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Friday, July 18, 2014

7-18-14 OMNICHATTER

Let’s get this started again! The second half begins!

Gamingboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 12:17 AM | 81 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4753431)
Love the All-Star game. Hate the All-Star break.
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:58 AM (#4753433)
Love the All-Star game. Hate the All-Star break.


Seconded.

No reason not to get back to work last night.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4753485)
Last night my little league team had the bases loaded. One of the dad's watching the game told our batter as he walked from the on deck circle "I'll give you $20 if you hit a grand slam." Two of the other dads agreed. One pitch later they were reaching for their wallets.

Of course because he is 11 his next two at bats he had weak pop ups because he was pulling off the ball trying to hit another home run.
   4. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4753515)
Last night my little league team had the bases loaded.

You still play Little League???

I've been a bit out of touch, what with work and all this week, but I thought I missed the Winter Meetings. I guess they're next week. That should liven up this place a bit when the deals are announced. I can't wait for Spring Training. Ho hum. No baseball. blahhhhhh.
   5. stanmvp48 Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4753536)
I think, if I remember correctly, that there used to be games the night after the ASG.
   6. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4753585)
Last night my little league team had the bases loaded. One of the dad's watching the game told our batter as he walked from the on deck circle "I'll give you $20 if you hit a grand slam." Two of the other dads agreed. One pitch later they were reaching for their wallets.


And so began the career of Pete Rose III.
   7. dr. scott Posted: July 18, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4753702)
I think, if I remember correctly, that there used to be games the night after the ASG.


Yea, this whole two days of no games things has me very confused. Has this happened before? Granted it allowed me to finish up the SABRX 101 course... well almost. In the middle of answering some of the last questions I apparently missed the cutoff which best i can tell was midnight last night. Oh well.
   8. Willie Mayspedester Posted: July 18, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4753737)
Yea, this whole two days of no games things has me very confused. Has this happened before? Granted it allowed me to finish up the SABRX 101 course... well almost. In the middle of answering some of the last questions I apparently missed the cutoff which best i can tell was midnight last night. Oh well.


Sabermatics can be cruel sometimes.
   9. dr. scott Posted: July 18, 2014 at 02:14 PM (#4753740)
I did finally learn why its called regression analysis though.... Eugenics!!!!

scary stuff.
   10. DA Baracus Posted: July 18, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4753774)
Dan Uggla has finally been released.
   11. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: July 18, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4753775)
   12. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: July 18, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4753777)
Damn you, Baracus.
   13. dr. scott Posted: July 18, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4753871)
I was goin to make a snide remark that the Giants should pick him up as he cant be worse than Brandon Hicks, but holy cow... Hicks has ~1.5 more WAR than Uggla this year... and Hicks is at 0.4. I guess it really is time to Panik.
   14. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: July 18, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4753886)
MLB changed it from one day off after the all star game to two a couple of years ago. I think the reasoning was to give the all stars an extra day off, so you would be less likely to have players skip the game to get extra rest or family time.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 06:07 PM (#4753930)
Cardinals are going to skip Wainwrights next start to give him more rest.... The Cardinals have one of the better schedules for resting players coming up in the next week or two and are giving their only healthy good starter time off....I don't even think the Cardinals have 4 other healthy starters right now....Miller has been struggling lately(to the point that it might be in his best interest to send down to the minors for a few weeks) Martinez can't get through 5 innings yet, Kelly just got off the DL....
   16. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: July 18, 2014 at 06:21 PM (#4753940)
Time for Bryce Harper to finally start hitting, so we can commence running away wirh this division the way that we should!
   17. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: July 18, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4753970)
Best umpires in the world.
   18. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: July 18, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4753998)
All hail Lil' Stevie, the anti BABIP king.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:24 PM (#4754007)
Tim McCarver is again bad mouthing shifts.... "I have noticed that over the past month or so that shifts throughout baseball have lost their luster....last time the Cardinals faced the Dodgers and Adrian Gonzalez, the shift was on, this time it's not."


Umm, Tim, there is a man on second base right now.... A plus baserunner in Hanley Ramirez is on second, a bunt against the shift is a guarantee he is going to score... on top of that, putting the shift on, would give Ramirez third base.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:29 PM (#4754011)
Haren leads off with a strikeout, per a previous thread that is another consecutive game with a strikeout. (he's top ten in history from what someone was able to discover) (10th all time with now 251 games)
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:32 PM (#4754014)
Wong is having a heck of a July. He might win his second rookie of the month...(yes it's relatively early of course and only has 28 at bats this month compared to Hamilton's 52 or David Peralta's 41)
   22. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:32 PM (#4754015)
Cardinals are going to skip Wainwrights next start to give him more rest

Nahhh, that's the Cards' version of the Witness Protection Program. You know why.
   23. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4754016)
Cardinals are going to skip Wainwrights next start to give him more rest.

so throwing batting practice fastballs tuckers him out?
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:34 PM (#4754017)
Matt Holliday just drilled that ball off the base of the wall. Cardinals up 1-0 in the first inning (back to back doubles from Wong and Holliday.) Holliday who a lot of the Cardinal fans consider a choker is hitting .352/.438/.466/.904 with risp.
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:35 PM (#4754019)
so throwing batting practice fastballs tuckers him out?


I think there has been a nagging injury with him all season long, he's already skipped one start earlier in the season, I think the team is being overly cautious for a reason, but the team without Wainwright is scary.

Cardinals have 3 days off in the next 11 days, so someone was probably going to get skipped anyway.
   26. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:38 PM (#4754020)
Ryan Braun getting booooooed lustily in our Nation's Crapital. OTOH, Jean Segura got a nice extended round of applause as he walked to the plate his first time up. #BestFansInBaseball
   27. bobm Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:41 PM (#4754024)
[20] Haren's streak was not active.

bobm Posted: July 12, 2014 at 07:52 AM (#4749337)
Longest Streak with SO>=1 From 1914 to 2014

Rk Name Strk Start End Games

10 Dan Haren 2004-09-08 2012-05-03 250

   28. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4754025)
kyle's fastball doesn't have the movement he needs to get guys to hit the ball off center. they are squaring up
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:43 PM (#4754026)
Cardinals are skipping both Wainwright and Miller first start out of the all star break... this break could be a boon to the pitchers health.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:44 PM (#4754027)
Haren's streak was not active.


Oops, I didn't check that part, so he's out of the running then.
   31. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:45 PM (#4754031)
The Indians are calling up a pitcher named CC Lee? That's so awesome.
   32. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4754032)
span pulls a brewer baserunning mistake there
   33. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:47 PM (#4754034)
put laroche in a wool senators uniform from 1937 and he would fit right in.
   34. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:55 PM (#4754040)
The Indians are calling up a pitcher named CC Lee? That's so awesome.
In a wistful sort of way, sure.
   35. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 08:59 PM (#4754042)
McCarver just said that no team, including the 1927 Yankees would have beaten the 2004 Red Sox in the World series.... Oh please. Yes they stomped our ass, but they weren't unbeatable.
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4754045)
McCarver is arguing that Holliday is playing too deep in left field against Dee Gordon(a slap hitting left handed bat) I understand what McCarver is trying to argue, but with Gordan you can't let him slice a ball that reaches the corner, even in left field, I think Holliday is playing him right, yes he might poke a single, but he won't be able to get a triple there.
   37. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4754048)
So naturally, in his first game back at the Rogers Centre against his old team, J.P. ".133 AVG" Arencibia hits a 3-run HR to bury the Jays 5-0.
   38. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4754049)
I get to watch the Nats game and get my Bob Uecker fix at the same time.

Wow. Zimmerman with that lollipop throw across the diamond, was Segura safe? Hmmmm.

Now awaiting 1st level replay.

Now going to Blue for the 2nd level replay.

This is so exciting.
   39. Every Inge Counts Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4754060)
I hate the Tigers bullpen.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4754069)
I always love it when the hit and run works....although Holliday hitting a homerun to center pretty much negated any advantage of the runner moving...Cardinals up 3-0.

McCarver after the play(in which he was predicting the hit and run) "Well that is one way to avoid the double play".
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4754071)
Holliday is doing the milestones today....400th career double earlier in the game and now his 1000th run scored.
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4754077)
I bag on McCarver and McLaughlin simply because I don't like them, but as a team, (and yes I have mentioned this before) they are a pretty good team. McLaughlin doesn't put up nearly the number of personal insults like he does with Horton/Hrabosky in an attempt to be funny, as it's very apparent he has a deferential respect for McCarver, while McCarver may not like the stat side, appears to not want to rock the boat, so he lets McLaughlin do his thing and says just enough to get the broadcast going. McCarver has been absolutely fantastic this year with the 'old player' stories, it helps that he has Bob Gibson and Steve Carlton to fall back on of course, but even lesser player stories, he has done a great job, and I'm 100% serious when I say the following, no Cardinal announcer over the past decade has done as much homework in prepping for a broadcast than McCarver has this year. It's not even close.
   43. Dan Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:09 PM (#4754080)
I always thought McCarver would do well if he got back to working on covering one team, especially the Cardinals. His stories worked a lot less on national tv than they do when he's covering the Cardinals already and wants to talk about Bob Gibson. I think he also suffered on the national broadcasts because he clearly doesn't watch all 30 teams at all, but it's easy to see him actually getting into following and prepping for the game better once he's sticking to covering the one team.
   44. Rob_Wood Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:13 PM (#4754083)
McCarver broadcast Giants games one season long ago and he was beyond terrible. His lack of familiarity with the Giants players was exacerbated by his "know-it-all" attitude. It was like listening to the loud-mouth at the end of the bar nonstop during every game of a long season. Several times a week he'd say something so profoundly stupid that you'd swear he had never seen a baseball game before.

   45. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM (#4754085)
I think he also suffered on the national broadcasts because he clearly doesn't watch all 30 teams


The thing is that he is able to pull less than famous names from all the teams without missing a beat. His national broadcast experience is very clear in that he can come up with quotes, comments and names even on teams the Cardinals are not playing. Obviously a lot of that is prep. You can see that before the game someone tells him and McLaughlin some point of views to bring up...but that is still impressive, because even though Horton is a near full on stat disciple, he doesn't have fact recall on par with McCarver, and Al Hrabosky has regressed to a bitter old man, because he and everyone else knows he's the odd man out and even on the radio broadcast Shannon is an Alzheimer victim, couldn't tell you anything about the current game but give you a play by play of a game from the 80's, and Rooney, who is awesome, is dragged down by the decline of Shannon and does his best to just get the game situation broadcast..

I didn't want to like McCarver, but I absolutely can see why he was picked up for the national broadcast.
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM (#4754086)
McCarver broadcast Giants games one season long ago and he was beyond terrible. His lack of familiarity with the Giants players was exacerbated by his "know-it-all" attitude. It was like listening to the loud-mouth at the end of the bar nonstop during every game of a long season. Several times a week he'd say something so profoundly stupid that you'd swear he had never seen a baseball game before.


And that is what I was expecting from him as a Cardinal broadcaster. He's restrained his know-it-all attitude that was one of the reasons I wasn't looking forward to it, and he's done a significant amount of prepping which again is something that surprises me. I don't expect it to last, he's only supposed to do about 30 or so games this season, but at that rate, he's been pretty good.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:23 PM (#4754088)
Cardinals up 3-0 in the 6th against the Dodgers with 8 hits...if you would have told me that, the one thing I wouldn't have expected would have been "Carpenter has looked like crap the whole game and hasn't been on base once."
   48. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:23 PM (#4754089)
A lot of that is handed to them in the media guide. All he has to do is read it and not forget it.
   49. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4754090)
I'll freely admit I liked McCarver for many years. As Reynolds is demonstrating it was pretty easy for Fox to do worse. Tim definitely lost his fastball towards the end but the guy is in his 70s, most non-Scullys do. One of the things that I liked is that I didn't get the sense he was trolling. Yeah sometimes he said weird things (the whole walk better than a home run leading off an inning thing) but for better or worse I think he believed what he said.

I'll get more specific. Several years ago Manny Ramirez played a couple of innings with a water bottle in his back pocket. Tim was somewhere between perplexed and angry and wouldn't shut up about it. It was kind of annoying but I got the sense that for whatever reason this bothered him. Joe Buck by contrast threw that hissy fit when Randy Moss did the fake-mooning touchdown celebration and that always sounded contrived to me. I didn't get the impression Buck was really offended just that he knew he was supposed to be offended so he took his shots.
   50. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4754094)
Pirates just took the lead 3-2 in bottom 8th, now have runners at 3B, 2B with nobody out. Curious to know: why would the Rockies pitch out in that situation? The Pirates could easily score even with a sac fly, so were they expecting the runner at 3B to steal home? Weird.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4754095)
A lot of that is handed to them in the media guide. All he has to do is read it and not forget it.


I love the media guide... it's about the only place where you can get full DL records for an active player on that team. (I think Prospectus has finally got that information, but their data is such a pain to navigate...and often times restricted)

I don't really care where he gets the information from, the point is that he does a good job of putting that information out there. Again I didn't want to like McCarver, his national broadcasts were painful to listen too, but I also make it a point to re-evaluate every broadcaster based upon the current season, as I've seen Shannon go from poor, to very good, to pitiful , to decent and now back to poor, in the past 15 years. Horton go from a self effacing douche with nothing but Whitey Herzog stories, to a competent stat based color guy. Al going from a guy who every broadcast was an attempt to find a way to bag on the cubs, while being one of the best at picking up the interaction between the pitcher, batter and runner to a pretty mean old man that is doing the job out of momentum and not any love for the job anymore.

Dodgers have just came back to make it 3-2....ugh..

   52. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:38 PM (#4754096)
Pirates just took the lead 3-2 in bottom 8th, now have runners at 3B, 2B with nobody out. Curious to know: why would the Rockies pitch out in that situation? The Pirates could easily score even with a sac fly, so were they expecting the runner at 3B to steal home? Weird.


It wasn't to prevent the steal, it was to predict whether or not they were going to try the squeeze there.
   53. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4754101)
Ouch! Marte took a pitch off his helmet in the 7th, left the game as a precaution. Looked nasty, but he looked OK. Pirates TV just showed a replay.
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4754104)
Ouch! Marte took a pitch off his helmet in the 7th, left the game as a precaution. Looked nasty, but he looked OK. Pirates TV just showed a replay.


I cannot believe there was a time where they didn't wear helmets. That just seems scary to me, considering that the first major league team started using it in 1941 yet it didn't become mandatory until 1970, is just nuts to me.
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:05 PM (#4754105)
Frustrating part of the announcers is when they start to say something interesting and get interrupted.... Supposedly there might be something going on with Papelbon and the Dodgers?(Maybe Van Slyke?)
   56. greenback calls it soccer Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:11 PM (#4754107)
Tony Cruz's swing reminds me of Ryan Theriot's swing.
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4754113)
Cardinals win, 3-2....1 more run to match the number of runs scored in the four game series against the Dodger the other week.
   58. stanmvp48 Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:22 PM (#4754115)
why was the Pirates run in the seventh inning earned?
   59. stanmvp48 Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:28 PM (#4754120)
great base running in the Angels game
   60. PeteF3 Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4754122)
why was the Pirates run in the seventh inning earned?


There was only 1 out when the throwing error occurred. Change Harrison's ROE into a groundout and keep everything else the same, and Mercer still scores.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:38 PM (#4754124)
There was only 1 out when the throwing error occurred. Change Harrison's ROE into a groundout and keep everything else the same, and Mercer still scores.


Not really...

Pitching Change: Rex Brothers replaces Jorge De La Rosa, batting 9th.
1.Pedro Alvarez strikes out swinging,
2.Jordy Mercer singles
wild pitch by Rex Brothers, Jordy Mercer to 2nd.
3.Josh Harrison reaches on a throwing error by third baseman Nolan Arenado.
4.Gregory Polanco singles on a line drive to left fielder Corey Dickerson. Jordy Mercer to 3rd. Josh Harrison to 2nd.
5.Starling Marte hit by pitch. Jordy Mercer scores. Josh Harrison to 3rd. Gregory Polanco to 2nd.
6.Andrew McCutchen strikes out swinging.
7.Russell Martin flies out to right fielder Carlos Gonzalez.


If Harrison grounds out, then no way does the run score on the hit by pitch, because the bases wouldn't be loaded.

Mind you, I agree with the call, I think the way they create unearned runs is ridiculous, but if you turn the reached on error into a ground out, no run scores.
   62. PeteF3 Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:40 PM (#4754126)
Christ, I misread the PBP. Somehow I thought Mercer scored on the single.
   63. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:47 PM (#4754129)
Anthony Rizzo has two homers today - and is now tied with Stanton for the NL lead. I think we can safely consider the Cubs' key major league youngsters to have recovered from last season at this point.
   64. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:49 PM (#4754130)
I honestly can't say why the call was made, but I think it might have something to do with the fact that they replaced pitchers (the Hit By Pitch was by Ottavino)
   65. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:50 PM (#4754132)
Josh Donaldson almost became "WAS your 2014 AL MVP" just now. Adam Jones shanked a ball to the hole, but his bat split axially with the broken meaty part of the barrel pinwheeling through the air close to where Donaldson had to go to field the ball. He stopped short of where it landed and made the play OK.

Then Steve Pearce made the 2Bman see his future children flash before his eyes as he careened into second in a sitting position as the 2Bman did the splits over Pearce's head. Quite an interesting play.
   66. boteman is here Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:51 PM (#4754133)
Houston Street plus a minor leaguer to the Angels for 4 minor leaguers.
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:51 PM (#4754134)
Anthony Rizzo has two homers today - and is now tied with Stanton for the NL lead.


When was the last time 22 homeruns led the league at the all star break? That just seems a little low.
   68. Dale Sams Posted: July 18, 2014 at 11:52 PM (#4754135)
Did anyone understand what the hell happened on that interference call in the Nats game?
   69. boteman is here Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:03 AM (#4754140)
Nope. Including the umpires and Official Scorer.
   70. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:04 AM (#4754141)
Manny Machado trolling the A's with a go ahead 2 run HR.
   71. boteman is here Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:10 AM (#4754143)
Bob Milacki on for the Orioles now.
   72. boteman is here Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:18 AM (#4754147)
Oakland fans trying to get The Wave started... with the Athletics in the field.
   73. boteman is here Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:23 AM (#4754149)
Wow. Josh Donaldson just MIGHT BE your 2014 AL MVP. He made a nice grab of a hotshot and started a round-the-horn double play to retire the Orioles.
   74. boteman is here Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:41 AM (#4754154)
Don't touch that dial, the A's are making it interesting.
   75. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:42 AM (#4754156)
Damn, Britton has another meltdown. A's walk off with two cheapos and then a no-doubter from Donaldson.
   76. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4754157)
Wow. Take that Orioles...and here comes the pie for Donaldson...
   77. boteman is here Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:44 AM (#4754158)
Wow! Josh Donaldson IS your 2014 AL MVP. What a shot to deep CF. It looked like a sinker at the knees and he uncoiled and mashed that tater outta there!
   78. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:45 AM (#4754159)
Josh Donaldson IS your 2014 AL MVP.
   79. Dan Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:47 AM (#4754160)
Donaldson!!!
   80. DKDC Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:47 AM (#4754162)
This series is going to be real interesting.

Constant boos from the A's faithful every time Machado steps to the plate or touches the ball. Manny turns it around with a stellar game at the plate including a huge HR, but A's have the last laugh.

And I don't think the O's will forget the three HBP, including one off the helmet and another around the head.

At least no ground was lost in the division.
   81. cardsfanboy Posted: July 19, 2014 at 12:55 AM (#4754164)
At least no ground was lost in the division.


The National League right now is an NFL fan's wet dream.... I don't mind one or two seasons with parity, but it ultimately can be boring if there are no great teams out there.

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