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Friday, August 14, 2009

31-6 Denny McLain: Come On Guy…Let ‘Em Pitch!

A week old…but what’s doing time to McLain.

Yup, I know what you are saying, the worst division in baseball with the KC guys and the Toronto Jays, but they still have to play the games. And they are in this division.

Our pitching is very good, I don’t like the way they are handling Porcello exactly, Gallaraga is in trouble, they may have destroyed Bonderman (who stole $40 million dollars) when he was very young and now he is literally almost out of the game, but they are making up for it by getting Porcello out of the game before he does something silly or does something to hurt himself.

Folks, the real issue as far as I’m concerned is taking a kid out at the 100 pitch mark all the time.

You never learn how to pitch! You never learn what you really have, cause folks the game really starts in the 6th and 7th inning…you know that, and I do too.

One day Porcello will poop all over himself when he is allowed to keep going to the 6th or 7th inning, and maybe who knows one day before he retires, 8 innings. Would that not be incredible?

Repoz Posted: August 14, 2009 at 12:45 PM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: August 14, 2009 at 12:53 PM (#3292238)
Is McLain not aware that the Blue Jays are NOT in the Tigers' division? Actually, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Somehow I don't think he's going to match Bob Feller in terms of age.

Wouldn't a better nickname be "the last 30 game winner"?
   2. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 14, 2009 at 12:57 PM (#3292239)
Speaking of douches...any of you spry older guys want to reflect on whether McLain threw games back in the day? I remember reading where Dick McCauliffe thinks he cost them the pennant one year.
   3. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: August 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM (#3292241)
I'm not your guy, buddy.
   4. tyler Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:14 PM (#3292246)
I'm not your Buddy Guy.
   5. SOLockwood Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:18 PM (#3292250)
There were rumors that the toe he broke in 1967 was actually broken for him by an impatient creditor.
   6. BDC Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:19 PM (#3292253)
Most of what I know about McLain I read in Behind the Mask, Bill Freehan's memoirs, which I read when they were published in 1970, and I was 11, and they weren't exactly Ball Four in their forthcomingness. Anyway, IIRC 39 years later, Freehan admired McLain enormously. The book came out just as the furore over McLain's gambling activities was breaking, and one would guess that Freehan didn't have to praise McLain in the book if he was dubious about McLain's efforts during the '67 pennant race. It would also be odd if mobsters had enough pull over McLain to influence the '67 race, but then turned around and left him to his own devices the next two years, when he was unbeatable. But one version of the story has the mobsters merely temporarily disabling McLain, not leaning on him to actually fix games.
   7. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:28 PM (#3292261)
You know who else hates pitch counts? Hitler.
   8. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:28 PM (#3292262)
Kuhn did not investigate McLain's mess himself, of course. The case was handled by Henry Fitzgibbon, a former FBI agent recently hired to run baseball's new security office. Fitzgibbon and his staff were to keep abreast of players' off-field problems, specifically those involving drugs and gambling. McLain was the staff's first big investigation. (Their second one involved Rose, whose gambling problems raised red flags for baseball as early as 1970. Fitzgibbon suspected for many years that Rose bet huge sums of money with bookmakers, which Rose almost certainly did, but Fitzgibbon was never able to catch him. The bookies, of course, were not talking.)

From that B-Pro article. That crazy Pete Rose!

Anyway this is the article I remember reading about McLain. It's pretty damning, I think. Where's GGC? What was up with Kuhn and McLain? Why did he get off so lightly?
   9. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:36 PM (#3292265)
Denny McLain: Come on Guy...Let 'Em Pitch!


Translation: Misery loves company. Why won't these sissies all blow out their arms in their 20's like I did?
   10. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 14, 2009 at 01:48 PM (#3292273)
Translation: Misery loves company. Why won't these sissies all blow out their arms in their 20's like I did?


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing Andy. It's pretty rich for a guy who's last effective season was at age 25 to be lamenting that pitchers today aren't used the way he was.
   11. JPWF13 Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:09 PM (#3292282)
What was up with Kuhn and McLain? Why did he get off so lightly?


Because Kuhn was a Horse's ass
   12. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:32 PM (#3292299)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing Andy. It's pretty rich for a guy who's last effective season was at age 25 to be lamenting that pitchers today aren't used the way he was.

I'm about four months younger than McLain and it wouldn't surprise me if I could get more steam on my fast ball than McLain could today.

Of course after about five pitches my right arm might wind up like Dave Dravecky's left arm, but what a moment of glory, not to mention a nice little case of political / medical symmetry....
   13. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:35 PM (#3292303)
Dear Denny,

You seriously need to STFU.

Sincerly,

The World

PS: Yes, you won 31 games once. You're still a dick.
   14. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:37 PM (#3292305)
Where's GGC? What was up with Kuhn and McLain? Why did he get off so lightly?


I haven't looked at my file on this in ages, but I think that Kuhn thought that Denny was too dumb to be a mastermind of this scheme and was more likely a sucker.
   15. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:39 PM (#3292309)
I haven't looked at my file on this in ages, but I think that Kuhn thought that Denny was too dumb to be a mastermind of this scheme and was more likely a sucker.

Yikes!
   16. bads85 Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:54 PM (#3292317)
You know who else hates pitch counts? Hitler.


But pitch counts make little Baby Jesus cry.
   17. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 14, 2009 at 02:58 PM (#3292321)
But pitch counts make little Baby Jesus cry.

Are you saying Hitler IS Jesus? Wow, man. Just wow.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 14, 2009 at 03:02 PM (#3292323)
they may have destroyed Bonderman (who stole $40 million dollars) when he was very young and now he is literally almost out of the game, but they are making up for it by getting Porcello out of the game before he does something silly or does something to hurt himself.

It's hilarious, because he provides his own counter-example right before his says something foolish.

They destroyed Bonderman, that's why they're taking it easy on Porcello. Duh!
   19. bads85 Posted: August 14, 2009 at 03:15 PM (#3292331)
Are you saying Hitler IS Jesus?


I thought little Baby Jesus grew up to be Bill James, not Hitler, but things are a bit foggy ever since I was excommunicated from The Church.
   20. RJ in TO Posted: August 14, 2009 at 03:26 PM (#3292344)
I haven't looked at my file on this in ages, but I think that Kuhn thought that Denny was too dumb to be a mastermind of this scheme and was more likely a sucker.


Also known as the Pedro Guererro defense.
   21. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 14, 2009 at 03:38 PM (#3292353)
I recommend all pitchers throw over 1300 innings from age 21-25 and less than 500 for the rest of their career.
   22. Ron Johnson Posted: August 14, 2009 at 06:14 PM (#3292516)
Where's GGC? What was up with Kuhn and McLain? Why did he get off so lightly?

I haven't looked at my file on this in ages, but I think that Kuhn thought that Denny was too dumb to be a mastermind of this scheme and was more likely a sucker.


I thinks it's as simple as not doing anything against MLB's rules. But reckless enough that Kuhn could act.
   23. beefshower Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:07 PM (#3292632)
Denny McLain may have the most fascinating Wikipedia page of any baseball player I've ever read. Drinking a case of Pepsi a day, signing autographs at a 7-11 while on work release from prison, teaming up with Jim Northrup to try and create a nude calendar featuring baseball players (not surprisingly this failed although I bet John Montefusco would have been game), not to mention all the allegations involving his activity with gamblers.

I'm only 25 so I obviously don't remember anything about Denny McLain's playing days other than what I've read and been told by my Dad who was/is a big Tigers fan. However, I remember back in high school I was helping my friend clean out his grandparents house after they had passed away and in the attic we found a box of old records and one of them was "Denny McLain at the Organ". We couldn't believe it was the old ballplayer and when we took it home and played it on some old record player, we couldn't believe how good he sounded. That album became our background music through our summer of endless nights playing "Goldeneye" on 64. It's not surprising that we were both without girlfriends that summer. It is surprising that we didn't grow up to become serial killers or something.
   24. Steve Treder Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:11 PM (#3292640)
It's not surprising that we were both without girlfriends that summer. It is surprising that we didn't grow up to become serial killers or something.

RDF
   25. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:18 PM (#3292656)
It is surprising that we didn't grow up to become serial killers or something.

So you say...
   26. beefshower Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:24 PM (#3292672)
I suppose I can only speak for myself...although now that I think about it, it does seem odd that most of my friends furniture appears to be made out of human bones. I had never made that connection before.
   27. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:25 PM (#3292673)
Xenia Onatopp!
   28. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:38 PM (#3292697)
I suppose I can only speak for myself...although now that I think about it, it does seem odd that most of my friends furniture appears to be made out of human bones. I had never made that connection before.

Mostly it's your handle that gives you away.
   29. beefshower Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:43 PM (#3292708)
Sorry, I don't mean to get off topic from Denny McLain's craziness, which is definitely worthy of further discussion, but I feel compelled to add that I was unstoppable with Jaws with an automatic shotgun in the Temple level. I couldn't draw a layout of my house, but I'm pretty sure I could draw in my sleep a detailed layout of the Temple level in "Goldeneye", with shading, trap doors, weapons and body armor locations, even though I haven't played the game in probably a decade. I have wasted my life.
   30. esseff Posted: August 14, 2009 at 07:58 PM (#3292744)
Tough trivia: What do Denny McLain, Don Blasingame and Jose Rijo have in common? (Other than that they have never been in my kitchen).
   31. Steve Treder Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:02 PM (#3292757)
Tough trivia: What do Denny McLain, Don Blasingame and Jose Rijo have in common? (Other than that they have never been in my kitchen).

Ain't so tough: they're all sons-in-law of major league stars.
   32. BDC Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:05 PM (#3292763)
sons-in-law of major league stars

So is Bobby Valentine. I mean, not that anyone cares.
   33. Dewey, Crackpot and Soupuss Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:06 PM (#3292764)
I remember back in high school I was helping my friend clean out his grandparents house after they had passed away and in the attic we found a box of old records and one of them was "Denny McLain at the Organ". We couldn't believe it was the old ballplayer and when we took it home and played it on some old record player, we couldn't believe how good he sounded.

I remember Nick Bakay had a bit years back where he played Denny McLain doing his lounge act. It was bizarre and hilarious. Google is unhelpful at helping me to find this, though.
   34. esseff Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:12 PM (#3292778)
#30-31: Lou Boudreau, Walker Cooper and Juan Marichal, respectively, in case anyone needs to know. Yes, not so tough.
   35. tjm1 Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:16 PM (#3292789)
"Denny McLain at the Organ"


31 wins and an album on Capitol for Denny McLain

It actually reminds me of some time Dick Radatz was making this kind of anti-pitch count rant on the radio in Boston, and Dennis Eckersley called in and used some satellite radio language on the regular radio before talking about how Eck's own career almost ended because they over-pitched him when he was young.
   36. Repoz Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:18 PM (#3292794)
It's not surprising that we were both without girlfriends that summer. It is surprising that we didn't grow up to become serial killers or something.

Look forward to possibly seeing you in Bill James' Crime Book Vol II.
   37. Frisco Cali Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:36 PM (#3292819)
they may have destroyed Bonderman (who stole $40 million dollars)

I guess it takes a thief to know one. At least Bonderman didn't steal his money from a pension fund.
   38. beefshower Posted: August 14, 2009 at 08:43 PM (#3292826)
36 - Look for me in his Ted Bundy section about the correlation between bad grades in law school and the increase in disappearance of women within a 25 mile radius being stronger than the correlation between the number of mysterious drifters in an area and the increase in disappearances at campsites.

hmm, i guess between this joke, revealing that I spent my high school years listening to organ music while playing video games and my admittedly creepy nom de plume, I'm not really helping my case of being a well adjusted lawyer who spends half his workday lurking in the comments section of this site. If anything I've probably been flagged by the FBI and am being run through some database or something. I should probably quit while I'm behind and switch topics....so how about that Tigers-Royals game tonight. Washburn-Greinke, oughta be a doozy
   39. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 14, 2009 at 09:21 PM (#3292858)
If the Tigers broke Bonderman, how is he the one stealing money?
   40. Mark Armour Posted: August 15, 2009 at 12:06 AM (#3292984)
Hey, I wrote that BP piece years ago, though my name has been expunged. Here is a longer version:
http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=2308&pid=9345
   41. Obama Bomaye Posted: August 15, 2009 at 01:12 AM (#3293037)
Color me surprised and not a little disappointed that Repoz's appearance in this thread was not to cosign the brilliance of Denny McLain's B3 stylings. Come on man, we all know you have that record too.

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