Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Wednesday, March 12, 2014

A “brief” history of star-crossed players, Part II - Beyond the Box Score

Will Oscar Taveras end up on this list someday?

Jim Furtado Posted: March 12, 2014 at 09:03 AM | 3 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: history, sabermetrics

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: March 12, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4670550)
I understand what they're doing here, but they're using the wrong terminology. Their criteria is 4+ seasons or 5 WAR and a career WAR, which is a player who had peak years in line with a Hall of Fame career, but not the total accumulation. That's a list of HOVG guys with a solid peak. But that isn't necessarily "star-crossed". "Star-crossed" requires the special disfavor of the heavens. The pitchers' list especially is mainly a lot of guys who were good in their 20s and then fell apart. This is what happens to pitchers, it doesn't require the gods to hate you. The same with the Don Mattinglys of the world -- guys get injured and fall off. Astrology can't help with that.

Ray Chapman and Lyman Bostock were star-crossed. Adam Greenberg was star-crossed. Ron Wright is one of the most star-crossed players in recent memory -- a weirdly botched back surgery that clipped his sciatic nerve wrecked his career, then he hit into 6 outs in 3 plate appearances in his only MLB game. The baseball gods hate Ron Wright. That's what star-crossed looks like.
   2. Sunday silence Posted: March 12, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4670620)
well you make a point, for instance why is Parker on that list? He maxed out his career about as much as possible. BUt its still a good list for future reference.

Incidentally did the first list include like Hal Trosky, Dale ALexander, or BIlly Goodman? I never knew much about Billy Goodman or Ferris Fain.

Harry Aganis is more of fernie's def'n. He died way too young.
   3. GEB4000 Posted: March 13, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4671013)
Parker's star crossed jelly donuts and cocaine.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Backlasher
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogKen Griffey, Mike Piazza set for Hall of Fame | MLB.com
(18 - 3:22am, Jul 25)
Last: Drexl Spivey

NewsblogReport: Yankees say Aroldis Chapman trade near | MLB.com
(74 - 2:35am, Jul 25)
Last: Cargo Cultist

NewsblogYounger breed of techies replacing baseball lifers in GM roles - StarTribune.com
(18 - 2:30am, Jul 25)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

NewsblogOTP 2016 July 18: Girls’ softball teams being shut out of city defibrillator policy, while boys’ teams given life-saving devices
(1774 - 2:08am, Jul 25)
Last: STIGGLES is more humble than you would understand

NewsblogChris Sales sent home because of argument over uniforms
(82 - 12:39am, Jul 25)
Last: Lindor Truffles

NewsblogChanges are coming to baseball Hall of Fame's veterans' committees | FOX Sports
(42 - 12:29am, Jul 25)
Last: Dennis Eclairskey, closer

NewsblogSunday Notes: Giants’ Law, Twins’ May, Miller’s Pop, January, more | FanGraphs Baseball
(1 - 12:17am, Jul 25)
Last: Petunia inquires about ponies

NewsblogReport: D-backs making teams aware Shelby Miller 'is available'
(10 - 12:13am, Jul 25)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogOT: Wrestling Thread November 2014
(1635 - 11:54pm, Jul 24)
Last: Rowland Office Supplies

NewsblogRockies have several players who could be targeted for trade with deadline near – The Denver Post
(8 - 11:44pm, Jul 24)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogIchiro Suzuki records 2 hits, 4 shy of 3,000 | MLB.com
(62 - 11:39pm, Jul 24)
Last: DanG

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 7-24-16
(108 - 11:01pm, Jul 24)
Last: AT-AT at bat@AT&T

NewsblogTyler Glasnow erratic start ends with injury | pirates.com
(1 - 9:53pm, Jul 24)
Last: PASTE Transcends Almost All Generations (Zeth)

NewsblogTed Berg: I badly wanted MLB to adopt replay before 2014. Now I find it boring and dumb
(57 - 5:08pm, Jul 24)
Last: There's a bustle in Misirlou's hedgerow

Newsblog#MLBRank: Barry Bonds, Ty Cobb make Stark's all-time top 10
(41 - 3:59pm, Jul 24)
Last: cardsfanboy

Page rendered in 0.1110 seconds
47 querie(s) executed