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Saturday, May 03, 2014

AJC - Gonzalez, Braves can’t confirm suspicions of sign-stealing

When virtually the same Marlins lineup which struck out 11 times against Aaron Harang last week at Turner Field pounced on him for 10 hits and a career-high nine runs on Wednesday night in Miami, he and the Braves had their suspicions.

Nobody came out and accused the Marlins of relaying signs, but it was safe to say eyebrows were raised. Harang had alluded to the possibility in his postgame comments, saying: “It was baffling, like, where were these guys last week? They were way too comfortable. It seemed like they were all hitting like Ted Williams.”

Buck Coats Posted: May 03, 2014 at 12:22 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lassus Posted: May 03, 2014 at 07:31 AM (#4699455)
I can confirm suspicions of whining in opposition to sample size.
   2. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4699507)
"If we get our asses kicked, the other team must be cheating."

Good lord, what a bunch of little babies.
   3. Swedish Chef Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4699510)
The question is rather what the #### the Braves did to create the super-powered version of Harang that terrorized teams earlier in the month. The crappy Harang is just the normal state.
   4. Publius Publicola Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4699511)
Note to Braves:

If suspecting opposition is successfully stealing signs, change sign system.
   5. depletion Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4699518)
It seemed like they were all hitting like Ted Williams.

It seems we have a cryonics gap, gentlemen.
   6. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: May 03, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4699523)
Note to Braves: If suspecting opposition is successfully stealing signs, change sign system.

Of course, but I don't think they even seriously believe it. As we've seen many times over the last couple of seasons, they have a propensity to throw childish tantrums when things don't go the way they like, and they were likely just upset at being road-grated for the first time all year in rather embarrassing fashion.
   7. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4699550)
I forget if sign stealing is considered good cheating or bad cheating.
   8. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4699559)
if this is the team that is the standard for how things are 'supposed to be done' then i am firmly in the outlaw camp with carlos and the other ne'er do wells

good grief.

   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4699560)
and i think anyone who doesn't want their team to steal signs is someone who doesn't understand the concept of competition

using that thing three feet above your 8ss to defeat an opponent is different from utilizing foreign substances.
   10. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:38 AM (#4699563)
The Braves have seemingly neglected to consider the possibility that Aaron Harang isn't actually all that good of a pitcher.
   11. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: May 03, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4699572)
The article itself does on to say that the Braves had suspicions, checked them out and couldn't find any evidence at all of sign-stealing. They think Haranf might have been tipping his pitches. Fredi was "laughing" while talking about it.

So portraying this story as "Braves whine about sign stealing" is exceptionally misguided.
   12. valuearbitrageur Posted: May 03, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4699592)
I forget if sign stealing is considered good cheating or bad cheating.


Stealing the Brave's signs was horrible, it's one of the worst and lowest forms of cheating in baseball.

Now, if the Tomahawk Fops are able to cleverly ascertain their opponents communications through a combination of their innate moxy and ingenuity, it's a demonstration of high moral character, excellent coaching, and how to play the game the right way.
   13. Mike A Posted: May 03, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4699607)

So portraying this story as "Braves whine about sign stealing" is exceptionally misguided.
Yep. The article needs to be read, not just the designed-to-get-hits headline. The story itself is pretty light-hearted and kinda funny:

"There was one guy sitting (in outfield seats) who had a red hat and an orange shirt,” Gonzalez said. “I said ‘Boy, that’s a bad combination to have. I told (Jordan) Schafer and (Tyler) Pastornicky to keep an eye on that guy over there.' The guy got up, went to get a coke."

Also, the Gomez situation was more than the Braves/McCann being the 'no fun' police. But, hey.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 03, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4699620)
"There was one guy sitting (in outfield seats) who had a red hat and an orange shirt,” Gonzalez said. “I said ‘Boy, that’s a bad combination to have. I told (Jordan) Schafer and (Tyler) Pastornicky to keep an eye on that guy over there.' The guy got up, went to get a coke."

I believe that is the sign for "Harang's got nothing".
   15. Publius Publicola Posted: May 03, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4699705)
So, getting a coke must have meant a pitchout was on?
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: May 03, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4699798)
The article itself does on to say that the Braves had suspicions, checked them out and couldn't find any evidence at all of sign-stealing. They think Haranf might have been tipping his pitches. Fredi was "laughing" while talking about it.

So portraying this story as "Braves whine about sign stealing" is exceptionally misguided.


When it comes to the Braves and their vast history of whining, first under Cox, and continued with Fredi...it's best to start with the assumption that they are whining first and foremost, it's their natural state.
   17. bobm Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4699833)
Gonzalez, Braves can’t confirm suspicions of sign-stealing


An appropriate way to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the CIA's radio propaganda efforts in support of the Guatemalan coup d'etat.

[T]he United States decided to take action to bring down the government of Guatemala. They had a number of plans lain out, many which involved direct U.S. intervention[4], but they decided they would rather try a more indirect approach. The CIA would use psychological attacks to try and convince the army to surrender and to get Arbenz to step down. A token force would also invade, but the main tactics used were psychological.

The first step in operation PBSuccess was to start waves of gossip and propaganda over Guatemala. To achieve this they set up a radio station calling itself La Voz de la Liberación. Beginning on May 1st 1954 Guatemalans could tune into the station and listen to anti-Arbenz and anti-communist messages. It claimed to be bringing a message of liberation from deep in the jungle. Though the station could only be heard for an hour or two a day, the constant influx of propaganda began to make the people of Guatemala believe that there was a very large opposition to the government. It could only be faintly heard in Guatemala City, but the effect it had there was powerful. Arbenz was not very popular in the capital city since most of his reforms benefited those who lived in the country and hurt those who owned industries and lived in the city. The government had no way to stop this broadcast. They denounced its claim to be a true revolutionary station, and said that the broadcast actually originated in Mexico or Honduras. The truth was that the CIA had a team of four Guatemalan men and two women recording the broadcasts in Miami. The tapes would then be shipped to Panama and eventually brought to an undisclosed location where they were broadcast into Guatemala. [...]

Rebel aircraft were attacking non military targets and trying to create as much fear as possible without actually doing much harm. The pilots would drop sticks of dynamite and hand grenades out of the planes in order to start small fires and make loud explosions but they avoided targets of strategic interest.[10] The invasion was designed to be loud and frightening for the population, without causing much damage and without engaging the Guatemalan army.

Voz de la Liberación played a very important part during the actual invasion. It said things such as “There are reports of a battle at Esquipulas, but we do not yet have a tally of the dead.”[11] This was designed to bring the invasion to the people without actually telling them anything about the actual size of the invasion force. They also propagated reports of large Guatemalan defeats, troop movements, and rebel strength. Voz de la Liberación made reports saying things such as “It is not true that the waters of Lake Atitlán have been poisoned.”[12] The population was so fearful of the invasion that even when Voz de la Liberación claimed something to be untrue, they believed it was true.

Arbenz was unable to rouse the support of the military, nor the civilians. He attempted to arm the population of Guatemala in a last ditch effort to fight off the invasion, but the people were so scared of the potential U.S. might that they would not fight. He stepped down from the presidency on June 27th 1954. The invasion itself had not been particularly successful. Where it had met opposition it had been defeated, and the sites where it was able to affect were non strategic. “Just as the entire operation seemed beyond saving, the Guatemalan Government suddenly, inexplicably collapsed” a report said.[13] Arbenz was shaken by the radio propaganda and the planes “bombing” the city and was actually deposed by the army. Arbenz turned power over to Colonial Diaz of his own army in an effort to preserve democracy in Guatemala. Diaz did not remain in power more than a few days before it was turned over to a military junta.

Throughout operation PBSuccess it was the power of propaganda and psychological warfare that provided the advantage for the invading force and the CIA. The United States did not want to be directly implicated in the overthrow, so an alternative means of strength was needed. It was primarily found in Voz de la Liberación. The misinformation and discord that the radio station was able to disperse to the population of Guatemala was the strongest weapon involved in the entire conflict. It was called “The finest example PP/Radio effort and effectiveness on the books.” [Emphasis added]


https://sites.google.com/site/richardsonjoe/operationpbsuccess#_ftn5
   18. cv2002 Posted: May 03, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4699834)
When it comes to the Braves and their vast history of whining, first under Cox, and continued with Fredi...it's best to start with the assumption that they are whining first and foremost, it's their natural state.


I'm also a Cardinal fan. Perhaps, given the material used to construct our house, we should avoid stone throwing?

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