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Saturday, January 11, 2014

A-Rod suspended 162 games by arbitrator Frederic Horowitz

According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, a ruling in Alex Rodriguez’s appeal hearing is imminent and expected today. Steven Marcus of Newsday adds that arbitrator Frederic Horowitz’s decision appears to be favorable to MLB.

Rodriguez, 38, was suspended a record 211 games in early August for his ties to Biogenesis. The 211 games is essentially broken down into the standard 50-game ban for first-time performance-enhancing drug offenders plus another 161 games for allegedly interfering with MLB’s investigation.

Unlike the other 12 players suspended in August, A-Rod filed an appeal and has been in a rather nasty legal battle with MLB in recent weeks. The appeal hearing started the day after the end of the regular season and concluded in mid November. Horowitz can uphold, overturn or reduce the suspension.

Repoz Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM | 215 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4636258)
So he'll be back for the playoffs!
   2. JRVJ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4636259)
Leave it to A-Rod to ruin a perfectly fine HoF election debate.

Other than that, the Yankees must be thrilled at this.
   3. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4636260)
I will now be rooting for the Yankees to make the playoffs. Gross.
   4. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4636261)
Wow.

edit: So, the Yankees completely get off the hook for his 2014 salary?
   5. DA Baracus Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4636262)
He is also suspended for the playoffs.
   6. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4636265)
He is also suspended for the playoffs.

Now that's just mean
   7. AndrewJ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4636266)
Whoa.
   8. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4636267)
The Yankees' accountant is probably grinning ear to ear. Selig's finally got the big hide to pin on his mantle. Bonds and Clemens may have escaped, but A-Rod didn't.

This, along with Braun, would appear to establish the precedent that the Commissioner does have the power under the Best Interests clause to go beyond the JDA in suspensions for particularly noxious offenders, no?
   9. DA Baracus Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4636268)
Now that's just mean


They weren't going to make it anyway.
   10. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4636269)
I still think he should have been banned from the game for life, but I'll definitely take this.
   11. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4636270)
Is it too late to get Cano back?

The Yankees are going to have the worst infield in baseball. Last place coming up.
   12. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4636272)
In other words, it's exactly the result the Yankees to all appearances planned their offseason expecting.

Nothing suspicious about that at all.
   13. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4636273)
Why does anyone care that the Yankees get off the hook for his salary? There is nobody worth signing. Unless you are really concerned with Hal Steinbrenner's bottom line, there is nothing good about this for the Yankees.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4636275)
There is nobody worth signing.


Tanaka.
   15. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4636276)
Because I'm pretty sure that even with their wild spending this winter, it puts them under the luxury tax threshold if they don't sign Tanaka (or, I suppose, sign him to a preposterously long contract with a lower-than-expected AAV). Can anyone confirm/deny this?
   16. tshipman Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4636277)
Why does anyone care that the Yankees get off the hook for his salary? There is nobody worth signing. Unless you are really concerned with Hal Steinbrenner's bottom line, there is nothing good about this for the Yankees.


Because it's bullshit that the Yankees are going to get under the luxury tax threshold because of a hugely out of line suspension from Selig that has been remarkably upheld.
   17. Bruce Markusen Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4636278)
To quote Bud White: "I call it justice. Because that's what the man got."
   18. JE (Jason) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4636279)
Joel Sherman just now:
For luxury tax purposes, #Yankees will be charged $3,155,737.70 because it is 162 games, not full year (183 days)
   19. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4636280)
It seems odd to me that the Bud is helping the Yankees get under the threshold (taking money directly out of the pockets of small market owners) but it appears that the only thing the Bud has wanted for the past couple years is A-Rod's head on a plate, and the Yankees happened to be the enemy of his enemy in this case.
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4636282)
LOL
   21. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4636284)
It seems odd to me that the Bud is helping the Yankees get under the threshold


The Yankees are going to be over the threshold.
   22. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4636289)
Hey, this is an odd place to ask this, but is there a link where the old Wiki Gonzalez is stll active?
   23. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4636290)
Hey, this is an odd place to ask this, but is there a link where the old Wiki Gonzalez is stll active?
No.
   24. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4636291)
Boo. I was trying to remember all the Yankee Game Chatterers from the glory days.
   25. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4636293)
There is no specific way to get to 162 games from the enumerated JDA/CBA punishments, correct? So this is just another, lesser, arbitrary number?
   26. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4636294)
It seems odd to me that the Bud is helping the Yankees get under the threshold (taking money directly out of the pockets of small market owners) but it appears that the only thing the Bud has wanted for the past couple years is A-Rod's head on a plate, and the Yankees happened to be the enemy of his enemy in this case.

The luxury tax money doesn't go to the small market owners, but rather to Bud's own slush fund. He's only hurting himself....and his slushy henchmen.
   27. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4636295)
I still don't get how the suspension saves the Yankees all that much in luxury tax terms. The player is still signed to a long term contract, and the luxury tax is still calculated on the basis of AAV of long-term contracts. Shouldn't this only reduce the luxury tax total by 1/10 of A-Rod's 2014 salary?

Also, Sherman's statement makes no sense at all, and how the hell does Lester Munson have a job?
   28. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4636299)
(WHINNY) (BAY) (Hoof Stomp) (Hoof Stomp) (WHINNY)

I wonder which Network will hire him. Ironically we'll probably have more A-Rod than ever.
   29. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4636305)
ESPN just said that suspension includes post-season (if Yankees make it), so Sherman's statement now makes even less than no sense.
   30. depletion Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4636306)
From A-rods' statement in TFA:
am confident that when a Federal Judge reviews the entirety of the record, the hearsay testimony of a criminal whose own records demonstrate that he dealt drugs to minors...

If you you're going to deal drugs to minors, might as well keep fastidious records.
   31. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4636307)
I want to see what kind of numbers he puts up in Indy-ball.

But this is shocking to me, and he's likely a cut now in my dynasty APBA league.
   32. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4636308)
I'm looking forward to hearing from all the dipshits who actually thought the suspension would be overturned. There were quite a few of them around here, and they were wrong about that, just like they're wrong about practically everything.
   33. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4636309)
I am furious about this and 100% on A-Rods side. If you told me that I'd feel this way a year ago about A-Rod, I'd have said that it was crazytalk. This is a huge favor to the Yankees, if YR ever complains about how MLB is stacked against the Yankees again he should be fired out of the cannon.

A 50 or 100 game suspension, that's what should have come out of this if the arbiter wasn't just a management stooge.
   34. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:28 PM (#4636311)
So I can't figure out if this means the yanks are less likely to sign tanaka now.
   35. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4636314)
So this is just another, lesser, arbitrary number?

Well, he is an arbitrator.
   36. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4636316)
So I can't figure out if this means the yanks are less likely to sign tanaka now.


I think it does, as they are now under the threshold but will go over if they sign him. But I could be wrong; there seems to be confusion on the issue. Anyone got a solid link proving whether they're over or under after this?
   37. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4636317)
MLB tweet also says entire 2014 season and post-season. Not 162 games.
   38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4636319)
So I can't figure out if this means the yanks are less likely to sign tanaka now.

I'd say more likely. They're not getting under $189 anyway, and this gives them a free $25M to contribute towards the Tanaka deal.
   39. GregD Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4636320)
I'm looking forward to hearing from all the dipshits who actually thought the suspension would be overturned. There were quite a few of them around here, and they were wrong about that, just like they're wrong about practically everything.
I don't know for sure, but my vague memory is that there were lots of people who thought A-Rod would win a federal court case. And of course he still may. How many of them specifically thought the arbitrator would overturn it, I don't recall, but it's possible some of them did. In any event, this is not the last word on how many games A-Rod will miss so people with bets out there are still in the running
   40. Lassus Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4636321)
So what is A-Rod's next step, exactly, if he intends to fight fight fight every bit of the way?
   41. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4636323)
File suit in Federal court and seek a TRO?
   42. GregD Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4636325)
So what is A-Rod's next step, exactly, if he intends to fight fight fight every bit of the way?
File suit in Federal court and seek a TRO?
That's his next step even if he only intends to fight a little bit of the way, right? He'd be crazy not to try for that.
   43. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4636326)
A-Rod playing regular season games due to a federal restraining order has to be on my top 10 list of things I'd pay to see in MLB baseball.
   44. SG Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4636328)
The Yankees are going to be over the threshold.


Probably. They're at $177M without any of the arbitration awards factored in. It's a safe bet that between Gardner, Robertson and Nova they'll be over $189M. I suppose they could try and dump some salary, but who is going to take any of their shitty contracts?
   45. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4636330)
He'd be crazy not to try for that.

Tell it to John Kruk.
   46. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4636331)
They're at $177M without any of the arbitration awards factored in.

AAV + benefits?
   47. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:44 PM (#4636332)
If they're barely over, can they dump guys at midseason to get under? They could probably move Gardner and maybe Kuroda without taking on any salary.
   48. Bob Tufts Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4636333)
Does this also disqualify him for the Derby, Preakness and Belmont?
   49. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:47 PM (#4636335)
He's not a three-year old. But he'll be back in time for the Breeder's Cup.
   50. Bob Tufts Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4636336)
Perhaps ARod takes the buyout and gets put out to stud......
   51. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4636337)
Isn't it unlikely that a judge or court would overrule a decision reached through binding arbitration? Even though a member of the three-person panel stepped off the panel during the hearing to testify against A-Rod, before resuming his role as an impartial arbiter, both sides accepted it and MLB has anti-trust in its hip pocket. Anyway, assuming Rodriguez could get a TRO, wouldn't it only end up bisecting his suspension between the 2014 and 2015 seasons?

   52. GregD Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4636338)
A-Rod playing regular season games due to a federal restraining order has to be on my top 10 list of things I'd pay to see in MLB baseball.
They should go full WWE and have a "judge" walk him out to third base at the start of every game and pound his gavel to try to stop the crowd from booing.

Or send A-Rod out in a barrister's wig.
   53. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4636339)
What are the chances that he will be able to play for a little while during a federal appeal?
   54. Repoz Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4636340)
Wherever he is...Mickey Mantle is laughing at A-Rod's .299348 career batting average.
   55. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4636342)
Isn't it unlikely that a judge or court would overrule a decision reached through binding arbitration?

You would think so. Could there be some cause of action other than directly questioning the validity of what was collectively bargained?

Even though a member of the three-person panel stepped off the panel during the hearing to testify against A-Rod, before resuming his role as an impartial arbiter, both sides accepted it and MLB has anti-trust in its hip pocket.

Did A-Rod's layers accept that, or just the MLBPA?

Anyway, assuming Rodriguez could get a TRO, wouldn't it only end up bisecting his suspension between the 2014 and 2015 seasons?

Maybe that's something he wants. Seems to me that he doesn't want to miss an entire season. Maybe he thinks that would effectively end his career, whereas playing the first half of 2014 and the second half of 2015 wouldn't. Who knows?
   56. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4636343)
@54 - A coke for you.
   57. puck Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4636344)
Is the luxury tax too low now considering the bump every team got from the national tv deals and that some teams are cashing in on huge local tv deals? Are MLB players getting a far lower % of league revenue than NBA, NFL and NHL players?

(It's $189 million for 2014-2016, right?)
   58. SG Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4636345)
AAV + benefits?


Just AAV so yeah, add another $10-12M. Good job Hal. You built an 82 win team without getting under the cap anyway.
   59. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4636350)
When in the collective bargaining era of MLB history
has a court ever stayed or overturned an arbitrator's decision?

I think any dipshits who are still holding out hope for some miracle are just going to be disappointed again and again and again.
   60. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4636351)
I still don't get how the suspension saves the Yankees all that much in luxury tax terms. The player is still signed to a long term contract, and the luxury tax is still calculated on the basis of AAV of long-term contracts. Shouldn't this only reduce the luxury tax total by 1/10 of A-Rod's 2014 salary?


No, because the contract didn't change. Otherwise it would reduce their luxury tax burden for the entirety of the contract (and MLB would have to cut the Yankees a check in luxury tax overpayments since 2008).
   61. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4636352)
Will the man ever play another game for the Yankees?

I say no. He retires during/after the 2014 season.
   62. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4636353)
MLB would have to cut the Yankees a check in luxury tax overpayments since 2008

They'd probably just give store credit.

Anyway, I do recall reading something (from Stark I think) way bak at the beginning of the Biogenesis story about how salaries of suspended players till counting toward luxury tax.
   63. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4636355)
He retires during/after the 2014 season.

Not without a settlement of some kind. He's not walking away from $61M.
   64. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4636356)
Anyway, I do recall reading something (from Stark I think) way bak at the beginning of the Biogenesis story about how salaries of suspended players till counting toward luxury tax.


At the beginning the reports went back and forth on that, but it's been since confirmed that it doesn't, since the team is not paying any salary to the player. PED suspensions are penalties against the player, not the team.
   65. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4636357)
Not without a settlement of some kind. He's not walking away from $61M.


This.
   66. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4636359)
Not without a settlement of some kind. He's not walking away from $61M.


Oh, I agree. But I would think the Yankees would pay $30M to walk away.
   67. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:12 PM (#4636360)
When in the collective bargaining era of MLB history has a court ever stayed or overturned an arbitrator's decision?

It can happen. One example: Following the collusion settlement, Steve Garvey claimed damages and applied for some of the money. The Players Association rejected his claim. Garvey then appealed to an arbitrator and lost. Garvey then took it out of baseball to the Court of Appeals, which overturned the arbitrator's decision.

If I was A-Rod, though, I wouldn't hold my breath.
   68. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4636361)
I would think the Yankees would pay $30M to walk away.

And I would think that A-Rod won't give back $30M for nothing.
   69. Barnaby Jones Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4636362)
Hey, this is an odd place to ask this, but is there a link where the old Wiki Gonzalez is stll active?


Internet archive has some of it:

link
   70. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4636363)
"ties to Biogenesis."


I don't know, that seems like a pretty skinny tie with which to pin a season-long suspension on a player.

Is the decision published? Will details come out in the injunction/appeal process?
   71. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4636364)
   72. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4636366)
It's tricky, though. I know that when I go on a two-week vacation, there's always a moment (it gets longer and more powerful as I age) towards the end of it where I say "I don't want to get up early and do this anymore."

Rod will have - what, 14 months? to sit around and get used to not playing, not eating like an athlete, not working out every day. Maybe he sleeps in and plays video games. Maybe he gets all potted up and moves to Colorado.
   73. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4636368)
All I've seen so far is the headline but it's clear my prediction of what the arbitrator would do was very wrong. I figured on 50-65 games as the best bet, 0 games as the second best bet, and anything over 100 to be very surprising (and thus make me flat wrong).

Except... if in federal court ARod has a better outcome then I withdraw my assessment of being wrong. It will be difficult for ARod to prevail there, though, for structural reasons.

Granted I haven't seen the evidence, obviously, but I'm interested in seeing how structurally Horowitz justified the penalty per the JDA/CBA.

And ARod is right: this is very bad for the players, although many of them don't realize it.
   74. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4636369)
MLBPA "strongly disagrees" with the ruling.

And John Kruk is a real #######.
   75. Buck Coats Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4636371)
If there's one thing that's clear about A-Rod, it's that he loves baseball. Loves baseball. After games he goes home and watches baseball. There's no way he's giving away 30 million dollars in exchange for not playing baseball anymore - that's a lose-lose for him.
   76. BDC Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4636372)
Rod will have - what, 14 months? to sit around and get used to not playing, not eating like an athlete, not working out every day

OTOH, cantering through the Elysian Fields should keep him in shape. And he'll get a good workout fighting Lapiths.
   77. DA Baracus Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4636374)
Get your popcorn ready: ARod plans to go to spring training.
   78. Bob Tufts Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4636376)
Calcaterra has tweeted a few of the relevant cases. The major one ironically involves the USW in 1960 - Marvin Miller was the USW chief labor economist at that time.
   79. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4636377)
Sherman has the Yankees at about $151.5M now not including arbitration guys, so I think $189 could be in play.
   80. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4636379)
ESPN's legal analyst thinks A-Rod may get an injunction but that it would be quickly overturned. He also thinks a judge won't overturn the decision and that A-Rod is basically done.

The think that strikes me as odd about A-Rod's response to the decision is that they will attempt to argue that this is merely a way to get rid of guaranteed contracts for the next CBA, and that this is an end-run around that negotiated right. That has me thinking they're grasping at straws and that they desperately want the player's union to get involved so that this becomes a contractual matter (and not an "unfair arbitrator" matter).
   81. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4636384)
79: My bet would be that Sherman is wrong and SG is right. MSM writes never seem to pay any attention to how lux tax is really calculated; they tend to just add up current year salaries, or copy a top line number from somebody else.

EDIT: as I suspected, Sherman's number looks suspiciously like Cot's minus A-Rod. Either way, doesn't include Thornton and Roberts. Yahoo Sports puts them at $189.2M
   82. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:54 PM (#4636386)
81. I don't think so. Cots has the Yankees at $177M for next year with A-Rod's salary still counting.
   83. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4636388)
Baseball Ref has estimated $172 with A-Rod, but I think that's wrong. It has Vernon Wells money coming off the books, but no salary for him. It also doesn't have whatever Brian Roberts salary is. I'd guess that the estimate right now should be about $165 in salary.
   84. PreservedFish Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4636389)
Are centaurs and horses friends? Or do centaurs look down on horses as inferior beings? I'm not sure if the centaurs would have a special affinity for the animals that they share so much with, or if there would be a sense of revulsion. Maybe they're racist against horses.
   85. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4636391)
81: Having trouble editing. As I said, Sherman's number looks suspiciously like Cot's minus A-Rod. And that doesn't include Thornton and Roberts. Yahoo Sports puts the Yankees at $189.2M for signed players (including Thornton and Roberts) plus benefits.
   86. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:07 PM (#4636392)
83: Wells still counts unless they manage to trade him. So does anybody else they release to clear a roster spot.
   87. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4636393)
Cots has Roberts and Thornton on there now actually. And I don't think Sherman has included benefits in his calculations. That's about $10M right?
   88. JJ1986 Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4636394)
83: Wells still counts unless they manage to trade him. So does anybody else they release to clear a roster spot.


Right. He should be there (at about $2m I think), but right now he counts as -$19m. It would be $193 with Wells, $195 with Wells and Roberts.
   89. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4636396)
And finally, whatever the correct number is, it's only for ~15 players under contract. Robertson, Gardner, and Nova will cost ~$12M in arbitration. Seven or eight more guys making the minimum would be ~$4M. And lux tax is on 40-man roster, not 25.
   90. TJ Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4636397)
Are centaurs and horses friends? Or do centaurs look down on horses as inferior beings? I'm not sure if the centaurs would have a special affinity for the animals that they share so much with, or if there would be a sense of revulsion. Maybe they're racist against horses.


I think A Rod just went from "centaur" to "gelding"...
   91. Gamingboy Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4636398)

Are centaurs and horses friends? Or do centaurs look down on horses as inferior beings? I'm not sure if the centaurs would have a special affinity for the animals that they share so much with, or if there would be a sense of revulsion. Maybe they're racist against horses.


An interesting question. Sort of like wondering if merpeople eat fish or if werewolves get fleas.
   92. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4636399)
87: $11.5M
88: $2.4M
   93. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:15 PM (#4636400)
91: yes and yes

But frog and toad are friends.
   94. The District Attorney Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4636403)
Even if A-Rod lawyers himself onto the roster, will it be worth it for any reason other than spite (and who is he, Murray Chass?) when he gets stapled to the bench? I don't see how he could prove in court that the Yankees actually think he's a better player than Michael Young.

(Admittedly, it's possible the Yanks would want to play him -- certainly their attitude last year was "if he's here, he's playing." But I think things have changed, and although the Yanks still intellectually realize A-Rod is better than Young, they'd nonetheless rather play Young and have A-Rod go away.)
   95. PreservedFish Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4636404)
If my understanding of evolution is correct, werewolves are likely to be infected with a unique species of flea that is capable of thriving in both human and wolfman environments. In fact, this may be the best possible way to identify a werewolf between full moons.
   96. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4636407)
So what is A-Rod's next step, exactly, if he intends to fight fight fight every bit of the way?


File in federal court and seek an injunction allowing him to play while his appeal is proceeding.

ARod will argue that the harm to him is that if he wins he can never get the games back.

MLB will argue that if he's allowed to play while the appeal is proceeding it subverts the drug system and allows offenders to avoid punishment for longer than is warranted.
   97. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:33 PM (#4636408)
Not without a settlement of some kind. He's not walking away from $61M.

Oh, I agree. But I would think the Yankees would pay $30M to walk away.


But why would he take that? The maximum salary he's going to lose from this is one season, $25 million, and then he's back in action in 2015. If he's unable to play after that the Yankees owe him the remainder.
   98. Ray (RDP) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4636409)
When in the collective bargaining era of MLB history has a court ever stayed or overturned an arbitrator's decision?


We're sort of in uncharted waters here, Joey.
   99. rudygamble Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:37 PM (#4636410)
Assuming A-Rod used illegal PEDs and messed with the investigation, I think the suspension is warranted.

Only thing that should be made clear for future precedent is 50 games for offense, 112 games for conduct.

If I am a member of MLBPA, I wouldn't give a s&*t about guys like A-Rod and Braun who are 1) supremely gifted, 2) knowingly cheat (using a shady doctor says it all) and 3) proclaim innocence and use MLBPA as a shield.

Is A-Rod the likely leader now in career ABs on juice? I'd guess he's used non-stop since at least the 1st year with the Rangers. Maybe Canseco or McGwire still have the career lead?
   100. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: January 11, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4636413)
I want to see what kind of numbers he puts up in Indy-ball.
Is he allowed to? I would imagine that a standard baseball player contract would include some language about requiring the team's authorization for other athletic events. Hell, I remember somebody (Aaron Boone?) falling afoul of his contract because he played a pickup basketball game, or something like that.

Does ARod's contract not include such a thing? Or is he not required to abide by it during the terms of the suspension?
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