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‘42’ trailer: Baseball legend Jackie Robinson comes to life

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Gamingboy Posted: September 20, 2012 at 11:33 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 07:33 AM (#4241826)
CAN'T WAIT!

/Bart Scott
   2. bobm Posted: September 21, 2012 at 08:30 AM (#4241850)
Trailer is great. However, Harrison Ford looks almost nothing like Branch Rickey, no matter how much they did with makeup and hair.
   3. tfbg9 Posted: September 21, 2012 at 08:43 AM (#4241858)
The music doesn't fit the subject matter.
   4. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4241878)
[3] Look, Jay-Z is the King of Brooklyn, so if the movie is connected to Brooklyn you're damn sure gonna use his music and if it's about Jackie Robinson you're certainly going to highlight his brilliant Jackie Robinson wordplay.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4241888)

Trailer is great. However, Harrison Ford looks almost nothing like Branch Rickey, no matter how much they did with makeup and hair.


I dunno, all white people look alike to me.
   6. Lassus Posted: September 21, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4241937)
The music doesn't fit the subject matter.

Life moves on.

Although hilariously, after saying that, I will say that bat-flip seemed quite out of place. Any stories about the same that I was unaware of, historians?
   7. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: September 21, 2012 at 10:08 AM (#4241941)
Awesome.
   8. John DiFool2 Posted: September 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4241945)
The music thing: the latest Hobbit trailer lacks any of Howard Shore's compositions, FWIW.

The Hobbit, by the by, looks like it will kick ass. Topic drift away!
   9. phredbird Posted: September 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4241992)
what 6 said. if robinson had done that bat flip he would have been stomped by his own teammates.

the cinematography looks good. nice period detail ...

but ...

this movie is going to be hollywood crap. they're going to turn a grim, ugly, totally gripping story into another phony uplifting bunch of pablum. every character in this movie is going to be a cartoon. if you've ever read 'bums' by peter golenbeck, you know that it was an extremely nuanced and complicated story. these bozos would never have the guts to film it with any verisimilitude.

its not so bad that they mangled moneyball, that isn't such an important story when all is said and done. but what happened with jackie robinson and baseball and the country at that time is one of the pivotal events in the nation's history.

sometimes i just hate what happens when moviemakers get hold of historical events.
   10. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: September 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4242007)
sometimes i just hate what happens when moviemakers get hold of historical events.


Change "sometimes" to "usually" and I'm right there with you.
   11. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4242041)
phred

the video won't work for me so you are likely correct but guys did a form of bat flip if you will where they hit a long one and then toss the bat away like a kid shoving away a plate of 'yucky' food at the dinner table. joe adc8ck did that with a dismissive flair
   12. phredbird Posted: September 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4242131)
i believe you harv, but two things:

- the baseball establishment would not have let jackie get away with it.

- the flip in the clip is pretty much the style you see now. i really think it would have been pretty inflammatory back in the day. ymmv.
   13. Gamingboy Posted: September 21, 2012 at 01:04 PM (#4242141)
It's hard to really get a hold of things from a trailer. I mean, obviously they aren't going to be playing Jay-Z during the movie, that's just some marketing guys' flourishes. The chronology of the trailer is obviously not in order: at various times we see him in Montreal, in Brooklyn, in Spring Training, so it's entirely possible that the bat-flip and the brushback aren't even the same game or from the same pitcher that we see throwing the ball, thanks to dramatic cutting. Heck, some of this stuff that shows up in the trailer might not even be in the film: different cuts are used all the time in trailers.

   14. JoeHova Posted: September 21, 2012 at 01:13 PM (#4242150)
I don't think the guy who edited the trailer knew what Jay-Z meant by "run base."
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4242155)
- the flip in the clip is pretty much the style you see now. i really think it would have been pretty inflammatory back in the day. ymmv.

Hell, if I were a pitcher, I'd brush a guy back for that today.
   16. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4242174)
I don't think the guy who edited the trailer knew what Jay-Z meant by "run base."

Don't listen to radio much these days, but from what I recall, whether radio/tv they never edit out drug references unless they're blatant/explicit.
   17. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: September 21, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4242248)
If you get butt hurt by guys flipping bats, you shouldn't be pitching in the bigs.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4242272)
If you get butt hurt by guys flipping bats, you shouldn't be pitching in the bigs.

If you can't "act like you've been there before, and will be there again" you shouldn't be playing in the bigs.

Why is throwing your equipment in anger an ejectable offense, but throwing it to show up the other team not?

Also, it's not like intimidating hitters doesn't produce actual in game value for the pitcher. If I were an MLB pitcher, I'd want every hitter thinking I was a crazed lunatic who might try and kill them at any time.
   19. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4242335)
It's about time Jackie Robinson finally gets some recognition from MLB and Hollywood.
   20. VoodooR Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4242345)
If I were an MLB pitcher, I'd want every hitter thinking I was a crazed lunatic who might try and kill them at any time.


I don't really have a problem with throwing inside for intimidation or retaliation purposes, but I find it interesting that you find mild showboating to be terribly inappropriate, yet throwing at or near a batter's head is acceptable and prudent.

"Show up the other team" = offensive

acting like "a crazed lunatic who might try to kill them" = good idea

???
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 21, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4242372)
I don't really have a problem with throwing inside for intimidation or retaliation purposes, but I find it interesting that you find mild showboating to be terribly inappropriate, yet throwing at or near a batter's head is acceptable and prudent.

"Show up the other team" = offensive

acting like "a crazed lunatic who might try to kill them" = good idea


Brushing a guy back need not be aimed at the head. You can punish a guy for being an #######, w/o throwing at his head. I also don't think you should hit a guy just for hitting you hard.

I'm not saying I approve of head-hunting, just saying that it works. If you can get the reputation w/o actually endangering anybody, that's a huge benefit to a pitcher.
   22. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 21, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4242479)
Fun fact: in 1947, the NL leader in HBP was nicknamed "Whitey."

I was curious about Robinson's HBP data, so did a little looking...
In 1947, Robinson was plunked more by Pittsburgh than any other team - I'd expected the Ben Chapman Phillies.
I was surprised to see he only led the league in HBP once - with the lowest league-leading total for more than 30 years after.
His HBP rates were high, but not nearly as high as Minnie Minoso - or, in the NL, Solly Hemus.
Robinson did a lot of damage on the basepaths, obviously. But the very slow Campanella seems not to have been a beanball magnet - just 30 HBP in his career.

Robinson had a homer and an HBP in the same game 5 times:
8.8.48 (vs. CIN) - HBP in the 5th (stole second), homered in the 6th.
5.24.49 (vs. PIT) - homered in the first, homered in the third, HBP (1-1 count) in the fifth.
8.10.49 (vs. PHI) - HBP in the fourth (by Heintzelman's first pitch), game-winning homer with two out in the 9th (off Konstanty).
5.25.53 (vs. PHI) - HBP in the fourth (Drews' second pitch), 3-run homer off Konstanty in the 9th.
4.19.54 (vs. PHI) - HBP in the fourth (Miller's second pitch), homered off Konstanty in the 7th.

Chapman was fired after 1948, so whatever was happening in Philadelphia appears to be more about J-Rob's personal animus against Jim Konstanty than anything else.
(Yes, Robinson owned Konstanty: .483 / .571 / .931 over 35 PA, 4 homers.)
   23. pep21 Posted: September 21, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4242694)
I was planning on going but now that I heard that punk ass no talent Jay-Z on the soundtrack I'll pass.
   24. AndrewJ Posted: September 21, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4242701)
The real-life Jackie had a much higher-pitched voice than the actor playing him in the trailer.

this movie is going to be hollywood crap. they're going to turn a grim, ugly, totally gripping story into another phony uplifting bunch of pablum. every character in this movie is going to be a cartoon.

In other words, what they did to the Ernie Davis story in "The Express," which despite a compelling performance by Dennis Quaid (as coach Ben Schwartzwalder) was forgettable. Ditto the Carla Gugino vehicle "The Mighty Macs" about the Immaculata basketball team.

   25. McCoy Posted: September 21, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4242708)
Hey, this song has the word Brooklyn in it. Let's remix it and use it for the soundtrack.
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 21, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4242727)
this movie is going to be hollywood crap.

Might not be as good as the original.

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