Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, October 12, 2012

Al Neuharth: Selig scores a HR with playoff changes

How has Al Neuharth not won the “Al Neuharth Award for Excellence in the Media” yet?!.....Throws clunky Della Street-style typewriter out window.

Baseball commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig scored big when he started the wild card system for Major League Playoffs in 1995.

He also gets a home run for adding two additional wild card teams this year, one in each league.

The 10-team format increases late season and playoff interest. That’s true not just in the 26 cities with Major League teams, but nearly everywhere coast to coast because baseball still is “America’s pastime.”

The only problem is that if there is a seven-game World Series this year, it won’t end until Nov. 1. That’s a little late weatherwise in most of our Major League cities and also presents conflicts with football.

The solution is to start the season earlier.

...If baseball is to continue as America’s pastime, a season running from April through October is its best bet. Fewer days off will make that possible.

Selig could make those changes on his own as baseball’s boss.

Repoz Posted: October 12, 2012 at 05:29 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: media

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Cooper Nielson Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:17 AM (#4265737)
That’s true not just in the 26 cities with Major League teams, but nearly everywhere coast to coast because baseball still is “America’s pastime.”

Aren't there 28 cities with Major League teams? 27 if you consider Los Angeles and Los Angeles of Anaheim to be the same city.
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:26 AM (#4265739)
San Francisco and Oakland are distinct in plenty of ways, but they're usually considered part of the same market.
   3. villageidiom Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:06 AM (#4265753)
This statement is a credit mostly to the efforts of the teams involved, and partly to Selig, but... after tonight we'll have had 6 winner-take-all games in this postseason.

My point is this: HOORAY BASEBALL!
   4. Dale Sams Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:21 AM (#4265763)
Aren't there 28 cities with Major League teams? 27 if you consider Los Angeles and Los Angeles of Anaheim to be the same city.


Boston didn't field a major-league team this year.
   5. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:36 AM (#4265769)
The only problem is that if there is a seven-game World Series this year, it won’t end until Nov. 1. That’s a little late weatherwise in most of our Major League cities and also presents conflicts with football.

The solution is to start the season earlier.


The only problem is, if you start the season earlier, it would be in late March. That's a little early, weatherwise, in most of our Major League cities.

and also presents conflicts with football.


I was under the impression the football season started over a month ago.
   6. BDC Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:40 AM (#4265774)
There are several weird statements just in TFE ("conflicts with football?" when did the World Series not "conflict with football"?) but WTH, baseball is fun, as idiom says there's more of it this October, enjoy, everybody.
   7. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:41 AM (#4265776)
Aren't there 28 cities with Major League teams? 27 if you consider Los Angeles and Los Angeles of Anaheim to be the same city.


Duh, Colorado is a state.

I get 27 too (I would count the Angels as being in Los Angeles, sorry Anaheimians). Neuharth probably just did bad math but my reaction was the same as Andy, Oakland and San Francisco might be getting counted as the same place.

Selig could make those changes on his own as baseball’s boss.


The Commissioner's power is much less that Neuharth thinks it is.
   8. McCoy Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:41 AM (#4265778)
Personally I think every full month of the regular season should feature two double headers for each team. That way each team plays on 150 days plus their regularly scheduled day offs. If that requires MLB to expand to a 26 man roster to placate the union then so be it.
   9. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:48 AM (#4265787)
The only problem is, if you start the season earlier, it would be in late March. That's a little early, weatherwise, in most of our Major League cities.

I know there's problems with attendance being lower in the spring and all, but I think there has to be a way to get games in March scheduled in warm weather climates and domes.
   10. BourbonSamurai Is a Lazy Nogoodnik Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:55 AM (#4265798)
This has been a great post-season and I am entirely happy with the efforts of the double-secret wildcard.
   11. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:57 AM (#4265803)
I know there's problems with attendance being lower in the spring and all, but I think there has to be a way to get games in March scheduled in warm weather climates and domes.


Good luck getting the warm weather/dome cities to agree to give up summer games in exchange for early spring games.

Neuharth probably just did bad math but my reaction was the same as Andy, Oakland and San Francisco might be getting counted as the same place.


He did nothing of the sort. Read the sentence in context. He might be technically incorrect, but his implication was clear that he was talking about geographical regions. For the narrow purpose of his intent, both the bay area and the LA area are each one "city".

   12. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:07 AM (#4265809)
Good luck getting the warm weather/dome cities to agree to give up summer games in exchange for early spring games.

Yeah, I know. Is weekend attendance better during the summer? Maybe the warm cities can get more weekend series at home or something. I don't know the answer.
   13. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:33 AM (#4265918)
when did the World Series not "conflict with football"?

The smallest overlap there's ever been was about a week, but what's more amazing is that up through the 1950's the NBA playoffs were over before baseball's opening day.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:54 AM (#4266024)
I was pretty down on the extra WC at first, but I have really come on board. I'm very glad it has raised the stakes for a division title, and the one-game playoff is kinda exciting.


The only problem is that if there is a seven-game World Series this year, it won’t end until Nov. 1. That’s a little late weatherwise in most of our Major League cities and also presents conflicts with football.


That's mostly because of the calendar this year caused MLB to start rather late. Most of the time the season will end in late October. And like everyone else, I don't see any more conflict with football than in the past.

I don't really get the weather concerns. Its a bit colder. I haven't seen it snow or anything. Why do we freak out about this? I remember as a kid seeing October World Series being played with long-sleeves and crummy weather.
   15. Dale Sams Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4266081)
I remember as a kid seeing October World Series being played with long-sleeves and crummy weather.


Oh, you know how Americans react. One failed shoe-bomber and we take our shoes off for life in an airport. After the messy Phillies-Rays World Series, I sensed a lot of grumbling about moving the WS to a warm neutral site. Heresy.
   16. Dale H. Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4266149)
I care less about this postseason than I have since I started following baseball closely in 1991. Having the Braves choke badly in one game (this year) is far more painful than watching them flounder helplessly for the last month of the season (last year). I've only watched the one game.
   17. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4266159)
As much as I've always resisted the Wild Card, if they stop here this actually looks like a pretty darn good formula. In this day and age of virtually unlimited entertainment options, it certainly makes good business sense to keep hope alive in as many markets as possible into September. And we are seeing some compelling baseball in the Division Series. And winning your division matters again ... yeah, run with this set-up and I won't complain anymore. Selig does deserve some credit.
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4266186)
I don't really get the weather concerns. Its a bit colder. I haven't seen it snow or anything. Why do we freak out about this? I remember as a kid seeing October World Series being played with long-sleeves and crummy weather.


It is a bit different now (depending on when you were a kid), for two reasons:

* Prior to 1971, the World Series was played exclusively during the day. That's gotta be 10-20 degrees warmer, on average.

* With fewer postseason rounds, they wrapped up a lot earlier. The last World Series played pre-divisions, in 1968, ended on October 10, or this past Wednesday.

There's a huge difference between playing a game in Detroit the afternoon of October 7 versus playing a game in Detroit the evening of October 30.
   19. McCoy Posted: October 12, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4266266)
23 days, right?
   20. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 12, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4266284)
Well 23.3-ish, going from afternoon to evening.
   21. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: October 12, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4266320)
The new playoff format had exactly zero impact on the American League races this year. You had a 95 win team, a 94 win team and two 93 win teams, as well as several teams in the high 80s. The races were close and compelling because a critical mass of teams were evenly matched, not because MLB engineered a post-season format that fosters anything in particular. All four division series going to a fifth game also speaks to considerable parity.

Having said that, there will undoubtedly be some future seasons in which the format does engender some extra excitement, as well as some future seasons where everything is settled early despite the extra wild card team. But if we want to give Selig credit for something, it should for creating conditions where more teams can be competitive, not for creating a one game pre-playoff round.
   22. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: October 12, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4266328)
I haven't seen it snow or anything.


I think I remember a WS game getting snowed out in 1971, but I'm a really old fart, so you can't necessarily trust my memory.
   23. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4266397)
I think I remember a WS game getting snowed out in 1971, but I'm a really old fart, so you can't necessarily trust my memory.


No WS games have been snowed out,although one was delayed in 1979 (Pittsburgh and Baltimore) but in 2009:

The third game of the Philadelphia-Colorado National League playoff has been postponed because of cold and snow in Denver.

Major League Baseball rescheduled the game for tomorrow night, with Game 4 pushed back to Monday.

Game 5, if necessary, will be played as scheduled on Tuesday in Philadelphia, without a day off for travel.

A cold front moved into Denver overnight, dropping temperatures into the teens with record lows for the date.
   24. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: October 12, 2012 at 04:26 PM (#4266430)
I recall that in the Cleveland games in the 1997 WS, the weather was miserable. Not snow, but something close to freezing rain.
   25. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: October 12, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4266435)
I recall that in the Cleveland games in the 1997 WS, the weather was miserable. Not snow, but something close to freezing rain.


Wiki has some info

Game 3 was a wild affair that ended with the Marlins grabbing a 2–1 series lead. Both teams were greeted by snow during batting practice and freezing temperatures throughout this contest. The official gametime temperature of 38°F (3.3°C) remains as of 2011 the coldest recorded in World Series history, while as the game progressed media outlets reported wind chill readings as low as 15°F (-9.5°C).
   26. just plain joe Posted: October 12, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4266445)
The NL playoff game scheduled for 10/18/81 was officially a rain out but the weather in Montreal that day was actually cold enough for snow to fall. The game was played the next day in cold, damp conditions and Rick Monday hit a two-run homer in the top of the 9th to defeat the Expos. This is the game that was then referred to as "Blue Monday" by Expos fans.
   27. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 12, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4266449)
The third game of the Philadelphia-Colorado National League playoff has been postponed because of cold and snow in Denver.

Major League Baseball rescheduled the game for tomorrow night, with Game 4 pushed back to Monday.

Game 5, if necessary, will be played as scheduled on Tuesday in Philadelphia, without a day off for travel.

A cold front moved into Denver overnight, dropping temperatures into the teens with record lows for the date.


I was at both those games. The Sunday night game began at 8:20 pm with temps in the low 40s and dropping from there, although it never snowed. Monday's game, which started at something like 4:00 in the afternoon, was fine, sunny and 50-something degrees.
   28. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4266917)
could there be anything more romantic than playing baseball on a snow-covered field, 15°F, a couple of christmas trees with real candles on them in the coaches´ boxes and little candy cane-throwing faeries disappearing into the cold winter night with a heartwarming giggle ?

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogChase Utley is the hottest hitter in baseball and has a shot at .400
(73 - 9:06am, Apr 21)
Last: Foghorn Leghorn

NewsblogMorosi: MLB must evolve to let players express themselves without rebuke
(3 - 9:05am, Apr 21)
Last: Rickey! In a van on 95 south...

NewsblogVIDEO: Brewers, Pirates brawl after Carlos Gomez triple
(108 - 8:59am, Apr 21)
Last: formerly dp

NewsblogIvan Nova’s season in jeopardy after tearing elbow ligament
(8 - 8:53am, Apr 21)
Last: Jose Can Still Seabiscuit

NewsblogPirates Acquire Ike Davis From Mets
(55 - 8:51am, Apr 21)
Last: formerly dp

NewsblogDoug Glanville: I Was Racially Profiled in My Own Driveway
(417 - 8:51am, Apr 21)
Last: The Id of SugarBear Blanks

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-21-2014
(1 - 8:50am, Apr 21)
Last: Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread March, 2014
(957 - 8:42am, Apr 21)
Last: Jose Can Still Seabiscuit

Newsblogmets.com: Through hitting system, Mets aim to build winner
(21 - 8:30am, Apr 21)
Last: billyshears

NewsblogDaniel Bryan's 'YES!' chant has spread to the Pirates' dugout
(133 - 5:59am, Apr 21)
Last: SouthSideRyan

NewsblogBryce Harper benched for 'lack of hustle' despite quad injury
(103 - 2:21am, Apr 21)
Last: theboyqueen

NewsblogTim Federowicz has rough night behind the plate - True Blue LA
(14 - 1:18am, Apr 21)
Last: Robert in Manhattan Beach

NewsblogOT: The NHL is finally back thread, part 2
(162 - 1:12am, Apr 21)
Last: Robert in Manhattan Beach

NewsblogOT: NBA Monthly Thread - April 2014
(384 - 1:09am, Apr 21)
Last: Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

NewsblogZander Hollander, Sports Trivia Shepherd, Dies at 91
(11 - 12:21am, Apr 21)
Last: puck

Demarini, Easton and TPX Baseball Bats

 

 

 

 

Page rendered in 0.3545 seconds
52 querie(s) executed