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Tuesday, June 03, 2014

A Major League Pitcher’s Guide To Baseball’s Bullshit Unwritten Rules

A lot of good stuff here.

When I was with the Jays, everyone was quiet in the presence of Roy Halladay. You got out of his way, didn’t talk to him during his routine, and kept any conversations with him short. He was one star that set the tone for the whole locker room. When he was around, the organization talked about how everyone should emulate his work ethic and how it made the clubhouse a place of business. When he left, everyone talked about how his personality made the clubhouse a dark and moody place, and players need to know balance to succeed.

Edit: Link fixed. Sorry, Jim.

Jim Furtado Posted: June 03, 2014 at 08:44 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4718440)
bad link
   2. Srul Itza Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:13 PM (#4718451)
Nanny killed the link by censoring ########.

Which is ########.
   3. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:14 PM (#4718452)
http://deadspin.com/a-major-league-pitchers-guide-to-baseballs-bullshit-unw-1585433770

Holy ####, the nanny ###### up that ########### link. Put the word that's in the headline in place of the hash marks and you'll be okay.

Don't do it with the link in the headline, though; there's an unnecessary /tag/ in there.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:22 PM (#4718453)
nope, doesn't work....damn nanny.
   5. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:27 PM (#4718454)
http://tinyurl.com/loa7fw5

Is that so hard?
   6. cardsfanboy Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:29 PM (#4718455)
Excellent article though.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4718456)
Is that so hard?

Apparently so, as you couldn't make it an actual link either.
Cut and paste? Wouldn't it work better if you made it an actual link, you know like how other people were trying to do it?
   8. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4718457)
agreed
   9. Srul Itza Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:33 PM (#4718461)
It is actually a pretty good article.

Try this:

Hayhurst Article
   10. Jim Furtado Posted: June 03, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4718463)
It's bullshit but bullshit doesn't get censored in comments, which is bullshit.
   11.     Hey Gurl Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:01 PM (#4718475)
I was once told that when you get to the big leagues, a veteran player will take you out and buy you your first suit. That never happened to me or any player I knew in the Padres organization. Instead, Heath Bell bought me a hash brown and a large orange juice at McDonald's once.


Best part of the article.
   12. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:24 PM (#4718486)
I was once told that when you get to the big leagues, a veteran player will take you out and buy you your first suit. That never happened to me or any player I knew in the Padres organization. Instead, Heath Bell bought me a hash brown and a large orange juice at McDonald's once.

Best part of the article.


"Side item only. You can spring for your own Egg McMuffin, rook."
   13. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:26 PM (#4718487)
A hash brown, as in one fried sliver of potato?

Is that even legal?
   14. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:32 PM (#4718492)
To be fair it's more a fried patty of potato slivers, about the size of an iPhone.
   15. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4718493)
Anybody else read Hayhurst's memoir? I found it enjoyable, if not earth-shattering.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 03, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4718495)
I was once told that when you get to the big leagues, a veteran player will take you out and buy you your first suit. That never happened to me or any player I knew in the Padres organization. Instead, Heath Bell bought me a hash brown and a large orange juice at McDonald's once.

Best part of the article.

Better with the rest of the quote:
I was told, "That suit stuff is the kind of thing the Yankees do, not the Padres."
   17. JE (Jason) Posted: June 03, 2014 at 11:52 PM (#4718511)
I was told, "That suit stuff is the kind of thing the Yankees do, not the Padres."

I'm afraid to ask what a veteran player in the California Penal League buys a rookie.
   18. CraigK Posted: June 04, 2014 at 12:32 AM (#4718523)
I'm afraid to ask what a veteran player in the California Penal League buys a rookie.


Carton of cigs.
   19. KingKaufman Posted: June 04, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4718528)
"Baseball tradition in St. Louis is having a Hall of Famer like Stan Musial come into the clubhouse and shake your hand. Baseball tradition in San Diego is having Nate Colbert come into the clubhouse and try to sell you a used car." —Steve Mura
   20. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:28 AM (#4718555)
Anybody else read Hayhurst's memoir? I found it enjoyable, if not earth-shattering.


I did, and my reaction was the same. He's written two more since then, neither as enjoyable as the first, but still an interesting inside look at what to us fans is a very common career path--struggle through the minors for years, get a very brief stint in the majors as a middle reliever, get hurt, career over--from the perspective of a player whose career was probably held back by thinking too much and being too introspective.

Hayhurst's various teammates generally realized before he did that he was headed for a career in the media, which is why most of them didn't like him. At least that's the impression the books left me with.

Edit: Actually, thinking back over the books, it seems plain that Hayhurst never believed he would have much of a major league career, and started getting friendly with the media early on in the hopes of eventually finding work there. He has some issues (don't we all?) but he was/is a sharp dude.
   21. Perry Posted: June 04, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4718648)
What Hayhurst's books did for me was make me realize once again how great Ball Four was. And I liked Hayhurst's.
   22. Jeltzandini Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4718679)
Carton of cigs.


The old man grabbed me and said, "Hey, smoke up Johnny." All right? So go home and cry to your Daddy. Don't cry here, okay?
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:46 AM (#4718727)
I was told, "That suit stuff is the kind of thing the Yankees do, not the Padres."


You forgot to post the next sentence, which I assume attributed this to Jeter's leadership.
   24. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4718734)
I liked Hayhurst's first book as well, but I found it a bit disappointing in comparison to stuff of his I'd read linked to here before it came out.

My favorite comparable book remains Steve Fireovid's The 26th Man, though I gather from what someone on BTF mentioned once upon a time (I think it was DMN) that virtually all of the writing wsas Mark Winegardner's.
   25. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 04, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4718745)
The 26th Man is a great book. The resentment of golden-boy prospects who got promoted to the bigs ahead of him despite his better performance is palpable. Especially as those golden-boy prospects were future Hall of Famers Chris Nabholz and Howard Farmer. When does one of THEM come out with a book?
   26. zenbitz Posted: June 04, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4718755)
@22 Sir? Why would anyone want to steal a screw?
   27. Rants Mulliniks Posted: June 04, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4718853)
By that logic, the next time someone cuts me off in traffic, I should send my car barreling into the offender's because that's the only way they're going to learn.


I live in a small city that arguably has the worst drivers in North America, and if I ever won a lot of money my dream has always been to buy a large truck, put a great big brush guard on the front, and just slowly bulldoze people who don't understand that green means go out of my way.
   28. madvillain Posted: June 04, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4718861)
I live in a small city that arguably has the worst drivers in North America, and if I ever won a lot of money my dream has always been to buy a large truck, put a great big brush guard on the front, and just slowly bulldoze people who don't understand that green means go out of my way.


In Seattle the average lag between green light and foot on gas is, I swear, over 2 seconds. Those add up, especially when city planners assume x amount of cars per light.
   29. villageidiom Posted: June 04, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4719020)
You forgot to post the next sentence, which I assume attributed this to Jeter's leadership.
Given what we hear you have to do to get a gift basket, what must you do for a suit?
   30. Fist Pumping Maniac Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4719031)
Hayhurst is more weasel than anything else. I saw him this off-season on MLB Network correcting (actually lecturing) Pedro Martinez about pitching mechanics. I can see why he was so disliked.
   31. Joe Kehoskie Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4719041)

I'm not sure I'd call Hayhurst a "weasel," but I'm in favor of giving him Nancy Grace's seat on BBTF's long-delayed rocketship to the sun.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4719044)
Given what we hear you have to do to get a gift basket, what must you do for a suit?


Let your wife/girlfriend earn a gift basket.
   33. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4719063)
Hayhurst is more weasel than anything else. I saw him this off-season on MLB Network correcting (actually lecturing) Pedro Martinez about pitching mechanics. I can see why he was so disliked.

unlike most people here, I did not care for his first book. I found him to be a whiny, bitchy little fuckweasel
   34. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4719139)
unlike most people here, I did not care for his first book. I found him to be a whiny, ###### little ##########


I didn't read it but on TV and in his writing I find myself not liking him very much. He comes across as very impressed with himself.
   35. Traderdave Posted: June 04, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4719207)
Agree with all of the impressions of Hayhurst, pos and neg.

His work is very interesting in how it illustrates minor league life. The mental gyrations he describes really help one understand the stress of that life. He isn't a great writer but some of his vignettes tell great stories. I found him better as a short piece writer rather than a book-length one.

His whiny nature comes out very strongly in his books. His self-confidence seemed so weak it's a wonder he went as far as he did, given the extreme ego that pitching both feeds and requires.

He also seems to suffer from a bit of social anxiety and it's easy to see why he struggled to fit in as one of the guys, but that shouldn't be a knock against him.

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