Crazy Luke Scott must have had some kind of jackassian clubhouse influence.
Here’s what happened Friday: This bare-chested man was milking the crowd and weaving around the Baltimore City Police officers who are instructed to create a seal around the trespassers until it is eventually closed. But that gives these clowns plenty of time in the spotlight.
And Friday’s perpetrator had an extended frolicking period – so much that he ran down the third base line and slid headfirst into home plate. He got up to the roar of the crowd, and immediately went back down – thanks to a NFL-Draft-worthy hit from plate umpire Jeff Kellogg, who face-planted the man into the Camden Yards turf, to more shrieks of delight.
...“That was awesome. I told [Kellogg], ‘That’s awesome,’” Jones said. “I’m sick and tired of these guys running on the field, man. I said let’s get a K-9, something. A K-9 [unit] would be fine.”
More Jones: “It’s so annoying. You’re stopping the game. I understand you’re drunk. I mean, go do that on someone else’s expense. I hope that’s [Kellogg’s tackle] a lesson.
Perhaps Jones’ most electric comment was the idea that anyone who runs onto the field should be tased.
“I’d [advocate] that people get tased. I’d enjoy that. You don’t run on the field and just disturb a game that’s going on. It’s private property, and I’m sick and tired. I don’t like the way the cops go after them here,” Jones said. “I know it’s not their call. I know the rules; they want them to create a circle or seal. Those kids are running all around those guys. No disrespect to the cops, but go get this dude, put your knee in his throat and tie his [butt] up, simple as that. It’s so annoying. I wish I can go out there as a player, but we can’t.”
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Okay, K9 units will only be used when the opposing team is fielding.
I see what you did there.
Yeah, but Joe Dimaggio once gave an autograph to a kid who ran out to centerfield in the middle of an inning.
Well, I think tasing has only become popular because we've gotten so wimpish about police using their clubs.
Granted cops do go over the line, and they shouldn't be beating people in the head with nightsticks, but a club blow to the leg, or midsection, would have been the "traditional" non-lethal way for a cop to subdue an evading suspect.
I'd also guess that proper use of a club is less dangerous to the perp than being gang tackled by 3-4 cops, or being tased. It just looks worse on TV, so we shy away.
How about this new rule: you cannot complain about tasering until you have been effected by someone who resists arrest, and have found another, less intrusive way to deal with it?
they did in 1980. Tom Boswell said this led to a new ground rule at the Vet: "attack dogs are in play"
How about this new rule: you cannot complain about tasering until you have been effected by someone who resists arrest, and have found another, less intrusive way to deal with it?
I've read about proposals to have police helicopters equipped with giant magnets remove stalled cars from rush hour traffic. Seems like some variant of that idea might be worth a try here, maybe pick up the party boy with a piece of oversized flypaper and drop him somewhere in the middle of a forest, flypaper and all, without a compass or a cell phone. Give him something to think about.
Hey, it'd sure make for a more entertaining YouTube moment than the 1000th video of a taser. And I'm sure you could get some enterprising flypaper company to sponsor the event.
Sure, I've seen the Rodney King video.
New rule: You are not allowed to propose new rules, unless you understand the difference between effected and affected.
This sounds dirty.
EDIT: DAMMIT I HATE PANTS.
A friend of mine's great-grandfather was some kind of constable in London during WW1. His dad was showing me his nightstick at a New Years' Party once. It felt pretty cool swinging it around pretending I was whacking old ladies for "queue jumping" at a soup kitchen.
Which is a solid reminder of why I would be a poor cop.
"Resisting" according to who, the cops?
New police-report boilerplate: "We tackled him, and when we stomped his legs and wrenched his arms behind his back, he flinched, so he was resisting, so I used my Taser on him."
That boilerplate is 20 years old. The new boilerplate is, "We told him to stop filming us with his camera and he didn't, so he was resisting, so I used my taser on him."
You mean the ones who went to the Imperial Stormtrooper's Marksmanship Academy?
Have you read the Stephen Brill essay "Maybe the jury was right?" read it; it very illuminating. The police in that situation followed all appropriate LA police procedure as the victim, who went 100 mph through busy streets to avoid lawful arrest, continued to resist arrest beyond what the police thought was safe. And as for me, I far more worry about punks going 100 mph in crowded areas than the police dealing with them.
There should be a TPS report for this, and it should require the perp's signature before he can be tasered.
Once in college this drunk/high guy tried to force his way into our party. I was working the door and me and two others just walked him down a flight of steps, which he didn't like, so he tried to run back up and push through us. We pushed back so he struck one of my friends in the face. The friend freaked out and started whaling on him and shoved him down the steps. The other friend stepped between them and told the first friend to cool it. So drunk/high guy punches him in the back of the head, and this friend freaks out and starts punching him.
I grab the guy and drag him away from the door into the parking lot, all the while telling him and my two friends to cool it, no one needs to get hurt. He gets away from me and after the two friends, and punches an innocent bystander which causes the bystander and my friends start whaling on him as a group. At this point I'm not interested in physically intervening, because I know what will happen, so I just try to verbally calm everyone down, but they aren't listening.
My 6 foot 6 pacifist brother comes out and sees three guys whaling on this poor guy, all bloody by now and clothes torn from being repeatedly thrown to the ground. He grabs the three guys and single handedly pulls them off and for a moment I think, aha, the guy is calming, realizing he's been saved by a good samaritan. Then he punches my brother in the face.
My brother freaks out and starts whaling on the drunk/high guy, who of course continues to get up every time he's knocked down. As he's doing this the cops finally show up. My brother, realizing this (and probably coming to his senses a bit) stops. The drunk/high guy gets up again to come after my brother but the cop steps in between, so the drunk/high guy punches the cop instead. This earns drunk/high guy a thrashing with the night-stick, ending with being unceremoniously shoved into the back seat of the police cruiser.
I was told the cops didn't go straight to the police station, that the kid got them to stop and give him some more application of the nightstick.
Yea, tasers are so, so, awful. It's so easy to control people without them, especially when they are drunk. If cops would just yell "time-out" during a brawl they could take their time, call their supervisor if need be, and determine the precise minimum amount of force and strategy needed to subdue someone without injuring them or requiring that nasty taser. Plus we know these suspects never have any sharp objects or weapons hidden on them so what's the worry?
What part of your story above is non-violent? I'm talking about tasering a kid in a University auditorium because he's heckling a politician. Tasering a guy who's running around on a baseball field. Tasering an old man in his home because he refuses to go to the hospital. Things like that. Adam Jones wants to taser a guy because he is being inconvenienced at work for a minute or 2. That's disgusting.
Jeff Kellogg -- well done. I'd have given him a swift face wash into the dirt too, but he did a good job. The part I don't like is the article's implication that Kellogg might get in trouble for this.
"Perhaps Jones’ most electric comment was the idea that anyone who runs onto the field should be tased.
“I’d [advocate] that people get tased. I’d enjoy that."
But that's a mistake. The odds of a cop killing someone with a nightstick, or while wrenching his arm are virtually nil. A taser can kill someone.
Over-reaction to cops using nightsticks has led to the use of a potentially more dangerous solution.
Added bonus: now the government can oppress David at Taserpoint, which I think we can all agree is a de-escalation from their previous position.
I was hoping for something more like this.
Well, he did let the dude score. Doesn't do much good to tackle him AFTER he touches home plate.
Have you actually seen the video? The don't tase me bro was grabbed by a bunch of cops and was yank out the door. There was 7 cops on him when they decided to start tasing him.
Except he wasn't yanked out the door, specifically because of his non-compliance. Regardless of what he was saying, his physical actions showed that if you gave him an inch, he would fight back. Yeah, tasing a guy who is pinned to the ground is an extreme measure, so then what is the appropriate measure to take when it's going to require 4 officers to have to pretty much carry a guy kicking and screaming to subdue the situation?
5 mg of haloperidol?
The primary problem here (beyond the dude of course, but there are cuckoo people in the world and the reason we pay cops and security guards is deal with them) was the officers/security team's incompetence. Any Krav Maga teacher in a relatively short period of time can show you how to force compliance on just about any person from any angle. Much less when there are 7 of you holding him down.
I dunno, I saw Moti Horenstein fight in the UFC.
There've been a couple of recent cases in SoCal that made the local news. In one case, a transsexual woman drinking in the desert with her friends was tasered multiple times--including once in the genitals, according to her--by Imperial County LEOs because she wouldn't lay face down in the dirt. The video of the encounter is particularly revealing as to what standards LEOs use when deciding when to deploy these things. More recently, a schizophrenic porn star was tasered into cardiac arrest after his girlfriend called to report that he was trying to harm himself with a knife. Nice of them to save him the trouble.
On the national scale, the Allen Kephart and Danielle Maudsley cases received passing attention, but nowhere near what they deserved. Even the case where the cop shot someone's dog sans reason (an epidemic that deserves all the press it can get, admittedly) received 10x the press of either of these cases.
Um, having 4 officers carry him kicking and screaming?
Or two or three blows to the gut with a club, followed by carrying him out crying but not kicking.
Absolutely agree on the incompetence, but you get what you pay for, and universities aren't known for hiring highly talented security. If a potential security guard is well trained in Krav Maga, he's probably not riding around on a Segway looking to bust potheads. You have to find a way for this level of security guard to respond. Krav Maga is likely out of the question for the majority of these people.
And give the jackass a chance to start flailing and swinging, and hit a cop or an innocent bystander? Remember, I'm agreeing that tasing is a harsh measure, and security can frequently be too incompetent to use it properly, but we need a quicker and more efficient way to subdue jackasses like that, who have no interest in being reasonable.
If the person is high or drunk or crazy, not much.
Unless we're dealing with an MMA fighter or a large person on PCP, if four cops don't know how to get someone cuffed and hogtied without using weapons, they should turn in their badges.
They can, but they're not being paid to fight fair. If some ####### is fighting the cops, no reason they shouldn't use weapons.
Usually, it's one or two cops, not four.
Speaking as someone who is arguably crazy and was definitely drunk while being maced (self inflicted friendly fire, I was playing with a girls keychain) I disagree strongly.
And yet when it is 4 cops or 7 or 10, or how many were involved in the Rodney King beating, they just go right ahead and tase them anyway.
They tase them precisely b/c of the Rodney King backlash, i.e. using clubs looks really bad on TV, despite the fact that King wasn't hurt.
I agree they tase too much, but if you want less tasing, you have to accept more beating with clubs. The cops should be required to use the clubs properly though; no beating in the head, just use it to the legs or mid-section to get the guy down.
If they use their clubs properly, there's virtually no chance of serious injury.
You weren't in a rage.
If you watch the "Don't tase me 'bro" video, you see the guy wasn't tased until the 6-7 cops had him face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. You can hear one of the mall cops say "If you don't shut up, we're going to tase you". And they did. That's meting out extra judicial punishment, not subduing a suspect, and happens way too often. The security guards were embarrassed that they couldn't control the guy sooner and punished him in response. Total ########.
As Snapper goes for the "biggest idiot" award. But this is typical in that he so very frequently offers up nonsense as fact. This is a matter of record no matter what drivel your "sources" pump out.
King suffered 11 skull fractures, a crushed cheekbone, a broken ankle, internal injuries, a burn on his chest and some brain damage in the beating.
####### moron.
So his fractured face, broken ankle, and various other injuries were like welcome kisses from authority figures. "More, please!"
cokes, etc.
I think you may wish to reconsider your statement.
But I'm happy to let you clarify or retract your statement. I have no interest in playing gotcha.
But his spirit remained unbroken. That's what really counts.
He was a victim of bad intelligence, you can't be so judgmental.
But it's so easy to check these kind of things. Drives me nuts.
wow--just wow--that picture was from this article
this one was from one hour after--he sure got better fast
don't be a troll, son
King suffered 11 skull fractures, a crushed cheekbone, a broken ankle, internal injuries, a burn on his chest and some brain damage in the beating.
####### moron.
#### you.
I honestly didn't recall him being badly hurt. It was 20 ####### years ago.
Oh good Lord! You don't remember his mug shot?
Fair enough.
Primey.
That is from the wiki entry on King. I tried to find the actual case, but I guess it isn't online.
That... can't be what you're going with. I mean, I guess it can be, but, yikes.
What this implies is that you didn't and don't care about the fact that he got beaten. It implies a few other things as well. I'm trying to explain because you don't seem to get why this is a deal.
There's an extensive discussion as to what "actual malice" means under California law as well. A key point because if I'm reading correctly there were no punitive damages awarded.
Lassus, would you rather he doubled down on his original statement? He retracted it. I'm not sure what else you're looking for, at this point.
Uh, that's Frank Jude Jr. a man beaten by Milwaukee police officers (seven were convicted) in October 2004.
Not denying, King's injuries, but come on, that's the wrong guy.
I was born in Jogyjakarta, Indonesia to a family of highland farmers. When the volcano erupted, everyone of them, my bapak and ibu, my sisters and brothers, all of them died. I was left in the forest...alone. I was raised by orangutans and mosquitoes. I spoke no language. In fact, this is the first time I have ever used human language. This is the first time I have interacted with people. But more importantly this is the first time I have used a smart phone. (I found it here in the woods). This smart phone has an app that can literally translate my animal urges and thoughts into human English words! This is how I am communicating to you today. I have never heard of Rodney King before this discussion. Never heard Ernie Harwell on the radio either.
That was a retraction? It sounded like a reason why it was so easily forgotten - "Could have happened to anyone! Twentyfucking years ago!" This wasn't an event that occurred, was talked about for a year, and then was forgotten by everyone. The events of the beating and the national reaction were referenced frequently - if not constantly - in the news, in pop culture, in comedy, in drama, in everything, for an easy decade. That snapper could easily believe to this day that King suffered no injuries speaks to the way his brain translates what happens in the world around him.
Instead, an attack on the person who called him out and a lame excuse.
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