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A Look Inside Baseball’s Ever-Evolving Stimulant Culture | Bleacher Report

Large quantities of potential energy are consumed, often on top of other medications, in tandem with steady alcohol consumption. The end result is guys crushing energy drinks all throughout the day, just to feel “normal.” Then the same after the game with alcohol.

One has to wonder if doing greenies wasn’t simply a more efficient and effective way of satisfying a behavior that never actually left but, just like energy, simply changed form.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 22, 2014 at 08:39 AM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. TJ Posted: August 22, 2014 at 08:56 AM (#4776905)
Another interesting piece from Hayhurst...
   2. hokieneer Posted: August 22, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4776925)
The end result is guys crushing energy drinks all throughout the day, just to feel “normal.”


I know that feeling. I got "hooked" on monsters a few years ago. After years of avoiding energy drinks, and sticking to just coffee, I tried one. The first few times there was a noticeable pep in the step, a surge of focus and intensity, far beyond just plain caffeine. Fast forward 6+ months later, and I had to drink 2 a day just to be normal. I would be sluggish if I didn't have one, but within 90 minutes of drinking a monster I would crash hard and be worse off than if I never drank one. I kept chasing the "surge" and it never happened.

The "detox" period was just a couple weeks, no big deal. Hell I still grab one once in a while, esp during the summer when a hot cup of coffee just sounds like torture.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 09:56 AM (#4776937)
Hell I still grab one once in a while, esp during the summer when a hot cup of coffee just sounds like torture.

You know they make ice coffee nowadays?
   4. Nasty Nate Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM (#4776948)
I drink hot coffee all summer. Am I the only one?
   5. JE (Jason) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4776956)
I drink hot coffee all summer. Am I the only one?

No.

I also drink them all winter too!
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4776958)
I drink hot coffee all summer. Am I the only one?

I do too, inside air conditioned buildings. But, lots of people seem to like ice coffee.
   7. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:23 AM (#4776963)
You should indeed drink hot coffee in the summer, because hot drinks actually make your body cooler.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/07/11/156378713/cool-down-with-a-hot-drink-its-not-as-crazy-as-you-think

Excuse me, I'm going to get my second cup of hot coffee.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4776964)
I also drink them all winter too!


Haha! But for 2 days a year - on the equinoxes - you drink ice coffee?

Happy Friday everyone. My vacation starts at 5:00 today!

   9. BDC Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4776973)
I drink hot coffee every day of the year, albeit at the coolest moment of the day (~530am) and not thereafter.

I can't even imagine taking caffeine after about seven in the morning. I would be higher than a kite and never sleep at night – though I suppose one adjusts to the intake, within reason.
   10. Batman Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4776975)
I challenged my friends to take the Hot Coffee Bucket Challenge or sponsor a bb-ref page. Needless to say, I no longer have any Facebook friends.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4776977)
What about a cold beer on a hot Christmas morning? oh wait, wrong thread....
   12. JE (Jason) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4776978)
Haha! But for 2 days a year - on the equinoxes - you drink ice coffee?

Happy Friday everyone. My vacation starts at 5:00 today!

Hmmm, I wonder what you'll you be putting in your coffee at 5.05?
   13. Ron J2 Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4776979)
I drink hot coffee all summer. Am I the only one?


If I could figure out how to drink hot coffee while sleeping I would. A little matter of summer temperatures isn't going to get me to stop drinking coffee.
   14. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4776993)
I do too, inside air conditioned buildings. But, lots of people seem to like ice coffee.


Only way I drink it. If humans had been meant to consume hot liquids, our lips, tongues, etc. would be insulated.
   15. hokieneer Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4776996)
I do too, inside air conditioned buildings. But, lots of people seem to like ice coffee.


I have no idea what type of person it takes to enjoy ice coffee. #### is an abomination.

I drink coffee year round also, just not outside in the middle of a July afternoon.
   16. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4777007)
I have it on good authority from my mother, who received the information from her uncle, that drinking coffee turns your nose black.

Whether that's why we never had coffee around when I was growing up (I was around 40 by the time I finally started drinking it in frappucino form), I have no idea. I did make the occasional cup of instant for my infirm great-aunt (whose nose somehow never turned black, IIRC), but of course I had better sense than to ever sample the dreadful stuff.

Coffee Mate sure tasted good by the spoonful, though.
   17. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4777018)
I can't even imagine taking caffeine after about seven in the morning. I would be higher than a kite and never sleep at night – though I suppose one adjusts to the intake, within reason.


That's about when I finish my morning frappucino. I actually kicked caffeine for a few years in the late '90s because of sleep problems, back when I was night city editor in Little Rock. Before that, I averaged drinking 6 cokes a day at work, in addition to iced tea I might've had with lunch.
   18. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 22, 2014 at 11:10 AM (#4777040)
I drank half of a Red Bull once; it was similar to melting down my old tennis shoes and drinking them. Blecch.

I've never drank coffee, either; in my early morning radio days, I would consume a Snapple or two during the show.
   19. BDC Posted: August 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4777104)
I have no idea what type of person it takes to enjoy ice coffee. #### is an abomination

To get it strong enough, I'd argue that you have to make coffee ice cubes for iced coffee. But at that point you're far gone anyway and probably don't care what it tastes like.
   20. AuntBea Posted: August 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4777107)
A normal 16oz Monster only has 140mg of caffeine, which is significantly less than the 8oz Starbucks cup of brewed coffee (180mg).
   21. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4777108)
To get it strong enough, I'd argue that you have to make coffee ice cubes for iced coffee. But at that point you're far gone anyway and probably don't care what it tastes like.


I used to do that (though of course I grind up the cubes in making the frappucino), but ever since getting a Mr. Coffee Frappe Maker about 4 years ago I no longer make coffee per se.
   22. Ron J2 Posted: August 22, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4777143)
#21 Now you've got me thinking about getting one of those. Like I need more stuff in my (tiny) kitchen.
   23. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: August 22, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4777147)
Coffee is nasty.
   24. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4777204)
The only coffee I will always decline is local bank branch complimentary coffee. From coast to coast, it sucks. The OCC really needs to come down on the banks for this.
   25. Perry Posted: August 22, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4777225)
I like coffee hot, iced, or room temperature. Take it black. Fill a 10-cup coffeemaker up to the 8-cup line every day, drink about 3/4 of it before noon, then usually finish it off in late afternoon, often over ice. Try not to drink any after 7 pm or so, but in any case it's never bothered my sleep at all, in nearly 40 years of drinking the stuff. Of course, I'm not drinking Folgers or anything of that ilk; the caffeine content of the mass-market stuff, which tends to be made from robusta beans, is a lot higher than the higher quality arabica.
   26. CrosbyBird Posted: August 22, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4777252)
Coffee is too bitter for my child-like palate. I'm mostly off caffeine, but there were years where I drank a large Red Bull or two small ones nearly every morning. If I had to get up particularly early and be particularly productive, I'd drink even more than that.

But putting taste aside, coffee strikes me as a grossly inefficient caffeine delivery system. When I want caffeine, I want it fast. Sipping is way too slow.
   27. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4777293)
When I want caffeine, I want it fast.


No-Doz brownies?
   28. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4777296)
#21 Now you've got me thinking about getting one of those. Like I need more stuff in my (tiny) kitchen.


I love mine; hell, I've given 2 of them as gifts & participated in the gift-giving of a third.

Before getting it, I brewed coffee, then combined it with ice & soymilk (along with everything else, I'm of course lactose intolerant as well ... which reminds me that Breyers' lactose-free ice cream might as well be carbolic acid where my stupid digestive system is concerned) in a blender. This saves vitally important minutes when I'm barely awake, though of course more often than not I was using refrigerated coffee from a few days earlier. Even so, every second counts!
   29. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: August 22, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4777303)
I've never developed a taste for coffee*, so my morning wake-me-up is a can of Red Bull.

If scientists need a lab rat for studying the long-term effects of taurine on the body, I'm their guy.

* - Except the Cuban coffee you get in Miami. That ####'s awesome.
   30. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4777309)
If there's better coffee than the iced version they serve at Thai restaurants, I'm unacquainted with it.
   31. madvillain Posted: August 22, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4777317)
####, sounds like my college DIII team. Booze it up at night, chug energy drinks in the morning. Party hard play hard. Our coach that played D1 at Tulane back in the 80s, would actually budget a case of red bull for saturday double headers, he "got it".

In baseball you're standing around a lot you need to be highly alert and focused, caffeine helps a lot. It's the same thing with dip, seeds and bubblegum, anything to keep you a bit more alert and/or pass time simultaneously.
   32. Ron J2 Posted: August 22, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4777333)
#29 Cuban coffee (I went to Cuba to get mine. I understand that might not be an option for you) is indeed very good. For those not familiar with it, it's pretty much an expresso variant.

I generally prefer the medium roasts and wouldn't have minded the opportunity to get a medium roast coffee from time to time while I was at the resort (literally the only type of coffee available was Cuban coffee), but ... as I said, very good.
   33. AuntBea Posted: August 22, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4777334)
A normal 16oz Monster only has 140mg of caffeine, which is significantly less than the 8oz Starbucks cup of brewed coffee (180mg).
Having done 5 more minutes of research, other sites have them at almost equal (both about 160 mg).
   34. hokieneer Posted: August 22, 2014 at 04:06 PM (#4777368)
Having done 5 more minutes of research, other sites have them at almost equal (both about 160 mg).


For me, the crash and always-sluggish-unless-I-drank-one feeling with Monster was not exclusively about the caffeine. I drink several cups of coffee a day, and at home they are even dark roast or espresso, but never get those feelings with coffee. That is of course unless I really overdue it, but it doesn't seem to carry over day to day.

It's other the taurine, or some of the ingredients in the "energy blend". Could have been the sugar, for a while I was drinking the full calorie ones.
   35. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 22, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4777373)
Who gives a ####?
   36. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4777379)
Well, that's settled, then.
   37. AuntBea Posted: August 22, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4777381)
Could have been the sugar, for a while I was drinking the full calorie ones.
That would be my guess.
   38. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 22, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4777387)
Coffee is nasty.

True, but Haagen-Dazs Java Chip is sublime.

Of course you have to eat about three quarts of it to match the caffeine level of a Grande Starbucks Coffee, but as long as you're an ectomorph, what of it?
   39. Batman Posted: August 22, 2014 at 05:07 PM (#4777417)
sounds like my college DIII team.
Read that as "college DUI team"
   40. zenbitz Posted: August 22, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4777435)
A normal 16oz Monster only has 140mg of caffeine, which is significantly less than the 8oz Starbucks cup of brewed coffee (180mg).


Energy drinks barely even dent my caffeine dependency. Taurine etc. does nothing for me. You can try - they make 5 hour energy sans caffeine.
I probably consume 600mg of caffeine (in coffee) / day. Most of a pot of french press in the morning and a double americano around 3.

Does the article not mention ADHD prescriptions?? I mean, most ballplayers have serious amphetamine stare. Although I get they could be naturally intense+caffeination.

I have also tried "ranger pills", i.e, ephedra but they didn't make me especially hasty.
   41. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: August 22, 2014 at 09:48 PM (#4777539)
I drink iced coffee all summer long. The first one of the year is a minor event for me.
   42. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 22, 2014 at 09:50 PM (#4777541)
LOL on "amphetamine stare."
   43. Walt Davis Posted: August 22, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4777552)
What about a cold beer on a hot Christmas morning?

Welcome to Australia!

Actually, hereabouts, since we get Boxing Day we don't get a day off on Christmas Eve. But of course nobody actually expects to work on Christmas Eve. So, at least in NZ offices, Xmas Eve at work is nothing but morning "tea" starting around 10 and the boss let's everybody leave at noon.

   44. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 22, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4777591)
This conversation is the like getting fired for having a Diet Coke in the morning.
   45. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 22, 2014 at 11:35 PM (#4777592)
What's next? Baseball player suspended for eating?

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