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1. John DiFool2 Posted: November 12, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4300453)Utley was at 126 after his age-28 season, 128 after age-29. Wait, he's not on the list?? (Ah, 735 games played through age 29.)
Although great-hitting 2B are not as uncommon as the article leads us to believe, the catch is that if the Yankees do not retain him they will need someone to play there, and the odds of getting someone close to Cano's caliber are pretty slim. OTOH, I hear that Alfonso Soriano is available.
DilemMa
It definitely LOOKS better as "dilemna," though.
Turns out some of us may have been taught the wrong spelling, for some reason. I remember being shocked decades ago that I had it wrong
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/is-it-dilemma-or-dilemna.aspx
I only really learned because of the "dilemma" class of card in the Star Trek: TNG Collectible Card Game.
That game was also useful for getting to know the names of the ensigns who manned the helm in each episode. So really, two practical benefits from one card game!
Of course previous to that I could never remember if the L or the M was doubled. Dillema, Dilema, or Dilemma...I think I'd pronounce them all roughly the same so there's no help there. I have no idea where Dilemna comes from, I've never seen that mistake before.
EDIT: I should note that this dilemma epiphany and Star Trek card gaming occurred quite a while ago.
Sure it did. A long, long time ago, like last Tuesday.
The nice thing with maths is that they never have dilemmas despite having tons of lemmas. Of course, if mathematicians ever found two contradictory lemmas arising from basic axioms the game would be up and they all would have to go work at Walmart, so they don't look too hard for them.
Usually mistakes are made in the opposite direction, making the word easier to say by deleting phonemes.
Jeffrey Loria's new yacht, a new private jet for David Glass, another winter home for Stuart Sternberg, the possibilities are endless.
Seems like they've become risk-averse since Igawa, passing on Chapman, Darvish, Cespedes. I can see them doing something similar with long-term contracts for established major leaguers.
This is a great shock to me.
Edit: I should note that I don't think I've ever actually typed/written the word before. I've said it, and seen it, but not used it.
What? If you want to say Igawa scared them off international free agents, that's one thing but since Igawa's deal they've signed--both for good and for bad--the new A-Rod contract, CC's original and modified contracts, and the Teixeira and Burnett deals. There's nothing in the Yankees' recent history that suggests they are averse to long-term deals to established MLB players.
Following the link posted earlier, and poking around, it was apparently spelled this way in Robinson Crusoe in 1719. So yes, it's been around a while. It's very strange for a misspelling to be that common for that long and yet never make it into the dictionary. If not as an outright correct spelling, at least as an acceptable alternative.
I have never heard of spelling "dilemma" with an N before. Do people who do this also pronounce it that way?
No, people are assuming it's like "column" or "autumn".
I won't mind if they let Cano walk if he holds out for an 8-year deal.
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
Raised. And I was a nerdy dictionary reader from age 7 or 8.
I'm (well) under 50, and I had never heard this spelling. I don't know what that does to the sample.
Anyone over 50 who has never heard of this spelling version? Raise your hand.
Never heard it spelled that way for any reason other than a slip of the finger on a keyboard. Just think of pronouncing it "dilemna" and its absurdity becomes evident.
Now conflating "disinterested" with "uninterested", OTOH.....but therein lies age-related rants about trespassing on lawns, and between you and I, I won't go there.
Aguilermna.
I am 42 and I have never heard of this. Of course, I had a completely Catholic Education K-12. Those nuns didn't go in for fancy new educational trends.
It is absurd, but as Howie's 4 and Brock's wikipedia entry note, it's also a very real thing. I'm surprised so many of you weren't aware of this bizarre alt spelling.
I'm nearly 50, have lived in U.S.A, England and now Australia(so have experience with 3 types of English!) and have never come across that before. It sound ridiculous in spite of Brock's Wiki research.
I served - er, attended - 12 years of Catholic school, am 51, and somehow I used to make this mistake after graduation.
Could be a regional thing, too. But interesting to see that many have and many have NOT heard of it. Some English major will do the definitive paper on this, somnday....
yes, always pronounced with an 'm', but felt like column or autumn, as Greg Pope notes in Post 20.
There's an Alanis Morrisette song in there somewhere.
damn near sixty here, taught by nuns, and can spell... I always thought it was "dilemna" and figured that the folks that wrote "dilemma" were the same folks that wrote "dominate"...
ya live and learn.
I'm under 30 and have never heard of it. As the Robinson Crusoe cite demonstrates it's not really new. Perhaps it's one of those cyclical things?
Another cyclical one I think. Though I'm not sure anyone here is old enough to remember when the modern "normative" meanings were reversed a few centuries ago.
In a similar vein, I've seen the mistake between dominant and dominate and lose and loose so often that I started to think that I was wrong.
I hate it when people use "dominate" instead of "dominant". And working in the world of Powerpoint pitchbooks, I see people make that mistake a lot.
The one that always bugs me is "lead" vs. "led". People often write the former when they mean the latter. I suspect it is because the element is spelled like "lead" and pronounced like "led", which confuses people. Or because people are stupid.
Also on the grammar front, yesterday I was corrected by a colleague when I said that we would have a committee meeting in spite of some other conflict that had popped up. She told me we would have the meeting despite the other conflict. I realize how silly my phrase sounds after being corrected but I am sure I have misused that phrase MANY times in my life.
Funny, I saw someone make that same mistake in a presentation yesterday. I thought about correcting them but decided it wasn't worth it.
Maybe they just hate Led Zeppelin.
I'm 28, I was also a dominant spelling bee force in elementary school and middle school, and I've never heard of "dilemna".
My biggest language peeve is when people use "loan" as a verb. It is a noun only, the verb is lend/lent.
Merriam-Webster lists loan as both noun and verb.
Is this really that common? Is it a spelling error/mental typing thing, or do people actually think dominate is the right word? Sometimes my thoughts will cross and I'll type the wrong word, but I catch it immediately in a proofread.
My current grammar pet peeves: Misuse of loose/lose and breath/breathe.
I saw it on this site in the past week or so. It's fairly common. I don't think it begins with thinking the proper word is "dominate," (with the long "a" sound), but by not hearing the "n" in dominant and thus spelling it to match how they hear/speak it.
As for my gripes, I don't like the unneccessary "ta" added to preventive, which is such a nice, crisp word.
Speaking of odd word usage, yesterday, I clicked on weather.com and the headline said "FLOODING WRECKS HAVOC IN VENICE"... I suppose I can be thankful it didn't create havoc.
Never even noticed it spelled with two ems until today, or just assumed two ems was the misspelling. I was fine making the move from "Oriental" to "Asian", but if Dafoe had dilemnas, it's good enough for mne.
Never heard this rule before either.
Also on the grammar front, yesterday I was corrected by a colleague when I said that we would have a committee meeting in spite of some other conflict that had popped up. She told me we would have the meeting despite the other conflict.
Never heard this rule before either.
I can't really recall seeing someone use dominate when they mean dominant. Maybe I've seen it once or twice, I guess, but not enough for it to stick with me or for it to seem like a "thing" to me.
Seen this a bunch of times. Never dilemna.
Is this really that common? Is it a spelling error/mental typing thing, or do people actually think dominate is the right word? Sometimes my thoughts will cross and I'll type the wrong word, but I catch it immediately in a proofread.
I spent a year working for a non-native English speaker who frequently made this mistake and I would always have to fix it. I am sure she thought "dominate" was the correct spelling since it happened so often. She never seemed to notice that it had been changed in the final materials. I have since noticed it occasionally in correcting a subordinate's work, but I think they get it after I correct it once.
57, grew up in NE, and clearly remember seeing it as dilemna growing up, and having it pronounced "dilem-nuh" in a jokey way, by me and others.
NE should be North East, not New England.
It seems to be cropping up more recently.
That's my theory anyway.
Mine too.
Anyone over the age of about 40, how do you pronounce this word: "often"
This word is undergoing a shift in pronunciation. In 20 years, everyone will think you don't know how it's pronounced.
50, educated in New Jersey public schools, had never noticed the spelling "dilemna" before this thread. Doesn't mean I haven't encountered it - for all I know I've been whole word reading past it all my life.
Had a TA in law school who would emphasize the n in "damned" just to mess with people. That's the closest I've got, right there.
Another word I learned to spell through Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Re: Often, one thing I've learned from living in the UK is that us North Americans are really afraid of the letter "T". Quite often I soften my t's into d's, or in the case of "often" just get rid of it altogether.
From Online Etymology Dictionary
I guess being an English colony is why I hate loan as a verb.
I say both "offen" and "of-ten".
I thought about it last night, and I realized I'm also bioften.
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