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AL playoff race: September 30, 2012

AL East

x - BAL 92-67 [19-9 in SEPT]
x - NYY 92-67 [17-11 in SEPT]

AL West

x - TEX 93-66 [15-13 in SEPT]
OAK 91-68 [17-11 in SEPT] (2 GB)

x - clinched postseason spot

MLB.com: Orioles clinch first postseason berth since 1997
MLB.com: Yanks rally to beat Jays, clinch playoff berth
MLB.com: [GAME 1] Hunter stuns Rangers in ninth inning of Game 1
MLB.com: [GAME 2] Napoli plates six as Rangers reach postseason
MLB.com: Cespedes, Reddick blast A’s past Mariners

NTNgod Posted: September 30, 2012 at 07:32 PM | 102 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4249508)
Tampa is technically not out of it yet. They may even have the same record as the Angels at the end of the day.
   2. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4249509)
Elimination number is down to 1 though. It's crazy how nearly everyone relevant is playing really well right now, the Rays weren't all that far out of it after their mid-September troubles but they could end up winning 13 of their last 14 yet still come up short of the playoffs.
   3. DKDC Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4249522)
Rangers take a 6-4 lead!

If it holds, I hope the Os don't stay out too late tonight...
   4. Davo Dozier Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4249524)
So, looks like the Rays' only hope is the Wild Card now, right?
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4249525)
Are we considering making the Play-In game making the Playoffs?
   6. escabeche Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4249527)
If it doesn't count towards your regular season statistics, it's the playoffs.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4249529)
Are we considering making the Play-In game making the Playoffs?


A lot of people have said they won't, though there's really no logical argument supporting that position.

Edit: escabeche sums it nicely.
   8. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4249531)
If it doesn't count towards your regular season statistics, it's the playoffs.


Like the All Star game?
   9. Gamingboy Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4249532)
It counts as the playoffs, although it doesn't carry the same cache as making it outright, just like how making the ALDS isn't as good as making the ALCS and how losing the World Series isn't as good as winning the World Series.
   10. bunyon Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4249534)
As much as I'd love not to, we've all considered the wild card team a playoff team the last 19 years, so it seems as if the playoffs are defined by MLB. If they consider it the playoffs, it's the playoffs.

It works well this year in the AL where both teams are likely to be very close and with 90+ wins. In the NL, it's a shame it isn't the old system, given that the Braves will end up 7 or 8 ahead of whoever they must face. Still, the rules are the rules, whatever old-timers would like.
   11. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 30, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4249542)
Did you intentionally leave the Tigers/Sox off? Either going for a jinx or more making fun of the AL Central?
   12. NTNgod Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4249553)
Did you intentionally leave the Tigers/Sox off?


Yes - 3 back, 3 to play, and they're not playing each other. Not officially eliminated, but realistically toast.
   13. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4249556)
I don't know. 2009 and all. I know that was 2 back with 3 left, but I'll remain vigilant for any potential jinxes, anti-jinxes, reverse jinxes, etc.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4249557)
Ouch. Sox had a 2-5 week; Tigers had a 6-1 week.
   15. DKDC Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4249561)
The Orioles have been hot lately, but this is ridiculous:

Roch Kubatko ?@masnRoch
#orioles charter had “small” fire aboard and had to make emergency landing. Players currently at Jacksonville airport while plane inspected
   16. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4249564)
Cabrera had a somewhat less than spectacular week, so Joe Mauer is suddenly challenging him for the batting title. And, of course, Mike Trout is still just four points behind Cabrera in that category, too.
   17. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4249569)
Yes, the coin flip game is part of the exhibitionseason.
   18. bunyon Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4249570)
No one wants it in Dallas.
   19. Don Malcolm Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4249572)
Au contraire, they both want it...but why Washington decided to leave Holland in so long is one of those things that people might well be debating if the Rangers let this one get away. Barnburner time in Arlington...
   20. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:51 PM (#4249579)
Yes - 3 back, 3 to play, and they're not playing each other. Not officially eliminated, but realistically toast.



It's the Tigers, and they're playing Kansas City while the White Sox play Cleveland. A one-game playoff is virtually guaranteed.
   21. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4249580)
I don't know. The Tigers' starting rotation has been nails over the last couple of weeks, even with Scherzer going down.
   22. Don Malcolm Posted: September 30, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4249581)
Yes, a playoff for the AL Central and a three-way tie for the last wild card slot--that's what we want!
   23. PreservedFish Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4249583)
I was at the A's game. Pathetic crowd. I'm wondering if I'll be able to walk and get playoff tix at the gate.
   24. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4249586)
Roch Kubatko ?@masnRoch
#orioles charter had “small” fire aboard and had to make emergency landing. Players currently at Jacksonville airport while plane inspected
That's bullshit, I paid the guy for a full-on explosion. "Small" fire my ass. If he think he's getting the 50% for when the job was done, he's fooling himself.
   25. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4249592)
Is Trumbo the youngest ever 30/30 guy?
   26. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4249594)
Joe Nathan should throw over to first a couple more times.
   27. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4249596)
Congrats to the Rangers. Well done.
   28. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4249597)
Hehe, yeah, but he got it done. Rangers and Orioles clinch a playoff birth.
   29. NTNgod Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4249598)
That's ########, I paid the guy for a full-on explosion.

Next time, don't try and contract that sort of work from Craigslist.
   30. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4249599)
I was at the A's game. Pathetic crowd. I'm wondering if I'll be able to walk and get playoff tix at the gate.

Dunno, but right now I'm planning to show up Wednesday & be pathetic myself, possibly with Amazing GF and the Cat Whisperer in tow.
Anybody wants to try & meet up, let me know!
   31. Chokeland Bill Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4249600)
So Rangers, Yankees, and Orioles are all in now. Tigers need a win or a Sox loss. A's need a win or a loss each from the Rays and Angels.
   32. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4249602)
Next time, don't try and contract that sort of work from Craigslist.
I used BackPage.com though!
   33. Loren F. Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:31 PM (#4249603)
I think Trout is the youngest 30/30 guy. I believe the previous youngest was A-Rod, who did it in 1998, his age 22 season.
   34. The importance of being Ernest Riles Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4249604)
I was at the A's game. Pathetic crowd. I'm wondering if I'll be able to walk and get playoff tix at the gate.


I was there too (Sec 317, best seats in the house). The crowd was pathetic in that it was small, but it was as electric as I've experienced at the Coli over the last few years. Those who were there were *really* there.
   35. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4249605)
Damn, congrats to Baltimore! What fun!
   36. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4249606)
Yes, the coin flip game is part of the exhibitionseason.


Now I'm starting to feel bad for the play-in game. People who like the postseason don't like it, and people who don't like the postseason don't like it. Poor li'l play-in game!
   37. Loren F. Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:43 PM (#4249607)
Looking more and more like the Yanks and O's will have to play a tiebreaker. I would bet each goes 2-1 in the next 3-game series (in other words, I don't like the Yankees' chances in the Lester-Nova game).
   38. rlc Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4249609)
Is Trumbo the youngest ever 30/30 guy?


Pretty sure guys younger than 26 have hit 30 homers and drawn 30 walks. Or did you mean some other 30/30 club?
   39. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4249611)
I think I've made the Trumbo/Trout mistake a few times this year already.
Mark Trumbo is pretty close to Mike Trout.
   40. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: September 30, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4249612)
I think Trout is the youngest 30/30 guy. I believe the previous youngest was A-Rod, who did it in 1998, his age 22 season.


Only 6 20 year olds have ever hit 30 or more HR. Trout has more SB than the other 5 combined.
   41. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4249614)
Rangers and Orioles clinch a playoff birth.
As do the Yankees. Sorry.

Have three teams ever clinched a playoff berth on one out before?
   42. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:05 PM (#4249616)
Now I'm starting to feel bad for the play-in game. People who like the postseason don't like it, and people who don't like the postseason don't like it. Poor li'l play-in game!
Eh. I don't like the idea of expanding the playoffs in general, nor do I like the NFLification of MLB. But I do like that winning the division means a lot more than winning the WC.
   43. Gamingboy Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4249618)
The questions that will determine the AL East:
1. Will Bobby Valentine rally his troops in one final act of defiance against the Yankees? Or will he just kind of sit back and think about what network he'll be able to get a broadcasting job at?
2. Once/if the Rays are eliminated, what does Maddon do? I mean, you'd think that he'd still be playing most of the regulars, but maybe there's some part of the unwritten rules where he pays back the Orioles for last season by sitting Longoria or something.
3. If there is a tie-breaker game, can the Orioles get the Ravens to loan them Ray Lewis for a pep talk speech? Because that'd just be awesome and hilarious to watch.
4. If, in said possible tie-breaker game, a fan reaches out and snags a home run from above Curtis Granderson's head, can the Orioles pull the power on the room where the Umps go look at the replay, thus allowing it to remain a home run? Because revenge is a dish best served cold and all of that?
5. If the Orioles were to win the division in Tampa, and nobody was there to see it, would it really happen?
   44. Don Malcolm Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4249619)
Still possible to have the three-way tie for the play-in game...and a tie for Central...AND a tie for the East!
   45. Cooper Nielson Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4249620)
I think I've made the Trumbo/Trout mistake a few times this year already.
Mark Trumbo is pretty close to Mike Trout.


I'd hate to go fishing with you.
   46. Gamingboy Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:24 PM (#4249623)
I think I've made the Trumbo/Trout mistake a few times this year already.
Mark Trumbo is pretty close to Mike Trout.

I'd hate to go fishing with you.


Beware the Trumbofish.
   47. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:26 PM (#4249625)
It works well this year in the AL where both teams are likely to be very close and with 90+ wins. In the NL, it's a shame it isn't the old system, given that the Braves will end up 7 or 8 ahead of whoever they must face.

I can't believe that I'm saying this, but for the first time in my life I actually feel sorry for Atlanta and hope like hell that they beat the Cardinals. That first round should've been 3 out of 5, not a one game crapshoot.

Looking more and more like the Yanks and O's will have to play a tiebreaker. I would bet each goes 2-1 in the next 3-game series (in other words, I don't like the Yankees' chances in the Lester-Nova game).

I'll bet that Nova will be on the shortest leash imaginable in that game, and it wouldn't shock me entirely if Girardi started Phelps instead. Nova's got more upside than Phelps, but the problem is that his upside comes about once every four starts.
   48. Steve Treder Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4249629)
I don't like the idea of expanding the playoffs in general, nor do I like the NFLification of MLB. But I do like that winning the division means a lot more than winning the WC.

Entirely agreed. That's been my position all along since this thing was proposed. If we have to have a Wild Card, this is the best way to have it.
   49. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4249630)
I disagree with dropping the Angels and Rays from the list. Just because they need to sweep and have the A's get swept doesn't mean it's impossible. Three game sweeps happen all the time.
   50. Steve Treder Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:34 PM (#4249631)
That first round should've been 3 out of 5, not a one game crapshoot.

No, it shouldn't. Don't like having to deal with a one-game crapshoot? Then win your f@cking division. Somebody else managed to do it.
   51. Chris Fluit Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4249632)
I can see why MLB didn't want a best of 5 for the wild card round. That would have necessitated a very long layoff for the division winners. But I do hope that they make the switch to a best of 3. It's a nice fit considering the prevalence of the 3 game series throughout the regular season. Plus, they can do it without unduly extending the postseason by reducing the next round to best of 5. Then you would have best of 3 wild card, best of 5 DS, best of 7 CS, best of 7 WS. For this year, I'm just happy to see my O's get in. Any nitpciks about format are entirely secondary.
   52. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4249633)
No, it shouldn't. Don't like having to deal with a one-game crapshoot? Then win your f@cking division. Somebody else managed to do it.
On the one hand, I'd rather see a three game playoff. It feels more like "the playoffs". On the other hand, I don't like the idea of the teams that won their divisions winning a couple of more days. This isn't football, they need to stay sharp.
   53. Steve Treder Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4249634)
On the other hand, I don't like the idea of the teams that won their divisions winning a couple of more days. This isn't football, they need to stay sharp.

Exactly right. The format should respect and favor the division winners in every regard.

   54. Don Malcolm Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4249635)
Still wondering what they will do if the A's, Angels and Rays all wind up 91-71, which is stlll theoretically possible.
   55. Steve Treder Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4249637)
Still wondering what they will do if the A's, Angels and Rays all wind up 91-71, which is stlll theoretically possible.

Time will stop and all that is across the universe, will cease to be, and all that is not, will become true. It's in the fine print.

MLB will have hell to pay.
   56. PeteF3 Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4249638)
I could be talking about of my rear end here but wouldn't that be a 1-game tiebreaker between the Angels and A's for the division, with the loser playing TB for the wildcard? That was the format the past several years of single-wildcard play.
   57. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4249639)
Plus, they can do it without unduly extending the postseason by reducing the next round to best of 5.

The next round is already best of 5.
   58. SoSH U at work Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4249640)
Still wondering what they will do if the A's, Angels and Rays all wind up 91-71, which is stlll theoretically possible.


One game will be played between two of them, then the winner of that game hosts the third team for the chance to be the second wild card.

The team with the best overall record in games between the three teams (Tampa, in this case) chooses whether it wants to be the visitor in Game 2 or host Games 1 (and 2, if they win). If teams are acting strictly based on what gives them the best chance to advance to the ALDS, they'll take the visitor in Game 2 route.
   59. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4249642)
I could be talking about of my rear end here but wouldn't that be a 1-game tiebreaker between the Angels and A's for the division

Given that this scenario gives the Rangers a 96-66 record, I would hope not.
   60. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4249643)
I could be talking about of my rear end here but wouldn't that be a 1-game tiebreaker between the Angels and A's for the division, with the loser playing TB for the wildcard? That was the format the past several years of single-wildcard play.
The Rangers are in first place, and the Angels can't catch them.
   61. DKDC Posted: September 30, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4249645)
On the other hand, I don't like the idea of the teams that won their divisions winning a couple of more days. This isn't football, they need to stay sharp.


This one is easy to fix. You create AL and NL all star teams made up entirely of players on the division winners. They play a three game series for World Series home field advantage.
   62. Danny Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:03 AM (#4249647)
The team with the best overall record in games between the three teams (Tampa, in this case) chooses whether it wants to be the visitor in Game 2 or host Games 1 (and 2, if they win). If teams are acting strictly based on what gives them the best chance to advance to the ALDS, they'll take the visitor in Game 2 route.

The A's would get to choose because they won the season series against both the Rays and Angels.

• If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 has a better record against Club 3, then Club 1 chooses its designation, followed by Club 2.

• If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another, then Club 1 chooses its designation. Clubs 2 and 3 would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick the next designation.
   63. Don Malcolm Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:27 AM (#4249653)
Thanks for the link, Danny. It was more fun to speculate about it, though, than to read the actual rules!

Of course, what we are all now waiting for is ultimate parity, when all fifteen teams in each league finish 81-81 and what happens is precisely (or at least approximately) what Steve outlined in #55 above...

   64. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4249656)
Mark Trumbo is pretty close to Mike Trout.


No. No he isn't.

At All.
   65. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:48 AM (#4249659)
Mark Trumbo is pretty close to Mike Trout.


No. No he isn't.

At All.

I guess you've never had pan-fried trumbo.
   66. Don Malcolm Posted: October 01, 2012 at 01:42 AM (#4249674)
Best thing to do when faced with a trout-trumbo conundrum is to liberally apply Aunt Mabel's special herb concoction so that everything winds up tasting like chicken.
   67. Walt Davis Posted: October 01, 2012 at 03:27 AM (#4249683)
Trumbo -- gumbo made with trout instead of crayfish.
   68. zachtoma Posted: October 01, 2012 at 04:51 AM (#4249686)
I was at the A's game. Pathetic crowd. I'm wondering if I'll be able to walk and get playoff tix at the gate.


In that case allow me to praise the wisdom of the masses in staying away. It's an absolutely horrible stadium, a concrete cesspool where the seats all feel like they're about 30 yards further away from the field than they should be, and anyone who pays money to visit the place is nothing but a sucker. Don't blame the fans, the idea that the Oakland Coliseum can pass for a major league stadium is an insult to A's fans. I've been there twice and I would rather dynamite the place under the cover of darkness than see another game there. If you're an A's fan: stay home, watch TV, sorry.

But yes, I'm sure some people have learned to love it. If you suffer long enough...
   69. Walt Davis Posted: October 01, 2012 at 05:23 AM (#4249691)
Ahh, it'd be OK if they blew up Mt Davis, you'd have a nice view of the hills then. Put some nice beers on the menu, open a couple of good Mexican concession stands and sit back and enjoy the view and the evening desert air.
   70. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 01, 2012 at 06:49 AM (#4249697)
Now I'm starting to feel bad for the play-in game. People who like the postseason don't like it, and people who don't like the postseason don't like it. Poor li'l play-in game!
Oh, just wait til it happens. Everyone's gonna love it then.
   71. Fat Al Posted: October 01, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4249901)
I was at the A's game. Pathetic crowd. I'm wondering if I'll be able to walk and get playoff tix at the gate.


I know nothing is set yet, but Ticketmaster has Yankees tickets available (plenty) for every potential playoff game from the WC on Friday through the ALCS. Shows you very clearly that the Yankees have reached saturation pricing.

Edit: And, I guess that the fans have little faith in this team. But of course, the tickets are all refundable, so even us of little faith...
   72. dr. scott Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4249909)
Collesium is old and has crappy amenities, but as long as the raiders aren't playing the field looks great and you can always get good cheap seats. If I lived closer I'd go a lot more often. As it is I pass AT&T park every day coming home from work, so go there more often.
   73. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4249910)
the idea that the Oakland Coliseum can pass for a major league stadium is an insult to A's fans. I've been there twice

At least you picked one thing up quickly: being insulted on behalf of someone else is the Bay Area's chief pastime.
   74. PreservedFish Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4249936)
Oh, I don't mind the O.Co Coliseum* - I guess it's crappy, but yesterday I got to watch good baseball in perfect weather, so I was pretty damn happy. I grew up going to Shea, so I probably have a low standard.

And I agree that the fans that do show up are into it. It seems like a very high percentage of the attendees are people that attend dozens of games a year.


* Is that the worst name in the history of corporate stadium sponsorship? I only yesterday realized that it refers to Overstock.com.
   75. PreservedFish Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4249941)
Actually, I'll go farther than that. If you can't (couldn't) enjoy a game at the Coliseum, or Shea, or Veterans, or any of those other old crappy places, I'm not sure you're a real baseball fan. What the #### do you need, a comfier chair, a lush gift shop, sushi? Give me a break.
   76. DCA Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4249949)

* Is that the worst name in the history of corporate stadium sponsorship? I only yesterday realized that it refers to Overstock.com.


I only one minute ago realized that it refers to Overstock.com.
   77. Squash Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:22 PM (#4249955)
The stadium was all right before Mount Davis, but all right in the 1980s municipal stadium sense.
   78. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:23 PM (#4249957)
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   79. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:33 PM (#4249969)
* Is that the worst name in the history of corporate stadium sponsorship? I only yesterday realized that it refers to Overstock.com.


I believe so. Another Bay Area atrocity, 3Com Park previously held the title (I suppose you could give Enron a bonus here, though the name itself, without the baggage, is actually acceptable). Out of place punctuation trumps numeral before capitalized letter on the scale of awfulness.

In baseball, Land Shark Stadium had the old record.



   80. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: October 01, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4249995)
Actually, I'll go farther than that. If you can't (couldn't) enjoy a game at the Coliseum, or Shea, or Veterans, or any of those other old crappy places, I'm not sure you're a real baseball fan. What the #### do you need, a comfier chair, a lush gift shop, sushi? Give me a break.

Personally, I would go to watch the Nationals in the playoffs if they were playing the game in a big concrete parking lot and I had to bring my own chair, but at the same time I recognize that I'm probably an outlier that way. The stadium clearly does make a difference for a lot of people; if it didn't, Oakland and Tampa would be drawing more fans than they are.
   81. bunyon Posted: October 01, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4250007)
Joey has a point and that point is that a whole bunch of a team's attendance are people mostly going to casually enjoy themselves. I do agree that if you're a "real" baseball fan, you just want a good game. To taht end, I'd rather have a plain old municipal stadium that was easy to access/move around in than a fancy place in a bad location.

Of course, having a crappy park in a crappy location is the worst of both worlds. Also, given how much other junk is usually going on at a modern game and much more I dislike crowds as I age, I'm happiest watching from my living room.
   82. PreservedFish Posted: October 01, 2012 at 01:16 PM (#4250022)
Joey has a point and that point is that a whole bunch of a team's attendance are people mostly going to casually enjoy themselves. I do agree that if you're a "real" baseball fan, you just want a good game.


I guess so, but I want to emphasize that my enjoyable afternoon at the Coliseum yesterday was not spent in hardcore fan mode. I wasn't scoring it, I had never heard of the majority of the Mariners lineup, and I didn't really care about the outcome. I had my wife and infant daughter with me. ABs were missed because of diaper changes. We had beer and hot dogs, saw some great plays, most of all we relaxed, and loved it. I was there to casually enjoy myself. You can casually enjoy yourself in an old municipal stadium. If you can't, you're not a baseball fan, you're just a fan of the various distractions that new stadiums offer.
   83. DL from MN Posted: October 01, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4250036)
I've been to the Coliseum and despite not measuring up to the latest and greatest it beat watching a game at Metrodome. It has pretty nice facilities compared to some places I've watched a game, especially the open concourses.

if they were playing the game in a big concrete parking lot and I had to bring my own chair


Did you attend the MN 15U state house league tournament too? I had to pay a _gate fee_ to sit in a parking lot in my own chair and the nearest john was a half mile walk.
   84. Fat Al Posted: October 01, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4250040)
If you can't, you're not a baseball fan, you're just a fan of the various distractions that new stadiums offer.


I agree with this sentiment. Personally, I find the new-fangled distractions, well, distracting. I can usually resist most of it, since I don't care about most of the distractions, but I do from time to time find myself getting waylaid at one of the bars in the new stadiums where I end up chatting and watching a tv showing the game that's going on mere feet away. And that's a really stupid thing to do in my book.
   85. bunyon Posted: October 01, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4250044)
Fish, I completely agree. When I say, "casually enjoy themselves" I mean, do things other than watch the game. If you love baseball, all you need is the game (and, I'd argue, good weather). But, if you're not, you need all the frilly distractions. Those folks are going for the social atmosphere, to be outside, to see funny stuff, drink beer, etc. Those people going to games makes it less fun for me. But teams aren't going to draw 2 million people with the game as the focus.
   86. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: October 01, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4250077)
Actually, I'll go farther than that. If you can't (couldn't) enjoy a game at the Coliseum, or Shea, or Veterans, or any of those other old crappy places, I'm not sure you're a real baseball fan. What the #### do you need, a comfier chair, a lush gift shop, sushi? Give me a break.


I found it very hard to enjoy a baseball game in Candlestick, mostly because of the weather.
   87. BDC Posted: October 01, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4250086)
There are extremes. The old Arlington Stadium featured thousands of bare metal outfield benches that some writer here once called "the world's largest open-air broiler." I guess I'm echoing bunyon's point about the good weather. The Ballpark has a pretty intense sunfield (ie don't sit down the LF line for a day game), but it copes with the weather much better on the whole: more seats are shaded, or get that way by early evening.
   88. zachtoma Posted: October 01, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4250089)
It's hard to enjoy a game when you can't even see it.
   89. dr. scott Posted: October 01, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4250091)
I found it very hard to enjoy a baseball game in Candlestick, mostly because of the weather.


I never went to any of the really bad fog days at the Stick, but I quickly learned not to get seats near the tunnels that lead to the seats, as there was a fierce wind that sucked anything and everything into that tunnel from the seats. All the flying wrappers wizzing by my head was a bit distracting.
   90. PreservedFish Posted: October 01, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4250093)
Why so grumpy Zachtoma? You never enjoy sitting in the upper deck or out in the bleachers?
   91. BDC Posted: October 01, 2012 at 02:35 PM (#4250107)
I am hoping to enjoy the third game of the World Series from the upper deck at the Ballpark. This seemed exactly the right moment to buy tickets, as a gesture of profound optimism :)
   92. zachtoma Posted: October 01, 2012 at 05:55 PM (#4250327)
Why so grumpy Zachtoma? You never enjoy sitting in the upper deck or out in the bleachers?


I sit in the upper deck all the time here at Dodger Stadium. They had the courtesy not to put the cheap seats in outer Siberia.
   93. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 01, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4250377)
Well if all the people stayed away from the Coliseum, then that would give Wolfe the excuse to move the team. Especially if they drawn poorly during the playoffs/
   94. bunyon Posted: October 01, 2012 at 06:59 PM (#4250385)
I am hoping to enjoy the third game of the World Series from the upper deck at the Ballpark.

Wow, the upper deck seats at the Ballpark have TVs?


:)
   95. salajander Posted: October 01, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4250518)
Wasn't sure if the Red Sox were going to play extra hard to stick it to their long-time nemesis or roll-over and try to #### over the team that drove the last nail in their hopes last season. Early results are "roll-over", but then it's hard to tell "roll-over" from "crappy team".
   96. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:47 AM (#4250650)
Let's go Oakland!

The A's just had a half-inning in which all three outs were foulouts. Ah, the Coliseum... (though at least 2 and probably all 3 were catchable anywhere)
   97. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 02, 2012 at 12:57 AM (#4250652)
If Oakland holds on, Tampa and LAA will be eliminated. Also, if the Angels also win, then the AL West and AL East will have the eact same records of their top three teams.

[95] They already did a pretty good job of rolling over for the Orioles, so it's not like they'd be playing favorites.
   98. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:08 AM (#4250653)
Wow, Balfour is cursing up a storm on the mound. That is one pumped-up Australian.
   99. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:11 AM (#4250654)
WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   100. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 02, 2012 at 01:16 AM (#4250656)
Congrats to Athletics fans! My Dad is one, so I'm very pleased for him.
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