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6 suspects, including gunman, arrested in Ortiz shooting – Boston Herald

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An alleged gunman and five accomplices have been detained in the shooting of former Red Sox superstar David Ortiz, Dominican officials said Wednesday, while providing no information about why a group of young men would try to kill their country’s most beloved sports hero.

Four other suspects were also being pursued in the shooting, which witnesses said was carried out by two men on a motorcycle, assisted by two other groups of people in cars.

“At this moment, they are being interrogated and we will continue deepening the investigation to get to the truth about what happened,” Chief Prosecutor Jean Alain Rodríguez said.

“Nobody involved in this unfortunate episode will escape justice, neither those who carried it out nor the mastermind,” he said.

The national police director, Maj. Gen. Ney Aldrin Bautista Almonte, said the coordinator of the attack was offered 400,000 Dominican pesos, or about $7,800, to orchestrate the shooting. He said the alleged coordinator was also among those in custody.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 13, 2019 at 06:23 AM | 107 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 07:45 AM (#5851310)
Can't believe this isn't tagged with "The Attempted Assassination of David Ortiz by the Coward Rolfy Ferreyra"- c'mon Jim!

Also, uh, this is a large conspiracy.
   2. The Duke Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:06 AM (#5851313)
“At this moment, they are being interrogated and we will continue deepening the investigation to get to the truth about what happened,” Chief Prosecutor Jean Alain Rodríguez said.

I’m guessing they won’t be asking nicely.
   3. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 13, 2019 at 08:07 AM (#5851314)
$7800... I feel these guys could have gone to the police and Papi, told them what was going on, and Papi could have just pulled $10,000 out of his wallet and given it to them as a reward.
   4. weiss-man Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:31 AM (#5851333)
Or Ortiz could have just said, I'll pay you double that amount NOT to kill me.
   5. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:39 AM (#5851337)
C'mon, Jim, you failed to pull the best part of the article!

Among the suspects in custody was the alleged shooter, identified by authorities as Rolfy Ferreyra, aka Sandy, a skinny, tattooed 25-year-old who officials said had confessed to the shooting.

In a statement, officials said the weapon used, a Browning Hi Power semi-automatic pistol, had been handed to suspect Oliver Moises Mirabal Acosta, then to suspect Porfirio Allende Dechamps Vasquez, AKA The Kid, who buried it in the garden of his home.

Both men have been arrested and the gun has been recovered.

Also under arrest were Joel Rodríguez de la Cruz, aka Squiddy; Reynaldo Rodríguez Valenzuela, aka The Chinaman; and the suspected driver of the motorcycle, Eddy Vladimir Feliz García, aka The Package.

Many were caught in the same clothes they were seen wearing on surveillance video, Bautista said.

The four suspects still at large were identified as Luis Alfredo Rivas Clase, aka The Surgeon, as well as a woman known as The Venezuelan, or Red, and two other men, prosecutors said in a statement.


As I wrote elsewhere ...

a) who in the world puts a hit on David Ortiz in the DR ... where I assume he's slightly popular
b) who in the world puts a hit on David Ortiz in the DR ... and only spends 8k for the job
c) who in the world puts a hit on David Ortiz in the DR ... and only spends 8k for the job ... and hires someone so incredibly incompetent they fumbled the hit, in public, on video, failed to escape, were caught, beaten ... all while involving a total of 10! conspirators, including: The Chinaman, The Package, The Surgeon and ... Squiddy
   6. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5851341)
Worst Ocean's 11 remake ever.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:50 AM (#5851342)
Have they translated "the Kid" and "the Package" and such? Or do they have English language nicknames?

Is "Squiddy" actually "Calamarito?"
   8. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5851346)
I'll admit I was expecting a 'Major Strausser has been shot......round up the usual suspects' outcome here.
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: June 13, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5851347)
The national police director, Maj. Gen. Ney Aldrin Bautista Almonte, said the coordinator of the attack was offered 400,000 Dominican pesos, or about $7,800, to orchestrate the shooting.
Was something mixed up in the translation? Does he really mean that the coordinator paid that money to the Sandy and The Kid et al? If the translation is correct, who offered the coordinator that money?

Either way, it's strange that the police would release that detail right away.
   10. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: June 13, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5851379)
This would be really really funny if it didn't involve David Ortiz getting shot. And heck, even with David Ortiz getting shot it's kind of funny, but I'm glad that it sounds like he'll be alright.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5851382)
This would be really really funny if it didn't involve David Ortiz getting shot. And heck, even with David Ortiz getting shot it's kind of funny, but I'm glad that it sounds like he'll be alright.

Ortiz is just super freaking lucky. To have the hit man standing right behind you, and he only gets off one shot, and you escape serious injury, wow! Thank your guardian angel.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5851385)
Do you think his size makes him harder to kill? Are his organs more spaced out and tougher to hit than an average fellow's?
   13. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5851386)
To have the hit man standing right behind you, and he only gets off one shot, and you escape serious injury, wow!

8 large just doesn't buy the same quality hit that it used to. Like Momma says, "You get what you pay for."
   14. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:06 AM (#5851389)
5--thanks for calling that out. Shared with my Dad and his reaction was saying is that the cast from Snatch?
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5851390)
8 large just doesn't buy the same quality hit that it used to. Like Momma says, "You get what you pay for."

The odd think is they did the hard part. They managed a conspiracy with 10 (or more) knuckleheads in it without someone ratting them out, and got the shooter into position. They screwed up the easiest part; keep pulling the trigger.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5851392)
Do you think his size makes him harder to kill? Are his organs more spaced out and tougher to hit than an average fellow's?

Only 1 in 3 handgun shootings is fatal, and that's usually with multiple gunshot wounds. Handguns are not nearly as lethal as the movies make out.
   17. jmurph Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:10 AM (#5851393)
Do you think his size makes him harder to kill? Are his organs more spaced out and tougher to hit than an average fellow's?

The strike zone should be the same regardless of the hitter's size IMO.

EDIT: Honestly, is it fair that Altuve would be easier to kill? Come on.
   18. jingoist Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5851395)
This event, alongside the recent deaths of 6 American tourists, makes me want to call my travel agent and book a week or two in the DR.......NOT.
Tourism has been on a knifes edge there for sometime; good luck with it increasing anytime soon.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5851399)
"You come at the king, you best not miss."

I'm hardly an expert, but it seems like if your target is sitting still with his back to you, you aim for the head or middle of his back, not his lower back. Unless the jealous drug lord angle is accurate and they were intentionally trying to hit him where it hurts.
   20. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5851400)
18--When we did Punta Cana the resort people freaked when I had us leaving the resort to check out other parts of the island. FWIW
   21. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5851404)
When we did Punta Cana the resort people freaked when I had us leaving the resort to check out other parts of the island.

Mrs. PRD and I vacationed in Juan Dolio a few years ago. I joined her out there after she spoke at a conference in Santo Domingo. The resort was nice and safe, but the razor wire atop the walls surrounding the property was a pretty solid hint that we shouldn't leave the property on our own.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5851408)
20. Master of the Horse Posted: June 13, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5851400)
18--When we did Punta Cana the resort people freaked when I had us leaving the resort to check out other parts of the island. FWIW
I think big resort vacations are designed for people to just stay on-site. But there are definitely parts of the D.R. where it is common for tourists to stay in smaller hotels and move around more. There are touristy towns, but I'd guess that they are not necessarily located next to the big all-inclusive resorts.
   23. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 13, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5851424)
22--One day we stopped to watch a baseball game of a bunch of kids. It was fun
   24. jmurph Posted: June 13, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5851425)
22--One day we stopped to watch a baseball game of a bunch of kids. It was fun

I've always thought checking out some summer league games there would be a lot of fun.
   25. Nasty Nate Posted: June 13, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5851435)
I've only been to the DR once, but if the negative hype drives down plane and hotel prices, I'd consider it again for next winter.
   26. Mike Hampton's #1 Fan Posted: June 13, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5851437)
I'm hardly an expert, but it seems like if your target is sitting still with his back to you, you aim for the head or middle of his back, not his lower back. Unless the jealous drug lord angle is accurate and they were intentionally trying to hit him where it hurts.


I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was the first time the shooter ever fired an actual gun. Even if he had, I'd guess that the kind of hitman you can get for $8,000 -- even in the Dominican Republic, where presumably that money goes a lot further than it does in Boston -- probably has only a hazy notion of things like "sight picture" and "trigger control" and "handling recoil." Not hard to imagine the guy just pointing the gun in Ortiz's general direction and jerking the trigger and assuming that it's going to work out because that's what happens in the movies.

It sounds easy, but I routinely see people who can't keep all their shots on a piece of paper the size of David Ortiz's torso at a range of ten feet, even on a clean, bright, well-lit range where there isn't any loud music playing or the fear that the friends of the piece of paper are going to beat the crap out of you the second they figure out what's going on. Handguns are actually pretty hard to shoot accurately, and anything is a lot harder when you're stressed (or drunk, or ripped on drugs, any of which might be required to get someone in the DR to try to murder David freakin' Ortiz).
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: June 13, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5851440)
I've only been to the DR once, but if the negative hype drives down plane and hotel prices, I'd consider it again for next winter.


I'm going to play it safe and go to the other side of the island.
   28. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5851442)

#26 yeah, I'm sure the guy was nervous as hell and not thinking clearly. I think about people throwing out the first pitch at baseball games who are often *way* off the mark.
   29. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5851444)
I'm going to play it safe and go to the other side of the island.

Hah! Reminds me of the SNL commercial for Bad Idea jeans (riffing on the 1980's Guess jeans ads): "Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, 'When am I gonna make it back to Haiti?'"
   30. Nasty Nate Posted: June 13, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5851445)
I'm going to play it safe and go to the other side of the island.
For an added bonus, you don't even need to know any Spanish on that side!
   31. Lassus Posted: June 13, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5851449)
I'd suggest that if they don't want anyone else admiring these people, they go look in the ocean.
   32. Red Voodooin Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5851495)
I'd guess that the kind of hitman you can get for $8,000 -- even in the Dominican Republic, where presumably that money goes a lot further than it does in Boston


$8000 is 400,000 Dominican Pesos. According to this, the medium monthly salary in the DR is 20,000 pesos, so 240,000 a year so it would take one year, eight months for the median worker to make $8000 USD. The median income in the US is $31,000, so 20 months of work is worth $50,000. So we might surmise that 8K in the DR might buy what it would cost 50K to get in Boston.

I think you can probably get a mediocre hitman for 50 grand in the U.S. I'd think it would cost a lot more to whack a celebrity, though, unless you really went bottom-feeding in the murder-for-hire pool.
   33. SoSH U at work Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5851502)
unless you really went bottom-feeding in the murder-for-hire pool.


Tell me about it. ####### LinkedIn.

   34. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5851504)
I admit having little experience with the whole "hiring a hit man" thing, but my guess is that most "hit men" are actually somebody's brother-in-law's sketchy cousin, rather than a Bond villain. And the sketchy cousin probably does it for whatever he needs to pay off the loan shark or the bookie.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5851507)
(26) But this guy had no trouble hitting Ortiz with the first shot, which is often the wildest with a double action pistol. His accuracy was fine, he just stopped shooting.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 13, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5851508)
Maybe the $8k only buys you one shot. It's another $5k for each additional shot.
   37. akrasian Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5851509)
The thing is - the money figure was for the coordinator. He presumably paid everybody involved out of that 400k Dominican Pesos, so the hitman undoubtedly got paid a lot less. It would have been a bargain, if he weren't incompetent.
   38. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5851510)
I admit having little experience with the whole "hiring a hit man" thing, but my guess is that most "hit men" are actually somebody's brother-in-law's sketchy cousin, rather than a Bond villain.


A Bond villain is the very last person I'd hire for this job (except maybe a Stormtrooper). At least el primo sospechoso landed one bullet.
   39. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5851514)
It would have been a bargain, if he *everyone* involved weren't incompetent.


FTFY.

Personally, I figure they were fine with The Chinaman, The Package, The Surgeon and maybe The Kid.

But with Squiddy? They'd just goon too far ...

   40. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5851516)
I'd think it would cost a lot more to whack a celebrity, though, unless you really went bottom-feeding in the murder-for-hire pool.


Words of wisdom from Avon Barksdale.
   41. PreservedFish Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5851521)
How do you put Sandy behind the trigger when you've got The Surgeon at your disposal?
   42. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5851523)
A Bond villain is the very last person I'd hire for this job
Yeah, even someone with Ortiz's speed probably could have gotten out of the club in the time it took for the Bond villain hitman to explain why he was going to shoot Ortiz and who was involved in the conspiracy.
   43. puck Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5851528)
EDIT: Honestly, is it fair that Altuve would be easier to kill? Come on.


Smaller, fewer hit points?
   44. Mike Hampton's #1 Fan Posted: June 13, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5851531)
(35) Sure, he did hit, but the context here is #19 musing on why he didn't aim for the head or the upper back. One reasonable explanation would be that he did aim for the head, but hit somewhere else because he was inexperienced / he stressed / he sucked. Inexperience might also go to why he only fired one shot (if it was a lot louder than he expected, or the recoil was worse, or whatever), especially if he was already edgy (seems like a certainty).

I can't quite make out what the weapon shown is, although Google tells me it was a Browning Hi-Power, which is probably easier for someone inexperienced with to be consistent with than something with a heavy DA or DA/SA trigger.
   45. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 13, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5851536)
Sure, he did hit, but the context here is #19 musing on why he didn't aim for the head or the upper back.
Doesn't buy into the launch angle revolution, obviously.
   46. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 13, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5851537)
$8000 is 400,000 Dominican Pesos. According to this, the medium monthly salary in the DR is 20,000 pesos, so 240,000 a year so it would take one year, eight months for the median worker to make $8000 USD. The median income in the US is $31,000, so 20 months of work is worth $50,000. So we might surmise that 8K in the DR might buy what it would cost 50K to get in Boston.
50K might get you the Chinaman, Sandy, and the Surgeon if you live in Springfield, but in Boston the average salary is around $45,000. So there your 50 grand probably gets you Squiddy's cousin Cuttlefish.
   47. Red Voodooin Posted: June 13, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5851546)
Words of wisdom from Avon Barksdale.


Link is broken, so I have to guess:

"I mean you can do some #### and be like what the ####, by hey, never on no Sunday man."

????
   48. Khrushin it bro Posted: June 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5851549)
Don't you usually aim low so that you don't miss high from the recoil? Also possibly trying to keep the gun concealed from the crowd while shooting.

Hard to say what was going on in Sandy's head when he was aiming at Papi with the Chinaman waiting nearby about to whisk him away.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:04 PM (#5851553)
Sure, he did hit, but the context here is #19 musing on why he didn't aim for the head or the upper back.

The textbook approach is to aim for center of mass. That way, if you miss high, low, left, or right, you're most likely to still hit something.

If you aim at the sternum for someone Ortiz's size, you can miss 2 feet high or low, or maybe 8-10 inches left or right, and still hit something important.
   50. asinwreck Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5851556)
my guess is that most "hit men" are actually somebody's brother-in-law's sketchy cousin, rather than a Bond villain

The Jeremy Thorpe murder-for-hire case made for a terrific depiction of hiring a clod to do the dirty work in A Very English Scandal.
   51. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5851557)
"I mean you can do some #### and be like what the ####, by hey, never on no Sunday man."

That would be Omar.
   52. Greg Pope Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:10 PM (#5851558)
Don't you usually aim low so that you don't miss high from the recoil?

I've never shot a gun in my life. Does the recoil change the direction of the bullet? I would have assumed that the bullet has left the barrel by the time there's any effect.
   53. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:26 PM (#5851564)
Link is broken, so I have to guess:


Weird ... trying again
   54. Red Voodooin Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5851570)
That would be Omar.


Incorrect
   55. The Duke Posted: June 13, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5851574)
Daily mail is now reporting name of the woman and saying that there is evidence that Ortiz bought her an 85K Lexus the day before the hit. Film of her at hospital trying to get to him at hospital.

What a weird story
   56. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 13, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5851590)

What a weird story


As I wrote elsewhere, this one's strange and gonna get stranger ...
   57. Bug Selig Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5852076)
I've never shot a gun in my life. Does the recoil change the direction of the bullet? I would have assumed that the bullet has left the barrel by the time there's any effect.
Correct. But the competent thing (ethics aside) to do would have been to empty the gun into him. If you're a noob, the recoil may make you completely lose control of the gun and only get off 1 shot - it will certainly affect the accuracy of shot 2.
   58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5852080)
I've never shot a gun in my life. Does the recoil change the direction of the bullet? I would have assumed that the bullet has left the barrel by the time there's any effect.


Correct. But the competent thing (ethics aside) to do would have been to empty the gun into him. If you're a noob, the recoil may make you completely lose control of the gun and only get off 1 shot - it will certainly affect the accuracy of shot 2.

The classic "bad shooting" behavior with a double action automatic is you jerk the gun off target on the first shot, because the double action trigger pull is heavy, then you put the next shot or two in the ceiling b/c of the hair-trigger on single action.

Someone mentioned this was a Browning Hi Power, which is single action only. No real idea why he hit dead on with the first shot, then stopped. Maybe the gun jammed.
   59. bunyon Posted: June 14, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5852085)
Ortiz misread the script. He was supposed to get shot 15 years before the heroic homerun.
   60. The Duke Posted: June 14, 2019 at 05:10 PM (#5852108)
Silver lining is that getting shot may trump PEDs when it comes to Hall voting. I’d say he’s a shoo-in now
   61. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 05:11 PM (#5852110)
50K might get you the Chinaman, Sandy, and the Surgeon if you live in Springfield


Hey! Sandy's gone straight! He's got a job at the new MGM casino! The Surgeon, though, just got fired from the Coldstone Creamery at the basketball Hall of Fame, so he might come cheaper.
   62. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 14, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5852116)
Hey! Sandy's gone straight! He's got a job at the new MGM casino! The Surgeon, though, just got fired from the Coldstone Creamery at the basketball Hall of Fame, so he might come cheaper.


Screw those mugs, what about Squiddy???
   63. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 14, 2019 at 06:19 PM (#5852132)
Squiddy's been in MCI Framingham for boosting wheels from Big Sully's Charles River Regata since 2017, khed.
   64. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: June 15, 2019 at 04:51 AM (#5852215)
I very much liked #42. Just the right combination of baseball and movie knowledge.
   65. eric Posted: June 15, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5852251)
I agree that, strictly from a hit-man perspective, he should have kept shooting. But I can see how it played out the way it did.

1) He's new to public hits. He shot once, was probably very conscious of just how incredibly loud it was and how literally every person for an entire block was focused on him.

2) Therefore, he just wanted to get away, and so that was it

3) He "missed" low because he probably got some half-assed shooting practice in a range and developed a flinch. Basically the recoil will, with time, cause some people to anticipate the recoil rather than accept and react to the recoil. They will push the gun down at the exact moment they pull the trigger. You can give them a target paper just 3 yds away, they can do everything right from aiming to stance to smooth trigger pull. The'll aim for the dead center, something they've hit many times before. But they'll flinch forward at the instance of trigger pull in anticipation of the recoil and the round will go through the bottom part of the paper.

All lucky for Papi.
   66. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 15, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5852252)
Silver lining is that getting shot may trump PEDs when it comes to Hall voting. I’d say he’s a shoo-in now
So, you’re saying Ortiz had himself shot to boost his Hall of Fame chances? Or was it some crazed fan doing Ortiz a “favor”? Maybe his agent? That would explain the single shot and apparent disinterest in finishing the job, but I’m going to need more evidence.
   67. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 15, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5852291)
How many people does it take to shoot David Ortiz? Three More Suspects Identified:
Three more suspects — two of whom were already in prison for other crimes — have been identified in connection with the planned attack on former Red Sox star David Ortiz, according to Dominican Republic authorities.

Lanny Estefanny Perez Reyes, Jose Eduardo Ciprian and Carlos Rafael Alvarez were identified in a press release from the attorney general’s office in the Dominican Republic as new suspects in the case, making a total of nine suspects in custody with one, Luis Alfredo Rivas-Clase, still at large. Ciprian and Alvarez are inmates at a public prison in Azua, Dominican Republic, which is about 70 miles from Santo Domingo, where the shooting happened Sunday night.

Nine suspects, enough for their own baseball team.
   68. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 15, 2019 at 06:15 PM (#5852296)
Lanny Estefanny Perez Reyes, Jose Eduardo Ciprian and Carlos Rafael Alvarez


Nicknames or they don't count.

Nine suspects


Try again ...

   69. Howie Menckel Posted: June 16, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5852514)
David Ortiz: Behind The Music
"Answers may lie in the cracks that are developing in Ortiz’s carefully crafted persona.

On one hand, there is the Boston baseball icon who has hosted his own charitable golf event in the D.R. each year, drawing sports world VIPs and raising millions for Dominican and New England disadvantaged children with pediatric heart care needs.

On the other hand, there are shady links to the slugger going as far back as his early Red Sox days. Behind his megawatt smile and baseball fame across two countries lie complicated issues and confounding lifestyle choices that include ties to an accused gambler, an alleged affair and an unreported car chase and subsequent coverup of the crash. Interviews with Dominican and American sources familiar with the case suggest the shooting was not simply a matter of Ortiz being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and his life may have been in danger even if he’d been in the U.S."

"While current reports say there could be additional arrests in the shooting case, the Daily News has learned that U.S. law enforcement agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, are actively involved in the probe, and that a powerfully connected drug kingpin believed to be nicknamed “The Abuser” may be one person of interest to authorities."

"In addition to the federal glare and the ongoing probe in the D.R., Eddie Dominguez, a former Resident Security Agent for the Red Sox when Ortiz was on the team, revealed some troubling elements of Ortiz’s off-the-field life in the book “Baseball Cop,” published last year.

Dominguez wrote how in 2005, while he was an RSA and still an active Boston Police Department detective and a member of an FBI task force, allegations arose about a member of Ortiz’s entourage betting on baseball games, prompting Dominguez to open a BPD/FBI investigation."
   70. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 16, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5852518)
So the allegations are that Ortiz knew someone who bet on baseball, somebody chased Ortiz's car once, and he was rumored to be having an affair. When are they going to get to the scandal?
   71. The Rare Albino Shrieking Goat of Guatemala. Posted: June 16, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5852523)
Nicknames or they don't count.


"While current reports say there could be additional arrests in the shooting case, the Daily News has learned that U.S. law enforcement agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, are actively involved in the probe, and that a powerfully connected drug kingpin believed to be nicknamed “The Abuser” may be one person of interest to authorities."


Much better.
   72. base ball chick Posted: June 16, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5852562)
youse guys are overlooking the obvious

MRS ortiz found out about La Bimbo de la Sluttt and ordered the hit
   73. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 16, 2019 at 05:21 PM (#5852570)
Not to blame the victim, but for a guy who is said to be beloved, there were an awful lot of folks willing to participate in his shooting, for peanuts even. Maybe just a lot awful folks these days.
   74. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 16, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5852572)
Maybe just a lot awful folks these days.

Same as ever!
   75. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 16, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5852573)
Maybe just a lot awful folks these days.

I mean there have to be at least, what, 5 million Yankees fans or so. That's a huge chunk of awful folks right there.
   76. Red Voodooin Posted: June 16, 2019 at 06:32 PM (#5852578)
Maybe just a lot awful folks these days.


As opposed to other days?
   77. Lassus Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:00 AM (#5852665)
Howie, doesn't #69 strike you as alarmist scandal-mongering journalism with no smoke OR fire?
   78. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 17, 2019 at 08:52 AM (#5852674)
#69 strikes me as a reporter who knows stuff that he isn’t allowed to print because he can’t quite get it on the record, in an article that was heavily modified to remove all the juicy parts.
   79. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 17, 2019 at 09:18 AM (#5852688)
Lassus, yeah, that seemed very grasping at straws to me. There's plenty of reasons someone could have tried to kill Papi, but there's no there there in that story.
   80. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5852703)

I kind of assume that most pro athletes have cheated on their wives at some point. Not to excuse that behavior, but you'd have to be pretty naive for it to change your opinion of an athlete's persona. Sure, I was shocked by the Kirby Puckett stuff, but that was over a decade ago and went beyond just cheating (it was actually so long ago that the prosecutor in his case, Amy Klobuchar, is now a third-term senator running for President).
   81. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5852705)
Howie, doesn't #69 strike you as alarmist scandal-mongering journalism with no smoke OR fire?


He's not sayin', he's just sayin'.
   82. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5852710)
Howie, doesn't #69 strike you as alarmist scandal-mongering journalism with no smoke OR fire?


That was my take too. The coverage and discussion of this is pretty appalling in my view. I suspect it would be very different if he was David Oakley from Kenosha, WI.
   83. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 17, 2019 at 10:22 AM (#5852714)
I kind of assume that most pro athletes have cheated on their wives at some point.


They couldn't even get anyone to confirm, even anonymously, that Ortiz was having an affair. It's merely a theory as to why someone would take out a hit on him. The whole article is trash.
   84. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 18, 2019 at 01:34 AM (#5853066)
Now a dozen criminals, led by a “mastermind”, but motive yet to be revealed:
Dominican authorities on Monday identified the man they believe paid hit men to try to kill David Ortiz, adding that they were closing in on the mastermind and motive behind the shooting of the famous slugger who is recovering at a hospital in Boston.

The man was identified as Alberto Miguel Rodriguez Mota, whom authorities say is a fugitive. The announcement was made as a judge held a hearing closed to the public for another suspect nicknamed "Bone." Officials did not release details, but according to court documents obtained by The Associated Press, the man, whose real name is Gabriel Alexander Perez Vizcaino, is accused of being the liaison between the alleged hit men and the person who paid them.
. . .
The 24-year-old suspect is one of 10 that authorities have detained, and they are looking for at least two others mentioned in the court documents, including the man accused of paying the alleged hit men.

Do better hitmen have better nicknames?
   85. bunyon Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5853247)
There are enough guys that this could be a bad game telephone. Kingpin told someone to get him Papi’s autograph and by the 12th guy it had become a hit.

Anyway, I am eager to see the movie that comes out on this.
   86. RoyalFlush Posted: June 18, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5853262)
Nine suspects, enough for their own baseball team.


A real Murderers' Row...

Oh. Wait. He made it?
   87. phredbird Posted: June 18, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5853320)

Silver lining is that getting shot may trump PEDs when it comes to Hall voting. I’d say he’s a shoo-in now


jaded person that i am, this was one of my first thoughts.
   88. Khrushin it bro Posted: June 18, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5853323)
Why would being shady and getting shot improve HOF odds?
   89. Zach Posted: June 18, 2019 at 06:39 PM (#5853327)
it was actually so long ago that the prosecutor in his case, Amy Klobuchar, is now a third-term senator running for President

Yes, but as far as I know Big Papi was never her staffer, so "Amy the Comb" is a second-tier suspect at best.
   90. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: June 18, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5853376)
According to WEEI Ortiz has been upgraded to “good” condition but is still in ICU.
   91. Howie Menckel Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:08 PM (#5853422)
Howie, doesn't #69 strike you as alarmist scandal-mongering journalism with no smoke OR fire?

I was kind of on the run when I posted, so didn't really digest it. but it is a tabloid story, yeah.

the kind of story where if any of the storylines bear fruit, then you claim victory. and one of the writers co-wrote an Ortiz book on some of this with the guy they quoted in the story.
   92. asinwreck Posted: June 18, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5853431)
"I read where you were shot five times in the tabloids."

"It's not true. He didn't come anywhere near my tabloids."
   93. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: June 19, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5853776)
Howie's tabloid link may have legs. They've ID'd the "real" target, some guy named Hernandez, I think, whose reaction, when told he was the target, was, basically, "huh?".

And Ortiz's attorney gave a statement denying all the stuff that smeared his client, rather than ignoring it, which seems like the better play here.

Who knows?
   94. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 19, 2019 at 07:55 PM (#5853802)
Dominican prosecutor now saying that Papi wasn't the target, and that it was a Gulf Cartel hit.
   95. Spahn Insane Posted: June 19, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5853803)
So a guy (Dominican?) hired to whack somebody in the DR, working in concert with ten other people, mistakes probably the most famous Dominican who's ever lived (and who's highly distinctive looking in any case) for his intended target in a public place. Sure, seems legit.
   96. Sunday silence Posted: June 19, 2019 at 08:21 PM (#5853809)
Alex Rodriguez says "Hello."
   97. Brian C Posted: June 19, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5853811)
...that feeling when you’re trying to kill some guy that ”looks sorta like Big Papi” and you shoot the actual Big Papi.

Wanna get away?
   98. Howie Menckel Posted: June 19, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5853820)
yeah, that Daily News speculative piece didn't age well
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (CNN)David Ortiz was not the intended target of the murder-for-hire plot that ended in the former Red Sox star being shot, authorities in the Dominican Republic said Wednesday.
Prosecutor Jean Alain Rodríguez Sánchez told reporters that a friend of Ortiz, Sixto David Fernandez -- who was seated at Ortiz's table -- was the target of the bungled hit. Fernandez and Ortiz were wearing similar clothes.

[of course, one imagines Ortiz's friend perhaps is, or is not, a choirboy. but still]
   99. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 19, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5853831)
So a guy (Dominican?) hired to whack somebody in the DR, working in concert with ten other people, mistakes probably the most famous Dominican who's ever lived (and who's highly distinctive looking in any case) for his intended target in a public place. Sure, seems legit.
The problem seems to be that the shooter mistook Ortiz for a freezer:
Former Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz was shot in the back by a gunman who mistook him for the real target, another man who was seated at the same table at an outdoor cafe, Dominican officials said Wednesday.

The Dominican Republic's attorney general and the national police director told reporters that the attempted murder was ordered from the United States by Victor Hugo Gomez, an associate of Mexico's Gulf Cartel. They said Gomez had hired a gang of killers to eliminate his cousin, whom Gomez suspected of turning him in to Dominican drug investigators in 2011.

The cousin, Sixto David Fernandez, was seated with the former baseball star on the night of June 9, when a gunman approached and fired a single shot at Ortiz, the officials said. Fernandez owned an auto-repair shop and was friends with Ortiz, according to Attorney General Jean Alain Rodriguez and Maj. Gen. Ney Aldrin Bautista Almonte, director of the Dominican Republic's national police.
. . .
At least 11 people have been arrested in the case so far, ranging from the alleged gunman to a series of drivers and relatively minor accomplices. Rodriguez and Bautista said the case of mistaken identity began when one of the accomplices snapped a blurry photo of Fernandez seated at the Dial Bar and Lounge in an upscale section of Santo Domingo. In the photo, a white freezer obscures Fernandez's lower body. Ortiz was wearing white pants on the night of the shooting and the law-enforcement official said that the gunman, Rolfy Ferreyra, mistook him for the target and fired.

Never wear white after Labor Day in the Dominican Republic. More nicknames at link.
   100. puck Posted: June 19, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5853860)
Well, they did hit Fernandez after all, right? They had reported he was injured by the bullet after it went through Ortiz.
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