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Wednesday, March 12, 2014

A “brief” history of star-crossed players, Part II - Beyond the Box Score

Will Oscar Taveras end up on this list someday?

Jim Furtado Posted: March 12, 2014 at 09:03 AM | 3 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: March 12, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4670550)
I understand what they're doing here, but they're using the wrong terminology. Their criteria is 4+ seasons or 5 WAR and a career WAR, which is a player who had peak years in line with a Hall of Fame career, but not the total accumulation. That's a list of HOVG guys with a solid peak. But that isn't necessarily "star-crossed". "Star-crossed" requires the special disfavor of the heavens. The pitchers' list especially is mainly a lot of guys who were good in their 20s and then fell apart. This is what happens to pitchers, it doesn't require the gods to hate you. The same with the Don Mattinglys of the world -- guys get injured and fall off. Astrology can't help with that.

Ray Chapman and Lyman Bostock were star-crossed. Adam Greenberg was star-crossed. Ron Wright is one of the most star-crossed players in recent memory -- a weirdly botched back surgery that clipped his sciatic nerve wrecked his career, then he hit into 6 outs in 3 plate appearances in his only MLB game. The baseball gods hate Ron Wright. That's what star-crossed looks like.
   2. Sunday silence Posted: March 12, 2014 at 06:42 PM (#4670620)
well you make a point, for instance why is Parker on that list? He maxed out his career about as much as possible. BUt its still a good list for future reference.

Incidentally did the first list include like Hal Trosky, Dale ALexander, or BIlly Goodman? I never knew much about Billy Goodman or Ferris Fain.

Harry Aganis is more of fernie's def'n. He died way too young.
   3. GEB4000 Posted: March 13, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4671013)
Parker's star crossed jelly donuts and cocaine.

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