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Wednesday, February 11, 2009

$15M Lawsuit claims ex-Met Roberto Alomar had sex knowing he had AIDS

Baseball great Roberto Alomar has full-blown AIDS but insisted on having unprotected sex, his ex-girlfriend charged Tuesday in a bombshell lawsuit.

The shocking claim was leveled by Ilya Dall, 31, who said she lived with the ex-Met for three years and watched in horror as his health worsened.

In papers filed in state and federal court, Dall said Alomar finally got tested in January 2006 while suffering from a cough, fatigue and shingles. “The test results of him being HIV-positive was given to him and the plaintiff on or about Feb.6, 2006,” the $15 million negligence suit says.

Nine days later, the couple went to see a disease specialist who discovered a mass in the retired second baseman’s chest, the court papers say. Alomar’s skin had turned purple, he was foaming at the mouth and a spinal tap “showed he had full-blown AIDS,” the suit says.

Alomar, 41, who quit baseball over health issues in 2005, could not be reached for comment.

His lawyer, Charles Bach, would not say whether Alomar is HIV-positive. “We believe this is a totally frivolous lawsuit. These allegations are baseless,” Bach said. “He’s healthy and would like to keep his health status private. We’ll do our talking in court.”

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   1. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: February 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM (#3074092)
Geez, it HAS been a weird week for baseball news.
   2. bunyon Posted: February 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM (#3074093)
I would imagine Mr. Hirschbeck loses at least a little sleep here. Almost certainly for no reason, but still.
   3. Russ Posted: February 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM (#3074097)
God, normally I would revel in Bud Selig having a disastrous week, but this is crazy.

I'm guessing that Alomar got it the Magic Johnson way? If he got it from sharing steroid needles, then it could be even more devastating.
   4. 33Boots Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:11 PM (#3074101)
She wants $15 million because of "AIDS phobia"? Wat.
   5. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:11 PM (#3074102)
Alomar, 41, who quit baseball over health issues in 2005, could not be reached for comment.


This seems a little misleading or titillating given the article's subject unless I'm not remembering why he retired correctly. I assumed there was a problem with something like his knee, back, etc. Did he retire because he had an illness?

In any case, I hope this isn't true for Alomar's sake.
   6. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:21 PM (#3074103)
They were saying something about his vision at the time of his retirement. We were thinking it could explain his dropoff in 2003. Full blown AIDS would also be a compelling explanation of his decline in performance.
   7. Martin Hemner Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:23 PM (#3074106)
Apparently, Padres second basemen coming up in the 1980s missed out on the AIDS awareness classes..How coincidental, if true, that the two most prominent baseball players with AIDS played the same position for the same team only a few years apart.

And sad, also.
   8. Russ Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:32 PM (#3074128)
She wants $15 million because of "AIDS phobia"? Wat.


It's more for reckless endangerment. If someone intentionally does something could possibly kill you, I could see room in the civil code for compensation, even if they don't actually manage to kill you.
   9. Leroy Kincaid Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:34 PM (#3074131)
I'm guessing that Alomar got it the Magic Johnson way? If he got it from sharing steroid needles, then it could be even more devastating.

A guy (from Puerto Rico) I used to work with 10-15 years ago would say that Roberto wasn't too popular in his hometown since he supposedly did little for his "community". He also said that Roberto was gay...FWIW...
   10. A.T.F.W. Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:37 PM (#3074134)
If any of this is true, this is very sad for everyone involved. It's a real shame for Alomar that he may have to deal with this in the public eye.
   11. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:51 PM (#3074141)
I remember hearing rumours when Alomar was in Toronto that he was gay. And I could have sworn he appeared as a patron in a gay bar (as an uncredited extra) in some comedy film from around that time period (it was a Jim Carrey movie if I remember correctly).
   12. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:53 PM (#3074142)
I remember hearing rumours when Alomar was in Toronto that he was gay. And I could have sworn he appeared as a patron in a gay bar (as an uncredited extra) in some comedy film from around that time period (it was a Jim Carrey movie if I remember correctly).

Is there any chance the latter led to the former?
   13. Arva Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:54 PM (#3074143)
What does having AIDs have to do with homosexuality? Surely we're past the "AIDs is a gay disease" myth. And last I checked, the person filing suit is a woman.
   14. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: February 11, 2009 at 01:57 PM (#3074145)
Geez, it HAS been a weird week for baseball news.


I'm fully expecting stories about Ted William's spying on behalf of the Nazis and the Communists and Babe Ruth's role in creating the Great Depression.
   15. AROM Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:05 PM (#3074148)
The disease is certainly more prevalent in gay males. To try and pretend otherwise is to ignore reality. It's simply a lot easier for a man to pass the disease on than for a woman to do so. The reasons should be obvious.
   16. Arva Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:13 PM (#3074151)
The person filing suit is a female. WOMAN. Has no penis. And female cases in the US have gone up 2,000 percent since 2006 (HRSA), partially because women don't get tested because:

The disease is certainly more prevalent in gay males. To try and pretend otherwise is to ignore reality. It's simply a lot easier for a man to pass the disease on than for a woman to do so. The reasons should be obvious.


The automatic association of AIDS homosexuality only helps the spread increase. And BBTFers should no better.
   17. Freeballin' (Tales of Met Power) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:14 PM (#3074152)
The disease is more prevalent in gay males. To try to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.
   18. Sandlapper Spike Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:20 PM (#3074155)
Of course, it's also possible that none of this (about Alomar) is true.
   19. Arva Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:26 PM (#3074158)
Yet, more prevalent does not make it exclusive. People who have sex with women are, generally not gay. Mr. Alomar might be bisexual, and have sex with men, but he's not gay, do to the fact that he has sex with women. It's not complicated.
   20. A.T.F.W. Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:26 PM (#3074160)
The disease is more prevalent in gay males. To try to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.


Of course it is, nobody is pretending otherwise. Automatically assuming only gay men can get AIDS is ignoring reality however.

HIV infection was the 5th leading cause of death among all women aged 35–44 years and the 6th leading cause of death among all women aged 25–34 years. The only diseases causing more deaths of women were cancer and heart disease

Link
   21. AJMcCringleberry Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:27 PM (#3074161)
The person filing suit is a female. WOMAN. Has no penis

Clearly you're not visiting the right websites.
   22. Arva Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:28 PM (#3074162)
Thank you tribefan, for saying precisely what I was trying to say, only much, much better.
   23. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:29 PM (#3074163)
AJM FTW!

What I find particularly odd is that if the allegations in the article are true, that means Robbie Alomar intentionally moved to Cleveland after retiring. That's just...weird.
   24. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:30 PM (#3074164)
A difference of a whole 12,000 cases.
Except homosexuals do not make up 50% of the population, so the proportion is much higher.

And it's obvious why: anal sex, which is probably much more common in homosexual male relationships than heterosexual relationships, is much more likely to transmit HIV and AIDS than coitus.

Homosexuals don't get AIDS because they're gay, they get it because they're more likely to engage in a sexual activity that transmits AIDS.
   25. Posada Posse Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:31 PM (#3074166)
A guy (from Puerto Rico) I used to work with 10-15 years ago would say that Roberto wasn't too popular in his hometown since he supposedly did little for his "community". He also said that Roberto was gay...FWIW...


There have been rumors for years in Puerto Rico that he was gay. I remember his romance with tennis player Mary Pierce was ridiculed by common baseball fans as some sort of farce. I'll say that I hope that the guy's health is ok.
   26. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:32 PM (#3074167)
Wasn't the story with the spitting incident supposed to include Hirschbeck calling Alomar a "little faggot" or something along those lines? Not that that would be evidence of anything; just wondering if my recollection has any basis in reality.
   27. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:34 PM (#3074168)
I remember his romance with tennis player Mary Pierce was ridiculed by common baseball fans as some sort of farce.

Are you trying to say that Mary Pierce really is a woman?
   28. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:34 PM (#3074169)
Mary Pierce was pretty damn homely too.
   29. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:35 PM (#3074170)
Before anyone disagrees with me....

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/mary-pierce-2007-pre-wimbledon-party-hosted-by-richard-branson-nYWw01.jpg

http://www.feelosophee.com/img/pierce.jpg
   30. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:40 PM (#3074172)
This thread is going to be a train wreck.
   31. Repoz Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3074173)
I'm keeping my '88 Alomar card...I don't care what Roger Cedeno says!
   32. Dan The Mediocre Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM (#3074174)
This thread is going to be a train wreck.


Going to be?
   33. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:43 PM (#3074176)
Everyone knows that most train wrecks are caused by drunk drivers. Alomar caused this train wreck so he is probably a drunk driver too.
   34. Repoz Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:43 PM (#3074177)
BTW...I think this Alomar story was leaked to take the pressure off the A-Rod story which was leaked to take the pressure off the Torre story which was leaked to take the pressure off the Gehrig story which was leaked to take the pressure off the...
   35. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:44 PM (#3074179)
Before anyone disagrees with me....

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/mary-pierce-2007-pre-wimbledon-party-hosted-by-richard-branson-nYWw01.jpg

http://www.feelosophee.com/img/pierce.jpg


Good God! That second one is worse than any Madeline Albright ever linked here.
   36. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:45 PM (#3074180)
I just have to say it again, Mary Pierce was U-G-L-Y. I'm still a big fan of Alomar though, whether he's straight, gay, HIV+, PED+ or not.
   37. jonm Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:46 PM (#3074181)
If the story is true...Alomar may very well have delayed getting an AIDS test because he saw AIDS as a "gay man's disease" and he self-identified as bisexual or straight.

It certainly would be better if AIDS was understood in terms of sexual behavior rather than in terms of sexual identity, but, given that people seem to like to speculate about who is gay and who is not, that may be wishful thinking.
   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:46 PM (#3074182)
She wants $15 million because of "AIDS phobia"? Wat.

The contention appears to be that Alomar's 3-years of unprotected sex with her while denying his medical condition (despite mounting evidence) left her traumatized, probably interfering with her ability to maintain and enjoy subsequent relationships. Not that much of a stretch, assuming she right on the facts, but asking for damages isn't the same as receiving them, and it's certainly possible any recovery is for a signficantly lower amount.
   39. Lassus Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:47 PM (#3074184)
I just have to say it again, Mary Pierce was U-G-L-Y. I'm still a big fan of Alomar though, whether he's straight, gay, HIV+, PED+ or not.

Printing 2 pictures of a woman to prove a "SHE'S DURN UGLY" argument seems to be the ultimate small sample size argument, coming from this site. Have 500 candid pictures taken of you, Prosimian, and let us know how those two - hell, twenty - worst look.
   40. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:48 PM (#3074186)
So how does this affect Alomar's HOF votes?

Would any writer be stupid enough to claim this modifies his decision to vote for Alomar?
   41. Arva Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:50 PM (#3074188)
So everyone here is cool with the idea of AIDS = Gay? I'm not arguing that fact gay people are more likely to get AIDS either. I don't know if Alomar is gay or straight, though actual evidence points to him being straight. Rather, I find that fact that people at BBTF seem to think that the fifth largest killer of women in the US is almost solely of gay male purview. But hey, whatever.
   42. Dan The Mediocre Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:50 PM (#3074189)
Have 500 candid pictures taken of you, Prosimian, and let us know how those two worst look.


One of those Pierce pictures was at a Wimbledon party where she knew there'd be pictures taken. If you can't look good then, you just don't look good.
   43. kthejoker Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:55 PM (#3074192)
The disease is most prevalent among straight men, if you include Africa.

Just sayin'.
   44. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:56 PM (#3074193)
Arva, I don't think you can generalize like that from the few posts that have argued against you. Honestly, I'm not sure what the current figures for AIDS are or what the demographics are. I just know it's a disease and I don't want it and don't want anyone else to get it and feel compassion for anyone who does. My uncle has been HIV positive for years now. If you want to educate people on the issue, you're going to have to be persistent, but also patient. Don't let frustration get the best of you.
   45. Arva Posted: February 11, 2009 at 02:58 PM (#3074195)
Wise words Shooty. All the extremism on the sight in recent weeks, STERIODS, has gotten to me. I'm thinking of calling it quits here anyway.
   46. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:03 PM (#3074198)
Wise words Shooty. All the extremism on the sight in recent weeks, STERIODS, has gotten to me. I'm thinking of calling it quits here anyway.

It's probably not a bad thing to take a breather from BBTF once in a while.
   47. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:05 PM (#3074201)
Apparently, Padres second basemen coming up in the 1980s missed out on the AIDS awareness classes..How coincidental, if true, that the two most prominent baseball players with AIDS played the same position for the same team only a few years apart.
I've never heard this before; i can't find it. Who are you talking about?
   48. Sexy Lizard Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:06 PM (#3074203)
And it's obvious why: anal sex, which is probably much more common in homosexual male relationships than heterosexual relationships, is much more likely to transmit HIV and AIDS than coitus.


It's more than that. Having sex with anyone who has a penis is more dangerous than having sex with anyone without a penis (because penises go into body parts, obviously). That goes for men and women. This little fact always made me love the argument that AIDS is a curse from God, because it suggests that God wants us all to be lesbians.
   49. RyanMcC Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:06 PM (#3074204)
I've never heard this before; i can't find it. Who are you talking about?

Alan Wiggins.
   50. Sammy's Corked Whine Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:08 PM (#3074209)
Alan Wiggins had AIDS, too, eh?

I note for the record that both he and Alomar are switch-hitters.

Just sayin' is all.
   51. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:10 PM (#3074211)
Geez, you could probably level any bizarre charge at a baseball player this week and people would believe it. Its a bad week for baseball player credibility. Not saying this isn't true or it is true, but you could probably tell me Randy Johnson was behind the holocaust and I just may believe you.

This is way ahead of ourselves, but do you think contraction of HIV would affect one's HOF status? Would it actually help him?
   52. Dan The Mediocre Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:11 PM (#3074212)
Geez, you could probably level any bizarre charge at a baseball player this week and people would believe it.


There's a joke about Albert Belle and Chris Truby that needs more airtime.
   53. OsunaSakata Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:11 PM (#3074213)
Geez, you could probably level any bizarre charge at a baseball player this week and people would believe it.


I heard something about Chris Truby...
   54. The Original SJ Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:12 PM (#3074215)
I think its disgusting the lengths ARod will sink to in order to get off the backpage.

This is just malicious.
   55. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:14 PM (#3074216)
I don't see how the HIV / AIDS itself would hurt, but this if this lawsuit pans out it will. I thought having unprotected sex while being knowingly HIV+ was considered negligence. Isn't there a precedent for that?
   56. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:15 PM (#3074218)
So how does this affect Alomar's HOF votes?

If it is proven (in a general sense, not legally) that he knew he had HIV and kept having unprotected sex, or really any sex with an uninfected person, and hid it from that person, then I think it has a big impact.

That's about as bad as behavior gets without actually killing someone.
   57. Rants Mulliniks Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:15 PM (#3074219)
Lassus - check out the SI cover....

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1993/0823_large.jpg
   58. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:16 PM (#3074220)
Arva, you're a good poster* - stick around/take a break if necessary. Personally, I'm avoiding the steroids bits simply as there's little left to say - there's still plenty of baseball content here.

* That said, like Shooty, I'm not sure how you reached your conclusion (#41) - that's not at all how I'm reading the other posts.
   59. RJ in TO Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:16 PM (#3074221)
This seems a little misleading or titillating given the article's subject unless I'm not remembering why he retired correctly. I assumed there was a problem with something like his knee, back, etc. Did he retire because he had an illness?


After he retired, he claimed that his retirement was due to a sudden decline in his vision. No mention was made of anything else.
   60. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:16 PM (#3074222)
I heard that A-Rod hires illegal immigrants to choke him in the shower.
   61. drdr Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:18 PM (#3074224)
And it's obvious why: anal sex, which is probably much more common in homosexual male relationships than heterosexual relationships, is much more likely to transmit HIV and AIDS than coitus.



It's more than that. Having sex with anyone who has a penis is more dangerous than having sex with anyone without a penis (because penises go into body parts, obviously). That goes for men and women. This little fact always made me love the argument that AIDS is a curse from God, because it suggests that God wants us all to be lesbians.


Basically, AIDS virus is transmitted through bodily fluids, mostly blood. There is theoretical risk of virus being transmitted through saliva while kissing, but I don't think there is single proven case (spitting into eye or at wound / scratch is dangerous). Transmission during the sexual intercourse happens because there are usually slight injuries to sexual organs during the intercourse and seminal/vaginal liquid comes in direct contact with blood. Risk of injuries and their extent is larger during the anal sex. Gay population was (and maybe still is) at increased risk because of larger injuries during sex and because condoms were considered as birth control mechanism and therefore unnecessary.
   62. RJ in TO Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:18 PM (#3074225)
I thought having unprotected sex while being knowingly HIV+ was considered negligence. Isn't there a precedent for that?


I don't know about the US, but there was a recent case in Canada where a CFL player was charged and convicted for knowingly having unprotected sex while HIV positive. I'm not sure, however, if the charge was based on the unprotected sex, or on his decision to not disclose his status to his partners in advance - I believe it was the latter.
   63. RyanMcC Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:22 PM (#3074228)
So everyone here is cool with the idea of AIDS = Gay? I'm not arguing that fact gay people are more likely to get AIDS either. I don't know if Alomar is gay or straight, though actual evidence points to him being straight. Rather, I find that fact that people at BBTF seem to think that the fifth largest killer of women in the US is almost solely of gay male purview. But hey, whatever.

I'm curious: What percentage of AIDS cases are heterosexual males who received it from a heterosexual woman without anal sex or injection of drugs? Probably impossible to determine conclusively, but I'd guess that it's less than one percent. So, yeah, it's really not that big of a stretch to cast aspersions about Alomar's sexuality when you hear this kind of news.
   64. Lassus Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:25 PM (#3074232)
So everyone here is cool with the idea of AIDS = Gay?

Yeah, not even close, but what Shooty said. I'll say something awful otherwise.


It's probably not a bad thing to take a breather from BBTF once in a while.

What kind of man are you? You're worthless and weak. You do nothing. You are nothing. You're sitting here all day playing that sick, disgusting, electric twanger. I carried an M-16 and you carry that, that, that... GUITAR! Who are you? Where do you come from? Are you listening to me? What do you want to do with your life?
   65. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:26 PM (#3074233)
I'm curious: What percentage of AIDS cases are heterosexual males who received it from a heterosexual woman without anal sex or injection of drugs? Probably impossible to determine conclusively, but I'd guess that it's less than one percent. So, yeah, it's really not that big of a stretch to cast aspersions about Alomar's sexuality when you hear this kind of news.

The article states that Alomar revealed to his girlfriend that he was raped by two males when he was 17 years old.
   66. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:27 PM (#3074236)
I'm curious: What percentage of AIDS cases are heterosexual males who received it from a heterosexual woman without anal sex or injection of drugs?

In the US, very low. In Africa, very high (heterosexual that is, we can't really know about particular sex acts). In Africa, AIDS has been spread mostly by promiscuous heterosexual intercourse, especially with prostitutes. I saw a fascinating report on how AIDS in Africa cluster around long distance trucking routes.
   67. RJ in TO Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:29 PM (#3074240)
The article states that Alomar revealed to his girlfriend that he was raped by two males when he was 17 years old.


Wait, we're supposed to read the articles? I thought we were just supposed to read whatever excerpt was posted here, and then start jumping to conclusions.
   68. WillYoung Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:31 PM (#3074245)
The contention appears to be that Alomar's 3-years of unprotected sex with her while denying his medical condition (despite mounting evidence)


And it's obvious why: anal sex, which is probably much more common in homosexual male relationships than heterosexual relationships, is much more likely to transmit HIV and AIDS than coitus.


Trying hard to resist making a joke...
   69. rfloh Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:32 PM (#3074246)

I'm curious: What percentage of AIDS cases are heterosexual males who received it from a heterosexual woman without anal sex or injection of drugs? Probably impossible to determine conclusively, but I'd guess that it's less than one percent. So, yeah, it's really not that big of a stretch to cast aspersions about Alomar's sexuality when you hear this kind of news.


I suggest that you go around having unprotected sex with women in Africa, or maybe Asia. Have fun.
   70. jonm Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:33 PM (#3074250)
The article states that Alomar revealed to his girlfriend that he was raped by two males when he was 17 years old.


Alomar would have turned 17 in 1985. According to the article, he started showing symptoms in 2005. That 20 year gap makes me skeptical that he contracted AIDS from that.
   71. bunyon Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:36 PM (#3074253)
anal sex, which is probably much more common in homosexual male relationships than heterosexual relationships

Damn tootin. Edit: (okay, I couldn't resist, sorry)

The article states that Alomar revealed to his girlfriend that he was raped by two males when he was 17 years old.

Pops RTFA for a big prize. That is horrible, if true. Of course, I know that sort of thing happens even if it wasn't to Alomar, but damn. That could also lead to the rumors of being gay in PR. It's common to "blame" a rape victim and it isn't really any different for a male victim of rape (it is probably worse). So if people knew or heard rumors of his being raped I could easily imagine it leading to rumors that he "wanted it". The whole damned thing gets more and more disturbing.


And this is what is terrible, to me, about the steroid hullabaloo. I want testing and would prefer a fairly clean game. But it is, in the end, not that huge of an issue warranting as much time and ink as everyone (including me and BBTF) has spilled on it. I suppose, though, it's exactly because it's meaningful without being life and death that it is such a rousing topic.
   72. RyanMcC Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:41 PM (#3074259)
I suggest that you go around having unprotected sex with women in Africa, or maybe Asia. Have fun.

Well, that does sound like fun. I'll think on it. Thanks for your suggestion.
   73. Mayor Blomberg Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:47 PM (#3074272)
#66: Thanks, snapper. Glad to see a couple folks on this thread reading the front pages of the paper as well.
   74. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:50 PM (#3074275)
In Africa, AIDS has been spread mostly by promiscuous heterosexual intercourse, especially with prostitutes. I saw a fascinating report on how AIDS in Africa cluster around long distance trucking routes.


The high transmission rate is also directly related to the type of sex that the truckers prefer. Apparently the men prefer the women to have very dry vaginas - which leads to more small internal cuts in the vaginal walls during intercourse. And no condom usage, because the men don't care if the prostitutes get pregnant. It's the same cause for high transmission rates due to anal sex. Higher chance for tiny cuts and tears & no condoms.
   75. gay guy in cut-offs smoking the objective pipe Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:50 PM (#3074277)
It's probably not a bad thing to take a breather from BBTF once in a while.

Ironically, the offseason is really the best time for that.
   76. RJ in TO Posted: February 11, 2009 at 03:50 PM (#3074278)
TASTELESS JOKE ALERT!

In Africa, AIDS has been spread mostly by promiscuous heterosexual intercourse, especially with prostitutes. I saw a fascinating report on how AIDS in Africa cluster around long distance trucking routes.


Given how AIDS is commonly transferred, is "trucking" really the right description for these routes?
   77. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:06 PM (#3074307)
BBTFers should no better
That assumes that we get agressive girls to come down to mom's basement...
   78. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:10 PM (#3074313)
"So everyone here is cool with the idea of AIDS = Gay?"

No.
   79. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:13 PM (#3074319)
Good God! That second one is worse than any Madeline Albright ever linked here.


Was that pic' taken before or after the twister dropped the house on her?

Best Regards

John
   80. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:18 PM (#3074326)
Having now RTFA, the headline is misleading. The lawsuit does not, in fact, allege that Alomar "had sex [or, at least, unprotected sex] knowing he had AIDS". Rather, it alleges that he had symptoms consistent with AIDS and for some years ignored medical advice to get tested. Once he finally did get tested he stopped having unprotected sex with the plaintiff. Not getting tested in the face of evidence that you might have AIDS might be negligent or even reckless, but it's not the same as "knowledge". It's a legally significant distinction, at least in terms of any criminal liability.
   81. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:20 PM (#3074328)
"If it is proven (in a general sense, not legally) that he knew he had HIV and kept having unprotected sex, or really any sex with an uninfected person, and hid it from that person, then I think it has a big impact.

That's about as bad as behavior gets without actually killing someone."


That IS killing someone. They just don't die right away.
   82. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:23 PM (#3074334)
I always thought that the only way you could spread AIDS was through unprotected spitting.
   83. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:27 PM (#3074340)
Not getting tested in the face of evidence that you might have AIDS might be negligent or even reckless, but it's not the same as "knowledge".

Not only that, the plaintiff is arguing that the reasons he should have gotten tested were all readily apparent to her as well. There is a big assumption of risk argument here.
   84. LargeBill Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:32 PM (#3074350)
I thought he retired because pitches he used to rope for doubles became swings and misses.

For Arva and others who are upset about an assumption that a male who contracts this disease may be engaging in gay sex would you feel all that much better if the comment was that he must have been engaging in risky behavior? Whether it is anal sex or sharing needles or whatever else it all comes down to risky behavior. Long before now there have been rumors of Robby being gay. Didn't matter to most of us.

Separately, I'd recommend not getting too wrapped up in mortality statistics such as 5th leading cause of death among all women aged 35–44 years and the 6th leading cause of death among all women aged 25–34 years. Problem with those numbers is the mortality rate for women in those age groups is actually extremely low. Some women do die in those age groups but it is a very low number considering the size of the population group. So saying a particular cause of death is the fifth or sixth largest killer is not all that telling. My guess (educated guess, but still just a guess) is the women who make up those results mostly contract HIV through drug usage rather than through relationships. Baseball fans more than others should understand how statistics can be misread especially when they are a small sample size.
   85. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:33 PM (#3074353)
When someone has had gay rumors swirling around them for at least 15 years, and is then revealed (or at least rumored) to have AIDS, yeah, I think people are going to start to assume he's gay. Maybe this is horribly immoral, but it's simple human nature.

At the same time, I gather that most people around here attach no social or moral opprobrium to being gay, especially people of my generation and younger (I'm 43). If Alomar really is gay, I'm not going to think any worse (or better) of him.

In one sense, I don't care whether he's gay - but I can't deny that it's an interesting fact to have. We get involved with baseball players for far more than their onfield play. I don't think I could turn off my interest-meter at a player's homosexuality any more than I could turn off my interest in Mitch Williams' legendary abilities as a bowler or Roberto Petagine's marrying a woman 20 years older than him. Talking about whether Roberto Alomar is gay is no different, to my mind, than talking about whether Alex Rodriguez slept with Madonna.
   86. bunyon Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:34 PM (#3074354)
Not only that, the plaintiff is arguing that the reasons he should have gotten tested were all readily apparent to her as well. There is a big assumption of risk argument here.

Forget assumption of risk. Why would you have sex with a guy so obviously sick? Forget AIDS. Just in terms of general appearance?
   87. E., Hinske Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:35 PM (#3074356)
The Statement of Claim is up at the Smoking Gun and I'd tend to agree with you. She's kind of got a contradictory pleading in that she's alleging that he told her he had tested negative while at the same time alleging that he refused to be tested.

Interestingly, it appears that the relationship continued for another couple of years thereafter - there's talk in the SoC of her residing with him in various places. If she's really suffered some sort of psychiatric injury, that's very unfortunate but it strikes me as add that her debilitating AIDS phobia didn't prevent her from living with a guy who, on the basis of the pleadings, she knew to have AIDS.

Not to be too cynical, but I suspect that there's a relationship breakup lurking in the background here. If that's what this is really all about, it's a pretty scummy thing to do, whatever Alomar's conduct might have been.
   88. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:36 PM (#3074358)
I don't see what the big deal is. People have just stated the fact that homosexual men are more likely to engage in intercourse that leads to easier AIDS transmission, especially in the United States.

I don't see the bias (at least in this thread) at all. Black people disproportionately have sickle-cell anemia. Ashkenazi Jews disproportionately contract Tay-Sachs disease. Women disproportionately get breast cancer. There's nothing racist or bigoted about simply stating hard facts about a disease - the problem only comes in when people suggest oppressing those people, which nobody has done here.
   89. E., Hinske Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:36 PM (#3074359)
Roberto Petagine is married to a woman 20 years older than him?
   90. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:39 PM (#3074362)
Roberto Petagine is married to a woman 20 years older than him?

No, now that I check, I was wrong. She's 24 years older than him.
   91. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:39 PM (#3074363)
it strikes me as add that her debilitating AIDS phobia didn't prevent her from living with a guy who, on the basis of the pleadings, she knew to have AIDS

I think there is a reasonable argument that she believed she was likely to have AIDS and therefore also believed she would be unwanted by anybody outside of the AIDS-carrying Alomar.

Not to be too cynical, but I suspect that there's a relationship breakup lurking in the background here.

Yes, a fairly recent breakup according to the article.
   92. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:42 PM (#3074367)
For Arva and others who are upset about an assumption that a male who contracts this disease may be engaging in gay sex would you feel all that much better if the comment was that he must have been engaging in risky behavior?


I wouldn't feel much better about that. Why the need to sit in judgment and make assumptions about how someone lives their life? It's comforting to distance one's self from someone by presuming that they did something to deserve the disease, but people's lives are way more complicated and interesting than that.
   93. McCoy Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:43 PM (#3074368)
Should Alomar even be alive right now if has full blown AIDS? It has been at least 3 years since he had "full blown AIDS". If he truly has AIDS he should be dead by now.
   94. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:43 PM (#3074369)
Roberto Petagine is married to a woman 20 years older than him?

Yeah, his best friend's mom.
   95. bunyon Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:47 PM (#3074376)
I wouldn't feel much better about that. Why the need to sit in judgment and make assumptions about how someone lives their life? It's probably comforting to distance one's self from someone by presuming that they did something to deserve the disease, but life is way more complicated and interesting than that.

It's not judgement, it's just a fact. There are risky behaviors for contracting AIDS. Someone may engage in them without "deserving" to get the disease. Well, check that, I don't believe anyone ever "deserves" any medical condition. Take heart disease, if you smoke, eat like crap and don't exercise in your adult life you don't "deserve" a heart attack, but you, and your friends and family, certainly can't be shocked when it happens.

The instant reaction to any statement about risky behaviors (in many settings) seems, to me, to belie a view that doesn't allow for not judging everything.
   96. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:48 PM (#3074378)
Anybody know where Alomar was playing in 1985? Just out of curiosity.

Lots of references to him being signed as an amateur free agent in 1985, but I can't find a list of where he played.

On his web site, in the Flash scroll, there's a brief shot of him with the 1987 Wichita Pilots (Texas League), but I can't find info on his earlier years.
   97. McCoy Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:48 PM (#3074379)
Whoa, according to the documents Alomar was suffering from erectile dysfunction and that he claims he was raped by two mexican men when he was 17 years old.
oh, I see that is old news.
   98. jmurph Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:49 PM (#3074381)
Should Alomar even be alive right now if has full blown AIDS? It has been at least 3 years since he had "full blown AIDS". If he truly has AIDS he should be dead by now.


Good lord man, welcome to the 90s.
   99. McCoy Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:50 PM (#3074382)
Ah good lord man read up on AIDS. IF you haave HIV it can be treated and you can live a long life. If it turns into AIDS you don't live long.
   100. RJ in TO Posted: February 11, 2009 at 04:51 PM (#3074383)
Anybody know where Alomar was playing in 1985? Just out of curiosity.


In 1985, he would have been just turning 17. Most likely, he was in some some of extended training camp, rather than playing in the organized minors.

Or I could just check the Baseball Cube, and find out that he was playing in Charleston, in the South Atlantic League, but that would be the smart thing for me to do.
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