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Friday, August 16, 2013

A-Rod implicated fellow players in doping investigation

“60 Minutes” has learned that members of New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez’s inner circle in February obtained and leaked documents that implicated Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun as well as his own Yankees teammate, catcher Francisco Cervelli, in the doping scandal that has enveloped Major League Baseball.

eddieot Posted: August 16, 2013 at 01:59 PM | 68 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4520330)
I have to say that it is a little odd that A-Rod has been implicated more than once while others were protected. Yes, it's a dick move, but it is odd that Miami New Times would redact Braun's name to begin with.
   2. Esoteric Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:21 PM (#4520334)
BACK! PRIMER IS BACK! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!

I was going crazy without it. Felt like I'd joined a monastery or something.

Oh wait, wots this about A-Rod ratting people out?
   3. KronicFatigue Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4520342)
The only comfort I got during the blackout was seeing WJ in equal pain over at rlyw.net
   4. JE (Jason) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:26 PM (#4520343)
They turned the machines back on! They turned the machines back on!
   5. Rusty Priske Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:32 PM (#4520354)
Wait a minute... I thought A-Rod was getting a bigger suspension in part because he impeded the investigation.

This makes it sound like he HELPED the investigation....
   6. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4520357)
If MLB were to present evidence that Rodriguez's camp knowingly leaked additional Bosch business records, it might demonstrate that Rodriguez's camp had not only obtained them to keep them out of the hands of investigators


Which obviously didn't happen since the investigators did get them.

but that he actively sought to interfere with baseball's investigation by releasing other players' names.


How is releasing more information interfering with an investigation?
If MLB didn't have the documents (because ARod was trying to keep them out of their hands, like they claim), then how is releasing the information to the media considered "interfering"?

MLB can't have it both ways...

Edit: Coke to the Priske.

   7. Rob_Wood Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:33 PM (#4520358)

Yes, he did both.
   8. Karl from NY Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:34 PM (#4520362)
Wait a minute... I thought A-Rod was getting a bigger suspension in part because he impeded the investigation.

This makes it sound like he HELPED the investigation....

It could be both. Perhaps he gave names as this article says, but then refused to cooperate with details on implicating them further.
   9. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:38 PM (#4520367)
This makes it sound like he HELPED the investigation....


I think that would be a great PR angle for A-Rod to take. Take credit for nailing Braun. Start claiming that the only reason he ever went to Biogenesis was so he could root out the players that were using. That sort of thing.

But I see his people have already denied it. That's boring!
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:39 PM (#4520369)
And sometimes people wonder why players aren't willing to name names of PED users....
   11. Döner Kebap Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4520376)
Isn't the assumption that possession of docs (which were then released to press), is proof of an attempt to impede the investigation? Like, it doesn't matter if MLB had the same docs, obtaining the docs (thinking he was keeping them from MLB) was an attempt to impede the investigation. The attempt doesn't have to be successful to constitute a violation, right?
   12. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:44 PM (#4520379)
I thought ARod obstructed the investigation. Now he was fingering users for them?
   13. Joey B. "disrespects the A" Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4520380)
Oh, what I would give to know what his fellow players think about this piece of shitt NOW, given that most of them already hated him even before this little doozy came out.

Given that one of the guys he hung out to dry was his own freaking teammate, I'll bet that almost everyone in a Yankee uniform would love to drag him out back and give him the beating of a lifetime.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:50 PM (#4520385)
More leaking from MLB? Seems fishy. Withholding judgment.
   15. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4520387)
Joey, maybe if you try real hard you can get ARod charged with the Kennedy assassination.
   16. zonk Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:54 PM (#4520391)
FWIW, I think what A-Rod allegedly did (implicating other players) also happens to be in breach of the CBA... Poor A-rod... if there's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - A-Rod has a really neat way of finding his way into it.
   17. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 02:56 PM (#4520394)
I fully expect A-Rod to get plunked ASAP. Further, I fully expect Girardi and the Yankees to do absolutely nothing about it.
   18. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:03 PM (#4520401)
Why would fingering players be a bad thing, anyway? I thought the players were en masse against steroids use.

We would finger child molesters. And PED use is now baseball's equivalent.

So now there is supposed to be a code of silence to protect the cheaters? People are all over the map here.
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:03 PM (#4520403)
I have never seen a dogpile like this in professional sports in my lifetime. It's bizarre.
   20. Bob Tufts Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:06 PM (#4520406)
Another story to doubt. How could A-Rod get 211 days if he helped deliver Braun to MLB?

And I am interested in some of the feedback from the maximum sentence crowd. We want the game to be clean, A-Rod names players (supposedly) to make sure they are punished and comments focus on relations with the Yankees and teammates not ratting each other out being as more important?
   21. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4520415)
And I am interested in some of the feedback from the maximum sentence crowd.


Oh, that's easy.

"News reports say that Alex Rodriguez..."

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE

"...attempted to assist MLB in ridding the world of the evil scourge of steroids."

BURN HIM AT THE STAKE

(repeat ad JoeyBseum)
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:13 PM (#4520416)
People are all over the map here.


No, it's entirely consistent. Whatever Alex Rodriguez does is not only bad, but worse than what anyone else does. It makes perfect sense.
   23. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4520428)
No, it's entirely consistent. Whatever Alex Rodridguez does is not only bad, but worse than what anyone else does. It makes perfect sense.


As I said the other day, Bill Madden actually critized ARod for being honest enough to admit to steroids use in 2009. (Madden: "He should have denied it like Ortiz but ARod is not too bright.")

Madden's ire directed towards ARod was because of "multiple violations." As if ARod is the only player who (allegedly) used more than once. You see, all the other players just stuck a needle in their arms one Tuesday and never stuck themselves again. Or at most they used one substance, not multiple substances, and when that one substance ran out they never used anything again. They never used in multiple years. It was just that one time.

Also, no amphetamines user ever popped a pill more than once. They did it just one day -- and that was all.

ARod is the only one.
   24. Danny Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4520439)
FWIW, I think what A-Rod allegedly did (implicating other players) also happens to be in breach of the CBA

I think A-Rod could get out of that by citing Section 6(A)(4) of the JDA:
Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Attachment 18, either Party may disclose publicly details of a Player’s test results, testing history and/or the Player’s challenge to discipline imposed pursuant to Section 8 below to the extent necessary to respond to any inaccurate or misleading claims by that Player that could undermine the integrity and/or credibility of the Program.

He could argue that he was responding to Braun's "inaccurate or misleading claims" about Braun's PED use and testing history that "undermine[d] the integrity and/or credibility of the Program."

It's also not all that clear that the confidentiality clauses even apply here, since it wasn't about a test or the program and there was no ongoing investigation of Braun.
   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4520443)
ARod is also the only steroids user to hit a home run off of John Lackey.
   26. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:27 PM (#4520445)
I wonder what penalty might result if ARod can show that MLB violated the confidentiality provisions of the JDA.

I mean, Bill Madden seems to have a pipeline right into Selig's office. And he admitted such on the air. Madden has basically been acting as Selig's mouthpiece all along.

How did we know a day or two prior that the suspension would be for exactly 214 games (211 once the three-day waiting period was taken into account)?
   27. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:29 PM (#4520446)
I wonder what penalty might result if ARod can show that MLB violated the confidentiality provisions.

I'd be OK with it if he got $1 a la USFL v NFL.
   28. Swedish Chef Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:31 PM (#4520449)
I have never seen a dogpile like this in professional sports in my lifetime. It's bizarre

Italian soccer would qualify, but they have it all the ####### time, so it's just business as usual there.
   29. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:36 PM (#4520456)
Italian soccer would qualify, but they have it all the ####### time, so it's just business as usual there.

Well, yeah. I love Serie A, but I think of it more as the circus than professional sports...
   30. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:48 PM (#4520476)
Now he was fingering users for them?


The correct verb is "hoofing," no?
   31. Jim Kaat on a hot Gene Roof Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:49 PM (#4520479)
So now there is supposed to be a code of silence to protect the cheaters? People are all over the map here.


No, they aren't. The players probably _are_ nearly "en masse against steroids." The issue isn't that any old player is a snitch; it's that a cheater, already caught in a trap, snitched in the process of squirming like a weasel out of that trap, for all the good it did him. If a clean player had snitched, it wouldn't be nearly the story. ARod's snitching confirms what normal, non Cheating-Is-Awesome-Because-I-Am-A-Randroid-Mental-Infant-Who-Worships-Ruthless-Achievers-For-Their-Own-Sake, people believe about him: that he's a creep.
   32. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 16, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4520480)
The correct verb is "hoofing," no?

So, he's still hanging around loose women, huh?
   33. Hank G. Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4520504)
You see, all the other players just stuck a needle in their arms one Tuesday and never stuck themselves again. Or at most they used one substance, not multiple substances, and when that one substance ran out they never used anything again. They never used in multiple years. It was just that one time.


And that one time was to recover from an injury.
   34. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:25 PM (#4520509)
I fully expect A-Rod to get plunked ASAP.
The Yankees could use the baserunner.
   35. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:34 PM (#4520516)
So who is the guy in A-Rods circle who did this and how does a third parties actions have any bearing on A-Rod?
   36. base ball chick Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:44 PM (#4520526)
youd think selig would be kissing this guy's ass if he had really helped to nail That EVULLLL ryan braun, who escaped justice because of a technicality

but it is more proof that this is selig and gang personal vendetta
   37. Ray K Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4520529)
The issue isn't that any old player is a snitch; it's that a cheater, already caught in a trap, snitched in the process of squirming like a weasel out of that trap, for all the good it did him


#31 I kind of see it that way.

Maybe A-Rod's team thought he could get a lesser punishment by ratting out other cheats and greatly miscalculated. Perhaps he gave MLB information that it already possessed.

It all depends on his motivations for ratting out the other players. When Canseco ratted out players in his book, it raised my impression of Canseco. But he was a outspoken steroid advocate.

Regardless, in the eyes of other players, it probably just makes him both a rat and a cheat.

So who is the guy in A-Rods circle who did this and how does a third parties actions have any bearing on A-Rod?


No way that they have the documents without A-Rod's OK.
   38. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:47 PM (#4520530)
Given that one of the guys he hung out to dry was his own freaking teammate, I'll bet that almost everyone in a Yankee uniform would love to drag him out back and give him the beating of a lifetime.


No need to beat a dead horse.
   39. Publius Publicola Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4520538)
38 is awesome.
   40. Esoteric Posted: August 16, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4520539)
Always have to do a gutcheck when I find myself agreeing with Retardo, but I do.
   41. Publius Publicola Posted: August 16, 2013 at 05:01 PM (#4520547)
They're saying on ESPN that A-Rod is about to address the media shortly.

I'm willing to bet my 401K that he gascans the situation.
   42. Moeball Posted: August 16, 2013 at 05:51 PM (#4520586)
Apparently, the magic formula his whole career has been "A-Rod = Hits".

On the field - lots of hits off the bat.

Off the field/in the media - now it means post anything with his name involved and the pinata is in play!
   43. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 16, 2013 at 06:32 PM (#4520620)
Naming targets of an investigation gives the targets notice, and so impedes the investigation of them. The more resistance received from all targets, the harder it is to make any one case. The more failures, the more tarnished becomes the investigation as a whole.
   44. Bruce Markusen Posted: August 16, 2013 at 06:38 PM (#4520628)
No. 31 is on the money. Said perfectly.
   45. spike Posted: August 16, 2013 at 06:39 PM (#4520629)
From the people that brought you the GWB National Guard Memogate...
   46. Chip Posted: August 16, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4520632)
Naming targets of an investigation gives the targets notice, and so impedes the investigation of them. The more resistance received from all targets, the harder it is to make any one case. The more failures, the more tarnished becomes the investigation as a whole.


Except that people in the commissioner's office were leaking like mad about Biogenesis long before this particular story ran. Any player who had done any business with Bosch would have known for months that they were a potential target.
   47. Esoteric Posted: August 16, 2013 at 06:41 PM (#4520633)
From the people that brought you the GWB National Guard Memogate...
Wasn't that 60 Minutes II? The one run into the ground by Dan Rather?
   48. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 16, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4520646)
44 and 31 in agreement. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This issue makes for the strangest bedfellows.

(I also agree with 31)
   49. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 07:17 PM (#4520658)
Naming targets of an investigation gives the targets notice, and so impedes the investigation of them. The more resistance received from all targets, the harder it is to make any one case. The more failures, the more tarnished becomes the investigation as a whole.


Yes, because guilty people often cooperate with investigations into their behavior.

   50. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 16, 2013 at 07:20 PM (#4520662)
Always have to do a gutcheck when I find myself agreeing with Retardo, but I do.


The thing is that if people who are accused of using - or ARod - are so evil that they shouldn't even be allowed to play before given a fair hearing, then certainly outing users is a good thing regardless of whether the snitch is a user or not.
   51. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 16, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4520688)
The thing is that if people who are accused of using - or ARod - are so evil that they shouldn't even be allowed to play before given a fair hearing, then certainly outing users is a good thing regardless of whether the snitch is a user or not.

Yes, unless the snitch is A-Rod, in which case it becomes a bad thing. See post 22 for the governing principle.
   52. Squash Posted: August 16, 2013 at 08:41 PM (#4520754)
Except that people in the commissioner's office were leaking like mad about Biogenesis long before this particular story ran. Any player who had done any business with Bosch would have known for months that they were a potential target.

Is that true? That doesn't seem to mesh with the chronology. The Miami New Times broke the story in January 2013, which was the first anyone had heard about any of this, and released the initial names (Melky, Bartolo, and Grandal, with speculation on ARod, Braun, and Cruz), then refused MLB's request for their papers. ARod's team supposedly got the non-redacted papers that confirmed Braun and Cervelli in February and leaked them presumably for a "it's not just me" defense. I'm having a hard time seeing how MLB leaks are responsible for this - this seems purely a a Miami New Times/ARod joint. MLB was playing catchup from the start.
   53. Esoteric Posted: August 16, 2013 at 08:45 PM (#4520755)
The thing is that if people who are accused of using - or ARod - are so evil that they shouldn't even be allowed to play before given a fair hearing
But where have I ever contended this? Who are you arguing with, some notional person not involved in this conversation? All I was saying is that I think A-Rod comes off looking like even more of a weasel than before for the reasons put forth by Retardo. (An alternate explanation is that this could have just been rogue members of A-Rod's circle acting without his knowledge in a way that they felt would help him, but that smacks a little too much of "won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest?" to be quite believable.)
   54. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 17, 2013 at 01:51 AM (#4520941)
But where have I ever contended this? Who are you arguing with, some notional person not involved in this conversation?


Please try to follow along. I brought up the point that players should be happy that ARod snitched since the players are as a whole are united in wanting the game rid of steroids users. That was the comment Retardo responded to.

Players such as Lackey have questioned why ARod is even allowed to play. Lackey doesn't seem to think an accused player should be given a fair hearing if he wants one before he is banned from the field.
   55. Chip Posted: August 17, 2013 at 08:15 AM (#4520990)
It may have been weeks, not months, but players who were potential targets would have been aware well before the unredacted Biogenesis list was given to Yahoo Sports. The Miami New Times story was not the first.The Daily News, with its pipeline into the commissioner's office, had already linked A-Rod to Biogenesis, and said MLB investigators had spent months trolling multiple South Florida anti-aging clinics for dirt.
   56. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 17, 2013 at 08:35 AM (#4521003)
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   57. BFFB Posted: August 17, 2013 at 08:47 AM (#4521006)
The thing is that if people who are accused of using - or ARod - are so evil that they shouldn't even be allowed to play before given a fair hearing, then certainly outing users is a good thing regardless of whether the snitch is a user or not.


There are two separate components [1] the benefit provided by information and [2] the motivation of the person providing the information and what it says about their character.

Providing information on users of PEDs openly to a policing organization purely on principle says a completely different thing about a person then providing information when coerced or to try and lessen your own punishment because you got caught.

To not understand that difference, that context you either have to be willfully ignorant or have an autistic spectrum disorder.
   58. Chip Posted: August 17, 2013 at 09:31 AM (#4521027)

Providing information on users of PEDs openly to a policing organization purely on principle says a completely different thing about a person then providing information when coerced or to try and lessen your own punishment because you got caught.

To not understand that difference, that context you either have to be willfully ignorant or have an autistic spectrum disorder.


You're right: the information from Bosch obviously must be dismissed as self-servingly faked.
   59. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 17, 2013 at 09:35 AM (#4521029)
There are two separate components [1] the benefit provided by information and [2] the motivation of the person providing the information and what it says about their character.

Providing information on users of PEDs openly to a policing organization purely on principle says a completely different thing about a person then providing information when coerced or to try and lessen your own punishment because you got caught.

To not understand that difference, that context you either have to be willfully ignorant or have an autistic spectrum disorder.


I think you're missing the point.

It would be an internally consistent position to argue that a player who fingers his teammate in order to "clean up the game" deserves praise (because the evils of PED use outweigh the values of personal loyalty) but that A-Rod nevertheless deserves no credit if he rats on a teammate in an attempt to reduce his own punishment because his motives would be impure and self-serving.

It would also be an internally consistent position to argue that a player's personal loyalties to his teammates should be paramount, and that ratting out a teammate is thus a morally bad thing to do even if it serves the greater good.

However, it starts to get problematic if you simultaneously argue that a non-using player (call him "Jerek Deter") would be a hero if he turned a PED-using teammate in to the authorities but that A-Rod reveals himself as a worse person if he does the same thing to get a benefit for himself, since this requires you claim that the moral rightness of the same action varies with motives of the actor (i.e., that the morally correct thing for A-Rod to do is to protect his teammate but that it is simultaneously morally right for Jerek Deter to turn him in). This isn't impossible -- we certainly draw some convoluted motive-based distinctions like this in other contexts -- but it is a lot more complicated and less self-evident than you seem to think.

   60. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: August 17, 2013 at 11:32 AM (#4521129)
@31/Retardo:

Right on. Sometimes, the Primate group think circlejerk surrounding ARod and PEDs is reminiscent of Ron Paulites yammering about the gold standard.
   61. toratoratora Posted: August 17, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4521153)
Drowned?” It was the stillsuit manufacturer’s daughter.

Paul hesitated, then: “Yes. Immersed in water until dead. Drowned.”

”What an interesting way to die,” she murmured.

Paul’s smile became brittle. He returned his attention to the banker. “The interesting thing about this man was the wounds on his shoulders–made by another fisherman’s claw-boots. This fisherman was one of several in a boat–a craft for traveling on water–that foundered . . . sank beneath the water. Another fisherman helping recover the body said he’d seen marks like this man’s wounds several times. They meant another drowning fisherman had tried to stand on this poor fellow’s shoulders in the attempt to reach up to the surface–to reach air.”

”Why is this interesting?” the banker asked.

”Because of an observation made by my father at the time. He said the drowning man who climbs on your shoulders to save himself is understandable– except when you see it happen in the drawing room.” Paul hesitated just long enough for the banker to see the point coming, then: “And, I should add, except when you see it at the dinner table.”


Or,one might add, MLB
   62. eddieot Posted: August 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM (#4521166)
Only 61 comments since yesterday afternoon coinciding with the dramatic return of BTF???

I think the evidence for A-Rod/PEDs fatigue around here is overwhelming. And thank the lord.
   63. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: August 17, 2013 at 01:28 PM (#4521203)
@31/Retardo:

Right on. Sometimes, the Primate group think circlejerk surrounding ARod and PEDs is reminiscent of Ron Paulites yammering about the gold standard.


I'm always baffled by the utter lack of self awareness evidenced by posts like this...
   64. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 18, 2013 at 02:28 AM (#4521577)
No way that they have the documents without A-Rod's OK.


This is of course both missing the point, as well as obviously untrue. A-Rod didn't have sole possession of the documents. Even if he did have copies there had to be at least 3 others who did, if not many more. And there is no proof he ever had them.

But even if you assume for the sake of argument that he did have copies, and that he shared them with his inner circle bemoaning the unfairness of his persecution when Braun and others were being shielded. Even if you can prove all of that, you can't prove that some lawyer, legal clerk, angry friend or sympathetic family member decided to share them without A-Rod's permission. I'm sure his friends were all approached multiple times by writers looking for scoops, it's impossible to say that one didn't say "enough's enough, let me tell you what really happened".

And of course, if A-Rod did tell a friend to rat on other players doesn't even seem wrong to me, it's not like they had some obligation to each other. It was the truth, and if Cervelli and Braun didn't want to be exposed they could have played clean. They can't expect to get to walk away as the "good guys" while other guys who did the exact same thing all the heat.
   65. Squash Posted: August 18, 2013 at 03:34 AM (#4521582)
The Miami New Times story was not the first.The Daily News, with its pipeline into the commissioner's office, had already linked A-Rod to Biogenesis, and said MLB investigators had spent months trolling multiple South Florida anti-aging clinics for dirt.

How do we know the Daily News's theoretical pipeline into the commissioner's office is what led them to Biogenesis? How do we know there is a pipeline at all? The Miami New Times was apparently working independently of MLB and got further than they did - how do we know the Daily News wasn't working with someone else as well? The source they cite could be literally anybody - the commissioner's office yes, but also the DEA, local law enforcement, someone at the clinic such as the Miami New Times used, someone in the community down there. And the word trolling doesn't really fit here, given that ARod and many other players were in fact getting PEDs from South Florida anti-aging clinics.

I just honestly don't get all the vitriol toward MLB regarding this subject. These players were in fact breaking the rules of the CBA their Player's Association had agreed to, and MLB had recently been called in front of Congress and berated about getting PEDs out of baseball. What do people think MLB was supposed to do? Get called in front of Congress, get berated, get ####-tons of bad press, pass new PED regulations that were agreed to by the MLBPA ... and then not try to enforce those regulations? It just doesn't make any sense. That's an honest question - what do people think MLB was supposed to/should have done? The answer isn't "nothing", because that means ending up in front of Congress again and that's not a road anybody wants to go down. So seriously: in light of the new CBA, with the specter of Congress looking over this, and the knowledge that players were still using PEDs, what should MLB have done?
   66. AJMcCringleberry Posted: August 18, 2013 at 08:31 AM (#4521603)
That's an honest question - what do people think MLB was supposed to/should have done?

Not file frivolous lawsuits, bribe witnesses, and threaten to ban people for life?
   67. Ron J Posted: August 18, 2013 at 08:39 AM (#4521606)
#66 Speak on the record or shut the #### up.
   68. Squash Posted: August 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4521755)
#66 Speak on the record or shut the #### up.

Again, how do you know these leaks are coming from MLB? They could just as easily be coming from all those other sources I mentioned. Given that we're commenting on an article that is about exactly that (a major leak coming from a non-MLB source), perhaps we might not be so hasty in assuming that all these leaks are official leaks coming from MLB. Official leaks are incredibly rare because they're dangerous and often counterproductive - you gain nothing but tip off the other side if you leak something about a guy you're going to go after regardless. Usually leakers are one guy who decides a la Snowden that he has something he must share with the world. I would bet very large sums of money that's what pretty much all of these supposed official MLB leaks have actually been - one guy who for reasons of fervor or narcissism or because he knows a guy spouting off.

Not file frivolous lawsuits, bribe witnesses, and threaten to ban people for life?

Nobody has been banned for life, and the idea that people would be banned for life was pure speculation and apparently not true, as MLB's unfiltered ARod punishment was a season and change, even for what was supposedly multiple documented violations. Regarding bribing witnesses, who has been bribed? MLB paid for documents that the other side (ARod) was trying to buy and destroy - again, what was MLB supposed to do? Sit back and say well, that sucks, guess we'll get the next one? The frivolous lawsuits complaint seems like small fry as I doubt if MLB hadn't sued Bosch (EDIT, excuse me) then everyone here would be fine with everything else, but again, what was MLB supposed to do? They HAVE to make a response every time this stuff comes up or Congress, the media, and a very large percentage of their fanbase is all over them. They don't have the option to sit any of these occurrences out or they're going to get pilloried.

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