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Thursday, September 13, 2018

A-Rod on Hall of Fame hopes: ‘I want to get in, I hope I get in, I pray I get in’

Alex Rodriguez has Baseball Hall of Fame numbers, but he’s no lock. Turns out, voters care about how those numbers were accumulated, and A-Rod is one of the few Hall of Fame hopefuls who served a suspension for using performance-enhancing drugs.

Rodriguez, who has transitioned seamlessly into the broadcast booth, is aware that he has an uphill battle, but he still hopes and prays he gets into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

A-Rod revealed that during an interview with Marvin R. Shanken of Cigar Aficionado.

For those of you who are interested in this in his own words, here’s the interview

QLE Posted: September 13, 2018 at 06:07 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: arod, cigars, hall of fame, peds

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   1. rconn23 Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5743481)
Narrator: He didn't get in.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:39 AM (#5743496)
I smoke one cigar per year, on average, and I never don't regret it. They're disgusting.
   3. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5743519)
I completely understand why people don't like cigars but I couldn't disagree more. A good cigar is wonderful. Among other things it kind of creates an enforced "sit around and do nothing" that is good for me.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5743527)
Among other things it kind of creates an enforced "sit around and do nothing" that is good for me.


I get that, but it's not worth the ashtray mouth.
   5. phredbird Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5743584)

i think the BBWAA is still over subscribed with dumbass dinosaurs who will see this kind of behavior on his part as being a little too eager and unseemly. not that i don't agree, he's always struck me as cringingly artificial in the way he carries himself.

that said, i'd still vote him in.
   6. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5743586)
If I'm going to smoke something, I prefer hookah. The flavor is better and I don't get the ashtray mouth that PF mentioned.
   7. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5743587)
I get that, but it's not worth the ashtray mouth.

And it lingers. I'm in the one per year club as well, and for 2-3 days after I can still taste the lingering fire and ash in the back of my throat.
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5743590)
he's always struck me as cringingly artificial in the way he carries himself.

In the media, yes. But he's much more natural when he's just horsing around with the guys on the field.
   9. Omineca Greg Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5743592)
Sounds like Alex needs to put on an old Dusty Springfield record.

There's a lot of wisdom in it.
   10. RoyalFlush Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5743595)
Sounds like Alex needs to put on an old Dusty Springfield record.

There's a lot of wisdom in it.


All the King's Horses?

   11. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5743597)
Sounds like Alex needs to put on an old Dusty Springfield record.

I didn't realize that A-Rods father was a preacher.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5743599)
For a while I owned a hookah that I bought in Istanbul. It was very fun in college, and because you stay seated, it has an even better relaxation vibe than does a cigar, and it's more communal too, and can be more safely enjoyed indoors. I also enjoyed the smooth, fruity flavor. I was surprised to learn that a single hookah session has as much ill effect on your health as does a pack or two of cigarettes.
   13. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5743607)
Sounds like Alex needs to put on an old Dusty Springfield record.


"Wishin' and Hopin'" followed by "I Close My Eyes and Count to Ten (Ballots)" followed by "What Have I Done to Deserve This?"
   14. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5743611)
For a while I owned a hookah that I bought in Istanbul. It was very fun in college, and because you stay seated, it has an even better relaxation vibe than does a cigar, and it's more communal too, and can be more safely enjoyed indoors. I also enjoyed the smooth, fruity flavor. I was surprised to learn that a single hookah session has as much ill effect on your health as does a pack or two of cigarettes.


Yes, that last part is exactly why I never smoke it anymore. I still have it in my basement. I wouldn't mind smoking two or three times a year but I can't in the house so it's kind of an ordeal. I think probably if and when I smoke again it will be at a lounge.
   15. Omineca Greg Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5743648)
I knew you guys wouldn't let me down!

I actually just meant that A-Rod should get a more contrite looking haircut (the one he has now kind of makes him look like an #######)...oh, and he should put out too.

I can't give him any advice on that last one, but if he's looking for some good hair care products, he can go to Picov's, "Where Horse People Come First!"
   16. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5743701)
I hope he gallops into the hall someday, he deserves it.
   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5743705)
I hope he gets into the HOF.

Cigars are terrible.
   18. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5743709)
Cigars are terrible.


Not the A-Rod kind of Cigar.
   19. Baldrick Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5743715)
The smell of cigars is revolting. To such an extent that I literally can't understand how anyone could enjoy them. I realize that this is a failure of imagination on my part, but...I think I'm okay with it.

A-Rod should 100% be in the Hall
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5743721)
The only way I would support putting ARod in the Hall is if, at the end of the little writeup of his career accomplishments on his plaque, it says "Also, he was a centaur."
   21. Rusty Priske Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:42 PM (#5743747)
He should get in.... but not before Bonds does.
   22. The Good Face Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5743750)
Cigars are wonderful... while you're smoking them. But the aftermath of your mouth feeling like a litterbox stuffed with cigarette butts is less so. The morning after a serious cigar and booze bender is a unique slice of fresh hell.

   23. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:59 PM (#5743766)
he's always struck me as cringingly artificial in the way he carries himself.


"I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself"
   24. The Duke Posted: September 13, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5743919)
As with all PED’rs they should be inducted the year after they die
   25. Baldrick Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:27 PM (#5743962)
As with all PED’rs they should be inducted the year after they die

The HOF is going to be mighty crowded after they induct Neifi Perez, Ryan Franklin, and Cameron Maybin.
   26. SoSH U at work Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:29 PM (#5743963)
When Bonds/Clemens finally do get in, it will be interesting to see if there's a divide between acceptance of the pre-testing guys and the Arod/Manny types who failed tests and got suspended. I think it's reasonable to differentiate between the two types, but my guess is once the wall falls, it falls for everybody.

   27. John DiFool2 Posted: September 13, 2018 at 08:45 PM (#5744059)
"The Windmills of Your Mind."

[note: I ALWAYS have to cogitate for a second or three to figure out if it is the female folk-rock singer, or the male-dominated folk-rock band...]
   28. Rally Posted: September 14, 2018 at 07:52 AM (#5744176)
“The only way I would support putting ARod in the Hall is if, at the end of the little writeup of his career accomplishments on his plaque, it says "Also, he was a centaur."

They don’t have to mention it. Just make sure the image on the plaque shows his centaurness.
   29. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 14, 2018 at 08:25 AM (#5744187)
When Bonds/Clemens finally do get in, it will be interesting to see if there's a divide between acceptance of the pre-testing guys and the Arod/Manny types who failed tests and got suspended. I think it's reasonable to differentiate between the two types, but my guess is once the wall falls, it falls for everybody.

I see it more as a continuum than binary. If Bonds and Clemens** get it with just over 75% of the vote, that will break a barrier for players of Bonds/Clemens caliber, but how many other than A-Rod fall into that category? I could see some of the others getting in eventually as (or I should say if) the consensus about PEDs evolves, but I don't think it'd happen immediately.

And anyway, the real split should be between those for whom there was overwhelmingly credible evidence that they used steroids, and those where the evidence is conjecture (bacne) or hearsay (accusations that melt upon further investigation). AFAIC whether it was pre-testing or post-testing should be immaterial.

** Who AFAIC should be in already, since the evidence produced against him in court wasn't even close to getting a conviction on any of the charges against him, nor did he have potential witnesses against him refusing to testify.
   30. TDF didn't lie, he just didn't remember Posted: September 14, 2018 at 08:28 AM (#5744188)
When Bonds/Clemens finally do get in, it will be interesting to see if there's a divide between acceptance of the pre-testing guys and the Arod/Manny types who failed tests and got suspended.
ARod was never suspended for failing a test. The only test he may have failed was the supposedly anonymous survey of players in '03, for which he wasn't suspended.

Which is the real issue: Bonds never failed a test; if it wasn't for other BALCO clients being caught, we would never know of his usage. Clemens never failed a test*, and all we have is the word of a known liar. ARod never tested positive for his use of the Biogenesis drugs. Forget "what about player X from the '60s"; what about other players of the recent past who simply avoided detection?

*EDIT: And he actively fought the accusation in court, and won.
   31. Omineca Greg Posted: September 14, 2018 at 08:43 AM (#5744190)
Last night he wrote these words to his friend:
"Sorry about the mess
I'm guilty 'til proved innocent
In the public eye and press"
The funeral's very quiet because all his friends have fled
They may be false, they may be true
They've all got better things to do
They may be false, they may be true
But nothing has been proved
Nothing
Nothing has been proved
No, nothing
Nothing
No, nothing
Nothing
No, nothing

Lowe/Tennant
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: September 14, 2018 at 09:47 AM (#5744229)
ARod was never suspended for failing a test. The only test he may have failed was the supposedly anonymous survey of players in '03, for which he wasn't suspended.


Fair enough. Then change it to got suspended by MLB in some way for connection to PEDs. The point doesn't really change.

One group of players (led by two inner circle types) is suspected of usage before a policy was instituted. Others admitted to usage pre-policy. And others were penalized post-policy. Will the election of the two inner circle guys immediately clear the way for the rest, or might another line be drawn? And, secondarily, as Andy points out, how does it break down by overall performance record.

   33. TomH Posted: September 14, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5744309)
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘MVPs' or 'career records' will enter the kingdom of the Hall of Fame, but only he who does the will of the Rulers of MLB in their offices. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘did we not score runs and drive them in Your name, and in Your name play defense and win trophies?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.'
(apologies to St Matthew)
   34. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 14, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5744314)
One group of players (led by two inner circle types) is suspected of usage before a policy was instituted. Others admitted to usage pre-policy. And others were penalized post-policy. Will the election of the two inner circle guys immediately clear the way for the rest, or might another line be drawn? And, secondarily, as Andy points out, how does it break down by overall performance record.

To illustrate that point, how many discussions did we have here about a "steroid discount"? How many times did we hear the assertion that so-and-so "would (or wouldn't) have been a Hall of Famer without steroids"?** Those were just other ways of saying that even for some people who felt that steroids should be a mark against HoF candidates, in and of itself steroids shouldn't have been a total disqualifier.

** IIRC this point came up repeatedly in the HoF discussions over Mark McGwire, where there was a sizeable minority of people who thought---unlike in the case of Bonds---that only steroids enabled McGwire to reach HoF-level numbers.
   35. dlf Posted: September 14, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5744333)
One group of players (led by two inner circle types) is suspected of usage before a policy was instituted. Others admitted to usage pre-policy. And others were penalized post-policy.


I remember Posnanski suggesting some years ago that he might have a different standard for Manny than for pre-testing players, know he annually votes for Bonds / Clemens, but don't recall whether he voted for Ramirez.

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