580 IP.
68: 3.4 80
69: 4.1 74
70: 4.2 64
71: 3.9 85
72: 3.5 65
73: 4.3 58
74: 4.1 72
75: 4.3 73
76: 4.0 57
77: 4.5 48
78: 4.2 41
Maybe a little bit but nothing too strong. In 72 and 76, he sac'd less than you might think; in 75 more; and he pretty clearly gave up on it by 78. Also the 74 and 75 numbers in particular are kinda shockingly high -- the DH is in by then so he's not bunting with pitchers anymore. The 72 O's sac'd 65 times, 27 of them by pitchers. So the 73 O's had 20 more bunts by position players (Belanger, Brooks and Rich Coggins leading the way). Even Boog Powell had 4 sac bunts that year! For that to go up the next year, for Powell to have 3 (in just 110 games), Grich 7, Tommy Davis 3 -- looks like absolute small ball madness! From Earl Weaver! Even by 78, his position players were sac'ing a bit more than they had in 72.
That guy doesn't understand the first thing about how to score runs! :-)
Actually, I meant the 1987 bench. 1986 is one of the 20 best ever, though.
The only thing that really stood out for the Weaver orioles was the number of wins, and this article does a great job of explaining how he did it.
Was this a typo or some sort of sarcasm? I don't really think that 43-37 is "stumbling" while 48-34 is an "explosion." That seems a wee bit of an exaggeration, if there isn't a typo.
Sorry, but had to scratch an itch. Fun article.
And then their farms system coughed up Bobby Grich and Don Baylor.
Geez, you should have your childhood taken away, you spoiled brat. [Kidding.]
When I was a kid I liked Eddie Murray because he had eye-popping stats. .300-30-100 was a big deal back then.
Wevaer's teams played 185 doubleheaders during his managerial career. They were 101-84 in the first game, 109-76 in the second game. So it was an advantage but not a large one.
-- MWE
Not a typo. They were a .500ish team - barely better than that - under Bauer. Under Weaver they played like a pennant winner. That's impressive. It's an explosion in my book. As for stubmling, well, that's what Baltimore had done since the '66 title. Some others made the same comment as you at THT so I guess I overstated it, but honestly it looks like a fine statement to you.
I was wondering whether or not it was a bit of oddly placed dry humor.
Have today's benches become too short for Weaverball? It always seems like the Royals' (I know, I know...) benches consist of one utility infielder who can play shortstop, one fourth outfielder, and one backup catcher. Not much space available for platoons, pinch hitters, or defensive specialists.
I think that's pretty obviously the case. Weaver's teams carried 10 or sometimes even 9 pitchers; now 12 or 13 seems to be the norm.
Yes but ut wasn't over the course of the season. You can't just extrapolate two winning percentages out to two full seasons and calculate the delta. You might as well say that 2-0 and 0-2 are 8 games different over the season so whatever happened in between is therefore significant. It is silly.
How many managers have ever come on board in mid-year and made such a huge change to the team in their very first game. This was a good team, a second place team, and Weaver was a kid. But he was in charge, day one.
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