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Thursday, October 27, 2011

2011 World Series Game 6 CHATTER (TAKE TWO!)

Let’s try this again:

Rangers (Lewis) at Cardinals (Garcia). 8:05. FOX.

Rangers lead series 3-2.

Gamingboy Posted: October 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM | 1811 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   401. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:52 AM (#3977742)
Good God, you're not hitting for your pitcher with 2 outs and the bases loaded?
   402. Brian White Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:52 AM (#3977743)
Yeah, this is a really strange place to not pinch hit.
   403. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:52 AM (#3977744)
Just attempted an apology- it didn't take. I need infrared technology to determine her anger level.


If you've got something that's been irritating you tell her now. Your already up #### creek so you may as well just use it to your advantage and have a pre-festivus airing of grievances
   404. PreservedFish Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:52 AM (#3977745)
Insane not to pinch-hit. Totally insane.
   405. JJ1986 Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:52 AM (#3977746)
"Joe, Derek Holland is a starting pitcher"
   406. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3977747)
Not sure why you'd let Lewis hit here.

It's time to stop sugar coating it: Ron Washington is a fool.
   407. Srul Itza Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3977748)
National League style-ball saves the Cards as the pitcher goes meekly.
   408. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3977749)
Okay, I'll join with Ray in griping about Washington now. Cripes.
   409. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3977750)
WHY WAS LEWIS NOT PINCH HIT FOR - I JUST LOST MY #### AT THE PUB WATCHING THAT

EDITED IN WORD LOST - AS IN LOST MY ####### #### AS WASH IS A DUMB ####### IDIOT
   410. Gamingboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3977751)
Checklist:
[X] Conradian Play (ENSEMBLE AWARD)
[X] Posadaesque baserunning
[ ] Dramatic 7th inning HR or later (if walk-off [ ])
[ ] SQUIRREL
[ ] Closeup on a phone
[X] Camera focuses on Nolan Ryan
[ ] Pujols = Awesome
[X] Hamilton = Awesome
[ ] Mention that this might be Pujols last game with Cards
[ ] TLR is TLR
[ ] Wash goes nuts
[ ] Craig vs. Ogando
[ ] It rains
[ ] Ump blows call (if costs game [ ]) (if decides series [ ])
[ ] Mention of Bob Gibson
[X] Mention of Jack Buck (Joe says "We'll see you tomorrow night" or "We'll see you tonight" [ ])
[X] Postseason starter in the bullpen
[ ] FOX celeb
[X] Infra-red
[ ] Prince Fielder's ASG HR
[X] IBB
[X] Napoli works on WS MVP credentials
[ ] CS
[ ] Pitcher gets a hit
[X] Reference to possible Game 7 starters
[ ] Wonder if Holland would start Game 7
[X] Tim is confused
[ ] STL fans are called best in baseball or a similar superlative
[ ] Sherlock Holmes commercial
[X] Reference to the shows that will be pre-empted on Friday if there is a game 7 (FRINGE bug on bottom)
[ ] NFL reference (beyond the usual "NFL on FOX" stuff)
[ ] Mark McGwire
[ ] Mention of other Molina brothers
[ ] "There hasn't been a WS Game 7 since 2002"
[ ] Reference to fact tonight's first pitch thrower, David Eckstein, was in the 2002 WS
[ ] Cardinals second only to Yankees
[ ] "X Outs Away/left"
[ ] Play at the plate
[ ] Adam Wainwright mentioned
[ ] Reminder that Rangers have never won World Series
[X] Reminder that Rangers were originally in Washington
[X] The unexpected happens (I'll get this one out of the way)
[ ] Arthur Rhodes gets a ring no matter what
   411. Sunday silence Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3977752)
check box summary, Ive got a lot of checks


[ ] shattered bat.
[ ] TLR: glasses are off.
[ x] Duncan paces the bullpen.
[ ] Beltran continues to build MVP case
[ xx] Berkman continues to build MVP case
[ ] HBP: batter doesnt move.
[ ] mention of oblique injury;
[ x] IR cam has definitive look; Berkman
[ ] Close up of Hamilton’s groin.
[xx? ] a brand new ANY commercial ; windows 7; phone free at best by? Standuptocncer?
[x ] Outfield miscommunication; runners advance. (4th)
[ ] Squeeze play.
xx ] allowing an “extra out” leads to a run (4th inn; top/bottom)
[ xx] new all time post season record is set. (Pujols IBB g5; Napoli 10 RBIs v Cards
[ ] hit and run play backfires.
[x ] failure to get the man at second on a bunt leads to a run. (4th)
] pinch running pitcher
[x ] injury on the base paths. (4th)
[x ] walks the 8 or 9th hitter. (Murphy)
[ ] sleepy fan
[x ] Halloween reference ; painted guy
[ ] crying fan
   412. PreservedFish Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3977753)
It's time to stop sugar coating it: Ron Washington is a fool.


He's the star of that Moneyball commercial though.
   413. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3977754)
Washington may be a swell guy, but let's tell it like it is: he's not all that bright.
   414. Guapo Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977755)
I hesitate to question Ron Washington but that seemed like the wrong decision.
   415. Gamingboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977756)
It's incredibly hard.
   416. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977757)
Dale

But there was nothing but a late slide.

That is how I umped and the rule(s) interpreted by others as well
   417. Christopher Linden Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977758)
I am struggling to believe Ron Washington could be a World Series champion manager, but here we are.
   418. TomH Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977759)
batting with bases loaded is 4x as impt as batting with bases empty. One (or 2) more IP from Lewis at this point ain't much better than the alternatives. That has GOT to be one of the dumbest moves I've seen in a W.S.
   419. Dale H. Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977760)
[ ] Reminder that Rangers have never won World Series
This one happened earlier, as they mentioned that the franchise has never won one.
   420. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:55 AM (#3977761)
[ X] The unexpected happens

Needs far more than one X.
   421. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977762)
He's in his second straight World Series. He may not be a particularly strong tactical manager but calling him a fool seems like a reach.
   422. Lassus Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977763)
It's the Salvador Dali World Series Extravaganza.
   423. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977764)
Ron Washington's loveable dancing > TLR's d**che baggery

[ ] Close up of Hamilton’s groin.


Is this legal?
   424. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977765)
Imagine if Ron Washington didn't have a quality team that saved him from some of his mistakes.
   425. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977766)
Ron Washington is the shortest midget.
   426. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977767)
He caught it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   427. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977768)
Maybe they were right, it is just an exhibition and it really means nothing.
   428. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:56 AM (#3977769)
Bob Brenly won a ring
   429. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:57 AM (#3977770)
You guys calling this embarrassing evidently didn't watch the 1993 World Series.

All I remember about that series is being asleep when Joe Carter hit his famous home run.

Had I known that this would be the last playoff appearance for the Jays for the next 20 years, I probably would've talked my parents into letting me stay up to watch the end.
   430. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:57 AM (#3977771)
[ X] The unexpected happens

Seems to me if it was on the checklist, it hardly counts as unexpected. Or maybe that's the joke...
   431. Christopher Linden Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:57 AM (#3977772)
Not hitting for Lewis is the dumbest move of a terribly managed Series. But if Lewis gets out of the fifth, Wash will be hailed for it.
   432. cardsfanboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:57 AM (#3977773)
[ ] Beltran continues to build MVP case


????
   433. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:57 AM (#3977774)
Possible both teams are attempting to throw the Series?? 1919 redux!
   434. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3977775)
Bob Brenly won a ring


Seriously. This.
   435. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3977776)
He's in his second straight World Series. He may not be a particularly strong tactical manager but calling him a fool seems like a reach.


He bats his best hitter 8th. He intentionally walks people with nobody on base. He doesn't understand that the goal on offense is to NOT give away outs.

He's a fool, got a good team to manage, and got lucky after that.
   436. Dale H. Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3977777)
Maybe Beltran just got some new woodworking tools.
   437. JJ1986 Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3977778)
Prediction: he's going to take Lewis out if Furcal gets on.
   438. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3977779)
I think Washington is like a lot of managers. He's a really good people manager, knows his players well, which buttons to push, etc. but isn't a great in game-tactician. He's not even a very good one. But, fortunately, for him, he isn't matched against good in-game tacticians very often.

Including tonight.


It must be that finding the two skill sets in the same guy is very difficult. Because the guys I'd say are good in-game tacticians seem to be lousy in dealing with actual people. And vice versa.
   439. cardsfanboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3977780)
some decent defense this inning.
   440. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3977781)
Bats in the Beltre
   441. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3977782)
LaRussa calling for Rzepcynzski here
   442. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 28, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3977783)
GENIUS!
   443. Textbook Editor Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:00 AM (#3977784)
I am struggling to believe Ron Washington could be a World Series champion manager, but here we are.


Bob Brenly says hi and welcomes Ron to the club.

[coke to Harveys]
   444. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:00 AM (#3977785)
TEXTOBER!
   445. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:00 AM (#3977786)
And the silliest part of it is that he cheers on hits as if he's a fan watching on a bar stool.
   446. Dale H. Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977787)
LaRussa calling for Rzepcynzski here
So let's see who actually shows up, then.
   447. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977788)
In comes Motte.
   448. Guapo Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977789)
Maybe Washington remembers Game 6 of the 1981 World Series.



In the bottom of the fourth, Yankee manager Bob Lemon made possibly his most controversial decision of the series. Graig Nettles led off the inning with a double. After Hooton retired the next two batters, he intentionally walked Larry Milbourne to face John (there was no designated hitter in this series). At that moment, Lemon decided to pinch-hit Bobby Murcer out of desperation for offense. As ABC cameras clearly showed, John could not believe the move and paced up and down the Yankee dugout in disbelief. Murcer flied out to end the inning. In his autobiography, "T.J.: My 26 Years in Baseball" (1991), John revealed that before the game, Lemon and team owner George Steinbrenner settled on the following strategy: get the lead early in the game and then protect the lead with the bullpen. John observed that such preconceived strategies, are impractical in baseball because of the sport's many unpredictable variables that come into play during a game.
In the fifth, George Frazier, who relieved John, gave up an RBI single to Ron Cey and a two-run triple to Pedro Guerrero. Frazier would take the loss and become the second pitcher to lose three games in a World Series (the first being Lefty Williams, a member of the Chicago White Sox team that threw the 1919 World Series).
The Yankee bullpen further collapsed in the sixth. Ron Davis issued one-out walks to pitcher Hooton and Davey Lopes. Bill Russell singled home Hooton, then Lopes and Russell pulled a double steal. Davis walked Steve Garvey intentionally, and then gave up an RBI force-out to pinch-hitter Derrel Thomas. After Dusty Baker reached on an error by Nettles, loading the bases again, Guerrero singled in two more runs. Guerrero would cap a five-RBI night, and the Dodgers' World Series win, by blasting a solo home run in the eighth.
   449. esseff Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977790)
Lynn coming in. That mean they're going to IBB the leadoff hitter?
   450. Lassus Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977791)
It's always a shame when cult films get beaten into the dirt.
   451. TomH Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977792)
Besides the non-PH, Holland was warming up. Was this so
a) he considered PHing and changed his mind?
b) a ruse?
How much do you waste by this? Is Holland the guy he wants in next? What if sits down and now can't come in later?
   452. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:01 AM (#3977793)
Mayo Smith won a ring and a lot of his players thought he was slow in the head
   453. PreservedFish Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:02 AM (#3977794)
I will repeat what I said in another thread. Washington seems to be a tactical doof, but it's possible that he is great at the other managerial tasks.
   454. Sunday silence Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:02 AM (#3977795)
[x] offering marital advice to guy you only know from internet (no 403)
   455. Srul Itza Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:02 AM (#3977796)
There, you see -- Wash knew he had a good half inning left in Colby. Why waste it, just for a chance to blow the game open.
   456. Gamingboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:02 AM (#3977797)
Lynn is in.
   457. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:03 AM (#3977798)
As an ode to LaRussa and Washington, MTV has brought back Beavis & Butt-head.
   458. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:03 AM (#3977799)
And the silliest part of it is that he cheers on hits as if he's a fan watching on a bar stool.

Okay, now you're just indicating you don't like him, which renders the rest of your judgement suspect. I'd far rather him cheer than stand there like he's overseeing a burial (the way most managers do).
   459. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:03 AM (#3977800)
I want to kickpunch that woman behind home plate wearing dark sunglasses.
   460. mex4173 Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:03 AM (#3977801)

All I remember about that series is being asleep when Joe Carter hit his famous home run.

Had I known that this would be the last playoff appearance for the Jays for the next 20 years, I probably would've talked my parents into letting me stay up to watch the end.


I have it even worse. I'm too old to say the Jays haven't made the playoffs in my lifetime, but not old enough to remember a damn thing about it.
   461. Guapo Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:04 AM (#3977802)
[x] guy on Internet seriously considers taking advice
   462. Karl from NY Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:04 AM (#3977803)
Because the guys I'd say are good in-game tacticians seem to be lousy in dealing with actual people. And vice versa.

Who might actually fall into this category? Bobby Valentine? Earl Weaver?

Bobby Cox might be the power/speed type leader here, with skills on both sides.
   463. Gamingboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:04 AM (#3977804)
Holliday caught it!
   464. Sunday silence Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:04 AM (#3977805)
I postd correction for Beltre later, but it didnt make my master list. sorry Hey nice catch Holliday!
   465. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:04 AM (#3977806)
You didn't miss anything, mex. It was an awful series in almost every respect.
   466. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:05 AM (#3977807)
I want to kickpunch that woman behind home plate wearing dark sunglasses.

The girlfriend of Corey Hart.

No, not THAT Corey Hart.
   467. Christopher Linden Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:05 AM (#3977808)
I will always enjoy watching Furcal throw a baseball.
   468. shoewizard Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:05 AM (#3977809)
Ron Washington must be doing SOMETHING right in the things that matter the most in his job. He has his team in it's second straight world series, which is hard to do.
   469. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:05 AM (#3977811)
Showalter, Dierker. I can come up with some more names if I think about it.
   470. JJ1986 Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977812)
Who might actually fall into this category? Bobby Valentine? Earl Weaver?


Larry Dierker maybe.

coke to bunyon
   471. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977813)
Because the guys I'd say are good in-game tacticians seem to be lousy in dealing with actual people.


Actual People? As opposed to?

A: Tony Plush.
   472. Gamingboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977814)
NOTE: The fake stuffed rally squirrel on that guy's head doesn't count. Has to be living and breathing.
   473. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977815)
[x] Pujols graduates from the Michael Young School for First Basemen
   474. cardsfanboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977816)
I postd correction for Beltre later, but it didnt make my master list. sorry Hey nice catch Holliday!


I liked posted 436 response to this... made me chuckle a little.
   475. PreservedFish Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977818)
Who might actually fall into this category? Bobby Valentine? Earl Weaver?


Davey Johnson. Billy Martin. These guys might have had more problems with ownership than with their players, though.
   476. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:06 AM (#3977819)
Had I known that this would be the last playoff appearance for the Jays for the next 20 years, I probably would've talked my parents into letting me stay up to watch the end.


It was a Saturday night? I guess my parents ruled, deals were made, there was an understanding that we would get to watch the WS to its end.
   477. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:07 AM (#3977820)
Ron Washington must be doing SOMETHING right in the things that matter the most in his job.

He's the only one who remembers Nolan Ryan's birthday every year.
   478. Guapo Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:08 AM (#3977822)
I just realized this is the 30th World Series I've watched. jeez.
   479. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:09 AM (#3977823)
I have it even worse. I'm too old to say the Jays haven't made the playoffs in my lifetime, but not old enough to remember a damn thing about it.

It was a time of gold and goodness, when the Jays could trade for David Cone and Rickey! and people would complain about their financial advantages. Plus you could get a footlong from the in-stadium McDonalds for (IIRC) $3. I thought it would never end. The Interbrew years pretty much killed my love of baseball, if it wasn't for Ichiro! and my sister, I'm not sure I'd be a baseball fan today.

That being said, being a Jays fan would probably be worse without memories of WAMCO and the championships. I just hope they can scratch their way to competitiveness soon.
   480. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:09 AM (#3977824)
I feel for you guys. I never had to go to bed before a world series game was over.


IT'S THE WORLD ####### SERIES!

Any of you out there with kids better have them up with you right now.
   481. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:09 AM (#3977825)
I have vague memories of '80 WS, oddly I recall watching the NLCS in more detail.
   482. Sunday silence Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:10 AM (#3977826)
Ditto on that mayo Smith thing,he had Lolich bat for himself, down in the 7th inning and down 3-1 in games. Waddaa know Lolich got a hit and they won
   483. Gamingboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3977827)
Albert might be in his final game/free agent etc. [X]
   484. cardsfanboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3977828)
Albert is swinging for a hr on every pitch, not even trying to hit a line drive in the gap.
   485. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3977829)
Any of you out there with kids better have them up with you right now.


I have failed as a father. My boys don't like baseball much. I take them to games, it is on TV often. They just don't like it. Sigh.

EDIT: So they are asleep.
   486. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3977830)
Albert should be heading back to the dugout.

EDIT: then gets called out on a worse one.
   487. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3977831)
I just realized this is the 30th World Series I've watched. jeez.

34.
   488. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3977832)
Any of you out there with kids better have them up with you right now.


11 week old, 2 1/2 year old girls. I don't think so, I'll tell them about the bullpen phone hijinx, it'll be a great story.
   489. Sunday silence Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3977833)
props to the ump behidn the plate, I havent seen any mistakes
   490. cardsfanboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3977834)
Not really sure how either of those would have been a strike, but oh well.
   491. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3977835)
I have vague memories of '80 WS, oddly I recall watching the NLCS in more detail.

Given the fact that the NLCS was one of the best playoff series ever, this is understandable.
   492. PreservedFish Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:12 AM (#3977836)
My boys don't like baseball much. I take them to games, it is on TV often. They just don't like it. Sigh.


What do they like, tea parties with imaginary animals?
   493. salvomania Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:13 AM (#3977837)
What a terrible K call on Pujols----if the better pitch is a ball, how can that pitch, in almost the same location but further from the strike zone, be strike three?????
   494. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:13 AM (#3977838)
Hey, I didn't ask for them to like it Bitter Mouse. Get 'em up and make 'em watch.
   495. Christopher Linden Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:13 AM (#3977839)
33
   496. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:13 AM (#3977840)
Has a high-profile (think: multiple all-star games) player ever been tossed from a World Series game 6 or 7?
   497. Dale H. Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:14 AM (#3977841)
489, the Cards starter got a pitch over 6" outside called for strike three, if Fox' robot is to be believed.
   498. cardsfanboy Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:14 AM (#3977842)
Berkman seems to be the only to be hammering Lewis..j/k, I'll take it.
   499. Lassus Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:14 AM (#3977843)
I love infield hits.

I also love that Berkman is not slow. He moves pretty good.
   500. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 28, 2011 at 02:14 AM (#3977844)
Reading, constant wars in and around my house, normal kid stuff (Pokeman, Magic the Gathering), the younger likes football. Just not baseball.

There are reasons I am Bitter :)
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