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Wednesday, January 17, 2018

2018 Top 10 left-handed pitching prospects

1. MacKenzie Gore, Padres
2. A.J. Puk, Athletics
3. Justus Sheffield, Yankees
4. Luiz Gohara, Braves
5. Brendan McKay, Rays
6. Adrian Morejon, Padres
7. Kolby Allard, Braves
8. Jesus Luzardo, Athletics
9. Stephen Gonsalves, Twins
10. Max Fried, Braves

Jim Furtado Posted: January 17, 2018 at 11:14 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: January 17, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5608202)
Jesus Luzardo, Athletics


Please tell me Luzardo is Spanish for lizard...
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: January 17, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5608216)
10. Max Fried, Braves
Speaking of names, maybe he got it off a hair dryer?
   3. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: January 17, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5608240)
3 Braves on the list, and Newcomb already up.
   4. TomH Posted: January 17, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5608272)
why do people make top 10 lists by carving up unlike quantities? How much better is the 9th best SS prospect than the 9th best 2Bman? Same with 9th best RHP vs LHP. It's like we name the 10th richest person in each state and province of the US and Canada. Maybe I'll move to Saskatchewan and make some list.
   5. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: January 17, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5608369)
TINSTAAPP.
   6. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: January 17, 2018 at 05:08 PM (#5608371)
It's like we name the 10th richest person in each state


Look for the college football coaches.
   7. . . . . . . Posted: January 17, 2018 at 05:41 PM (#5608396)
Puhleeze. Coaches make salaries that real rich people can afford to pay them as the cost of having more fun on fall Saturdays.
   8. The Interdimensional Council of Rickey!'s Posted: January 17, 2018 at 05:48 PM (#5608399)
Puhleeze.


True. Except generally speaking the college coaches are paid by the states. Nearly every state in the union has a college coach as their highest paid "public employee."
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: January 17, 2018 at 07:21 PM (#5608431)
why do people make top 10 lists by carving up unlike quantities?

Ten "top prospect" lists gets 10x as many clicks and autoplaying video ads as one "top prospect" list. The left fielder prospect list will leave you breathless.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: January 17, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5608445)
Ten "top prospect" lists gets 10x as many clicks and autoplaying video ads as one "top prospect" list. The left fielder prospect list will leave you breathless.


I wasn't really getting the complaint from post 4. You kinda helped clarify the complaint. Still not fully understanding it though. I get the complaint about top left handed pitching prospect and right handed pitching prospect that is a real complaint, because it's one job, pitching..... but complaining about top shortstop list vs top secondbaseman list is pretty much evidence of a person who does live in their parents basement and has never interacted with real people in the real world.

I absolutely want to know the top ten prospects at each position(or top 8, top 12, whatever arbitrary number you want to pick) and throw me top 20 pitchers(it's silly to separate that by hand and would be even sillier to separate it by starting and reliever---at least for now.... but I'm pretty certain a decade from now a list of top reliever prospects will make sense)

For the record I don't think anyone but the most hardcore fan is going to read an entire article of top 100 prospects, but many semi-hard core fans(like me) will read a top ten list. And if it's in a series of lists, then I'll read them all over a week or two... but I just don't find the appeal of reading about trudging through ten articles saying "here is the 90th to 100th best prospect in baseball".... really that appeals to the casual person? Break it down, and at the same time, since you are doing a top ten list, and there are thirty teams, and most of these lists usually have an "also considered list" and considering that most baseball fans are regional, they are probably looking to see any mention of their guys.....

   11. Walt Davis Posted: January 17, 2018 at 09:04 PM (#5608498)
SS vs 2B: I assume the issue is that many/most 2B prospects are former SS. The current 12th best SS might well rank at #7 if treated as a 2B .... a position he can most likely play right now and may be consigned to in a year or two anyway. So it's a bit like seeing a trade and saying something silly like "the Marlins acquired the Cubs #3 prospect" as if that means anything and is more likely misleading than anything else (e.g. if the Cubs #3 prospect is the #300 overall prospect ... which is possible at the moment).

Most simply, it's a "we don't care whether he's a big fish in a small pond, we just care how big the fish is" complaint. If there are 15 guys in the minors who project to be a better 2B than you, you are arguably the #16 2B prospect.

But yes, the argument is most obvious when applied to separate RHP vs LHP lists. At mlb.com, there are only 2 LHB ranked higher than the #10 RHP. Their #9 LHP isn't even in the top 100.** In fact, they rank him #4 in the O's system, behind the #89 overall at #2 and a guy not in the top 100 at #3. The #10 RHP is ranked #34 overall ... and followed by RHP at #36, #38, #41, #46, #47, and #48. There are another 19 RHP in the top 100.

Granted, there's only so much you could do about a prospect list. A combined "middle infielder" or "2B/SS/3B" list would be one solution but now you're ranking some guy at #6 that has no chance of playing SS in the majors. An accurate but annoying solution would be a SS list followed by a 2B plus SS as 2B list ... or 2B plus defensively questionable SS list.

** They seem to have made a boo-boo, skipping Joey Wentz (another Brave) who is #95 overall but left off the LHP list ... so I guess it's just the 10th best LHP prospect that is outside the top 100.
   12. TomH Posted: January 18, 2018 at 07:40 AM (#5608585)
well, cfb, maybe Walt's response helped you. Or maybe it didn't, given how silly & downright insulting your response was. I'll find for you if you wish my 100 best friends and let them explain how I spend more time with people outside of my basement, while only on occasion chiming in on internet boards like this. Unlike others who watch 100s of hours of baseball on TV and post commentary to their internet "friends".

"much evidence of a person who does live in their parents basement and has never interacted with real people in the real world."
   13. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 18, 2018 at 09:16 AM (#5608605)
I'm not sure why people would NOT want these lists. They are a lot of fun to look at. I mean, it's baseball news on January 18 that isn't about money and luxury taxes and agents. I'm sure at some point MLB.com will get around to posting a top 100 in order that will make it clear where the various players show up and I'm sure that as always shortstop will be "over" represented (rightly so) and it will clarify how the various pitchers slot in.

Any time you are putting together a list like this you can question how it is done. Why is it fair that Walker Buehler is on the RHP list but Luis Severino isn't? Both players are entering the age 24 season, the fact that Severino has achieved more invalidates him for the list but of course he is worth more to an MLB team than Buehler. It's an arbitrary list, if it doesn't interest you, don't read it.
   14. spycake Posted: January 18, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5608775)
I'll find for you if you wish my 100 best friends and let them explain how I spend more time with people outside of my basement


I'd be more interested if you could break that up into 10 separate lists of 10 friends each...

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