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Thursday, July 27, 2017

Adrian Beltre ejected for hilarious antics in on-deck circle

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Jim Furtado Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:22 AM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:37 AM (#5500623)
That ump is a tool.
   2. Batman Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:39 AM (#5500627)
If hilarious antics were against the rules, Adrian Beltre wouldn't have had a baseball career.

I hope he gets #3000 in another 22-10 game, decides he doesn't like where the base is, moves it, and gets ejected again.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:43 AM (#5500632)
I think this is both hilarious and that he should have been ejected. The game was like 20-10 at that point, so I appreciate Beltre's antics. But, you're going to get run for that, and who cares if he gets run in a blow-out?

Beltre and the ump should have taken it to a full-scale, Billy Martin/Earl Weaver, dirt-kicking, hat and base throwing, arguing extravaganza. I miss those.
   4. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:44 AM (#5500633)
That ump is a tool.


I disagree. That is a textbook ejectable offense, and Beltre knows it.
   5. McCoy Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:46 AM (#5500635)
The ump should have been smiling and laughing when he tossed him instead of being ticked off but then again an ump with a sense of humor probably doesn't tell Beltre to get into the circle.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:48 AM (#5500638)
The ump should have been smiling and laughing when he tossed him instead


I think that's right.

So, to those who followed him in LA and Seattle, was Beltre this much fun when he was there, or is this something that's really come to life in Texas (we saw a little of it in Boston)?
   7. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:55 AM (#5500642)
I'm with snapper. It's hysterical but he had to go.

What gets me is that on deck circles aren't enforced more strictly. It's always amazed me that after the Juan Encarnacion thing that more wasn't done to enforce that.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 27, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5500645)
So, to those who followed him in LA and Seattle, was Beltre this much fun when he was there, or is this something that's really come to life in Texas (we saw a little of it in Boston)?


His teammates certainly thought so. Google "Beltre Griffey Nutcracker".
   9. bfan Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:03 AM (#5500654)
It's always amazed me that after the Juan Encarnacion thing that more wasn't done to enforce that.


I am not sure what that incident is, but I assume it relates to safety and an injury, and batter's boxes are located where they are for safety purposes. Even though this would be a victimless crime, as Beltre is only endangering himself, enforcing safety rules ought to be encouraged and not discouraged.

Or, to put it another way, if the ump had not done anything, and the batter had hit Beltre with a foul ball that ended Beltre's career, I am sure Beltre would have waived any claims he might have to either sue for damages or collect any insurance, right?
   10. The Good Face Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:05 AM (#5500659)
I think this is both hilarious and that he should have been ejected.


This. You've gotta run him for that, but damn if it wasn't funny.

So, to those who followed him in LA and Seattle, was Beltre this much fun when he was there, or is this something that's really come to life in Texas (we saw a little of it in Boston)?


If you read some of his interviews on ESPN about being a Latino player in MLB, he talks about how he felt he didn't really have a voice early in his career when his English wasn't very good, and he definitely seems to have become more... Beltre-ish as his career developed. I also suspect that his field of fucks is pretty much barren at this point. He's made a ton of money, he's had a HOF worthy career, he's loved by fans and his front office, he's respected by other players, so he's just gonna be himself.
   11. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:28 AM (#5500677)
It's always amazed me that after the Juan Encarnacion thing that more wasn't done to enforce that.



I am not sure what that incident is, but I assume it relates to safety and an injury,


Encarcion was an outfielder for the Cardinals who suffered a horrific, career ending, eye injury when hit in the face by a foul ball while in the on-deck circle in 2007.
   12. The_Ex Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM (#5500681)
I assumed that the ump wanted him closer to the plate for pace of play reasons. Was that it or is it just a get in the circle ejection? If it was for pace of play reasons the umps are likely graded on that.
   13. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:41 AM (#5500682)
He was too close to the plate. the ump wanted him to move farther away.
   14. catomi01 Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:12 PM (#5500704)
Batters often move closer to home/at least angled more directly behind homeplate to better see pitches, movement, arm angle etc. of the pitcher...most times that I have seen a batter asked to move it is because of the defense complaining, not for safety reasons. I remember a few examples in the pros and college of the pitcher "accidentally" letting one slip toward the on-deck batter when they'd inch too close. In fact, I caught a guy in travel ball who did this to batters way to often (in this case it was more paranoia than any real evidence batters were taking liberty with him) - to the point where I would have umpires warning me to let him know before the game started not to do it since he had developed enough of a reputation for it.
   15. LA Podcasting Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:12 PM (#5500705)
If you read some of his interviews on ESPN about being a Latino player in MLB, he talks about how he felt he didn't really have a voice early in his career when his English wasn't very good, and he definitely seems to have become more... Beltre-ish as his career developed.
I remember him being pretty reticent to talk much when he was with the Dodgers. Expectations were enormous, and he was so, so young. When he struggled for a few seasons the local press got snippy with him, and he with them. When he finally did have that monster 2004 season, there was a lot of steroid talk around him. All that couldn't have made things fun for him in Los Angeles.
   16. craigamazing Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:27 PM (#5500713)
Beltre's become one my 2-3 favourite non-Blue Jays over the course of the last 5 years, and this sort of stuff has something to do with it.

But it's his awesome career arc that really gets me. One of my baseball reference monthly check-ins is to see how close Beltre and Pujols are getting in Career War (right now it's 100.0-92.3). I think its amazing that Adrian Beltre has a very decent chance of beating Albert Pujols in Career War. Don't think anyone saw that coming.
   17. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:28 PM (#5500714)
I think snapper nails it in #3 -- Beltre's antics were great, the ump was right to toss him, and it would all have been made even better if it had been followed up by a full Earl Weaveresque tantrum (although I think it was on Bannister rather than Beltre to provide that).
   18. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:29 PM (#5500715)
The problem is this rule is just about never enforced. It's odd to choose to enforce it against a HOFer as he's on the cusp of 3,000 hits.
   19. Batman Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:35 PM (#5500723)
The problem is this rule is just about never enforced. It's odd to choose to enforce it against a HOFer as he's on the cusp of 3,000 hits.
And in an 18-6 game.
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:40 PM (#5500730)
I knew Germany Schaefer, and Adrian Beltre, you're no Germany Schaefer.
   21. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 27, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5500759)
I laughed about this last night and still think it is hilarious. Perhaps the Ump is OCD, but he really had to do it.
   22. Cargo Cultist Posted: July 27, 2017 at 01:01 PM (#5500762)
Beltre pretty much had to be ejected for that, but damned if it wasn't funny.

And the umpire is a tool. He should have been smiling when he ejected Beltre.
   23. John DiFool2 Posted: July 27, 2017 at 01:44 PM (#5500805)
Since when is the on-deck circle moveable? Aren't they painted/carved on the field?

[answering my own question] I just checked via Google Maps several current fields-and NONE of them have the old carved out of the grass circles on carved out lines extending from the 3B & 1B lines like I recall from decades ago. When TF did that go out of style?

For example, here's one from when Stan Musial was playing:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ee/9b/8e/ee9b8e6eccce033284ff0bb61b90bbd6--baseball-photos-sports-photos.jpg
   24. unfair bender Posted: July 27, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5500807)
It was such an arbitrary and unnecessary umpshow. I was watching when it happened. Beltre wasn't standing anywhere different than where he's stood for the 6 seasons he's been in Texas, no different than any of the other players. The Ump instigated the whole thing, the Marlin's pitcher didn't ask for Beltre to be moved. When it happened in the game was ridiculous as well. 8th inning, bases loaded, Beltre, sitting at 2,996 hits coming up to bat after going 3 for 3 (homer, two 2Bs) with a walk previously in the game. Yes, he showed up the ump but the ump could have used his discretion, gotten in on the joke and let it go. And yes the game was a blowout, but it wasn't over. The game situation wasn't trivial and it certainly mattered to the paying fans in the stands who'd watched a joke of a ballgame through 8 innings to that point. It would have been nice for them to see Beltre get another knock, drive in a couple of runs and to have gotten excited and cheered a little more before the game was over. Instead they got to see an all-time classic umpshow.
   25. Greg Pope Posted: July 27, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5500808)
The problem is this rule is just about never enforced. It's odd to choose to enforce it against a HOFer as he's on the cusp of 3,000 hits.

You're saying that batters physically move the on deck circle all the time?
   26. Ziggy: The Platonic Form of Russell Branyan Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:06 PM (#5500833)
How many players from the 90s are still active? I've got Beltre (98), Colon (97). No doubt I'm missing someone, but we're running low on them.
   27. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:07 PM (#5500835)
The problem is this rule is just about never enforced. It's odd to choose to enforce it against a HOFer as he's on the cusp of 3,000 hits.

You're saying that batters physically move the on deck circle all the time?


Well no, I'm talking about asking him to move in the first place. As [24] points out this is where he's always stood. Why make it a big deal in that situation? I agree that once Beltre actually moved the circle, the ump didn't have much of a choice, though he could have done it with some humor.
   28. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:10 PM (#5500838)
I can remember seeing an on-deck Adam Dunn stand close enough to home plate that he could have almost hit the umpire with his bat.
   29. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2017 at 02:18 PM (#5500851)
How many players from the 90s are still active? I've got Beltre (98), Colon (97). No doubt I'm missing someone, but we're running low on them.
Carlos Beltran as well.
   30. Greg Pope Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5500949)
Well no, I'm talking about asking him to move in the first place. As [24] points out this is where he's always stood. Why make it a big deal in that situation? I agree that once Beltre actually moved the circle, the ump didn't have much of a choice, though he could have done it with some humor.

OK, that makes sense. I agree that while hilarious, he needed to be ejected once he moved the circle.

I'm skeptical, though, that [24] is correct in that Beltre (and "any of the other players") always stand 10 feet away from the on deck circle and then the ump just randomly decided to pick on Beltre. It strains belief.

Was the on deck circle in a different place for this game or something?
   31. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:48 PM (#5500963)

I'm skeptical, though, that [24] is correct in that Beltre (and "any of the other players") always stand 10 feet away from the on deck circle and then the ump just randomly decided to pick on Beltre. It strains belief.


I attend 25 or so games a year and I don't think #27 is wrong, players really do regularly stand that far from the on deck circle. Your logic is sound but in this case it does seem like the umpire was randomly interjecting himself. My guess is that with an inexperienced pitcher on the mound someone on the Marlins asked to have Beltre moved.
   32. BDC Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:53 PM (#5500973)
players really do regularly stand that far from the on deck circle

Indeed they do.
   33. Greg Pope Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:57 PM (#5500984)
I attend 25 or so games a year and I don't think #27 is wrong, players really do regularly stand that far from the on deck circle.

OK, then. I've never particularly noticed. I'll then agree that this is a pretty strange thing.
   34. JimMusComp likes Billy Eppler.... Posted: July 27, 2017 at 03:59 PM (#5500990)
players really do regularly stand that far from the on deck circle

Indeed they do.


Belier even said something like, "I got hit standing in the on-deck circle a few years ago, so I stand somewhere else now."
   35. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 27, 2017 at 04:03 PM (#5500999)
The problem is this rule is just about never enforced. It's odd to choose to enforce it against a HOFer as he's on the cusp of 3,000 hits.


I'd be more sympathetic to this view had there not been no penalty involved. A plate umpire out of the blue suddenly deciding to enforce the 20 second rule and calling a ball, sure. But in this case, there was no penalty. All Beltre had to do is comply. I don't see what's unfair about enforcing a rule that has literally no consequence to the player (until he went and expressed his displeasure in a very public and disrespectful way.)

Yes, he showed up the ump but the ump could have used his discretion, gotten in on the joke and let it go.


And then the next time a player gives an ump a figureative middle finger and does get tossed, we have the same conversation about how it's not fair that a rule gets arbitrarlity applied.
   36. dejarouehg Posted: July 27, 2017 at 04:57 PM (#5501071)
I recall Paul O'Neill (and Jeter?) standing in a similar location. I saw it last night w/o the benefit of sound and it looked like Gerry Davis ran him. What an over-reaction!

This was a true, "lighten up Francis" moment. It shouldn't ever be about the umps and Gerry Davis is as good as they get. I'm stunned. He should take the wedgie out of his a$$.

This is about a player who is a) a good guy who & great representative of the game, and b) a player on a historic run that people want to see. Hell, I've seen Joe West crack up during a game.

I don't want to hear that it's clear he should be thrown out based on the rules. Violation of the 12 second rule happens on virtually every applicable non-Chris Sale pitch and the lack of enforcement there is killing the game.
   37. Batman Posted: July 27, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5501103)
How many players from the 90s are still active? I've got Beltre (98), Colon (97). No doubt I'm missing someone, but we're running low on them.
Carlos Beltran as well.
BB-Ref has four players marked as active who had played a major league game by 1999- those three and Joe Nathan, who has a 6.19 ERA in 16 Triple-A innings this year.
   38. Bote Man Posted: July 27, 2017 at 11:30 PM (#5501305)
I just checked via Google Maps several current fields-and NONE of them have the old carved out of the grass circles on carved out lines extending from the 3B & 1B lines like I recall from decades ago. When TF did that go out of style?

And I'd like to know why that dirt path between the mound and home plate has gone out of style, save for Detroit and Arizona?
   39. villageidiom Posted: July 28, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5501438)
And I'd like to know why that dirt path between the mound and home plate has gone out of style, save for Detroit and Arizona?

"In style" had been "the path was so worn from overuse that it was a cleaner look to just make the whole thing dirt", so "out of style" really means "we're better at maintaining grass".
   40. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: July 28, 2017 at 02:01 PM (#5501595)
How many players from the 90s are still active?


Manny Ramirez is still active, too, although I don't expect to see him back in the majors. He's playing independent minor league ball in Japan.
   41. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 28, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5501598)
Rickey Henderson has to still be playing for some outlaw league, amirite?
   42. Batman Posted: July 28, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5501621)
I don't see anything official, but a site that looks somewhat reliable says Manny hit .448 (26 for 58) with 3 HR and 20 RBI in the first half of the Kochi Fighting Dogs season, which ended on May 28. They start the second half this Sunday.
   43. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 28, 2017 at 02:43 PM (#5501633)
How many players from the 90s are still active? I've got Beltre (98), Colon (97). No doubt I'm missing someone, but we're running low on them.
Carlos Beltran as well.


Ichiro's first game with the Orix Blue Wave was on July 11, 1992.

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