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ALCS Game 6 OMNICHATTER, for October 20, 2017

Yankees lead the Astros, 3-2.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 20, 2017 at 02:27 PM | 155 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:44 PM (#5559405)
Just want to note how much more pleasant these Astros uniforms are than during the bulk of the killer B era.
   102. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:45 PM (#5559406)
Peacock in.
   103. PreservedFish Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:47 PM (#5559407)
Triangle solo!
   104. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:47 PM (#5559408)
Regular season Brad Peacock was pretty good, but he has a 9.00 ERA for the playoffs.
   105. Lassus Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5559409)
That was a way better catch than the one in CF earlier.
   106. PreservedFish Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5559410)
Peacock instead of Devenski feels like Hinch getting fancy just because it's October.
   107. Lassus Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:49 PM (#5559411)
Tsk.
   108. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:50 PM (#5559412)
ALL RISE!
   109. Lassus Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:50 PM (#5559413)
Triangle solo!

############
   110. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:51 PM (#5559414)
Wish there had been some base runners there for Judge. That went a long way.
   111. PreservedFish Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:51 PM (#5559415)
Lassus, was the triangle invented after that piece was written? Or is it just totally inappropriate for such a piece?
   112. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:53 PM (#5559416)
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit.
   113. Bote Man Posted: October 20, 2017 at 10:58 PM (#5559418)
Noted Round #41 Nationals 2006 draft pick Brad Peacock shuts down the Yankees in the 8th.
   114. Traderdave Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM (#5559419)
Who are tomorrow's starters?
   115. . . . . . . Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5559420)
Really knocked the crap out of that one. Yanks haven't gotten the breaks tonight.
   116. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5559421)
Terror Tot.
   117. PreservedFish Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:01 PM (#5559422)
It is amazing watching Altuve and Judge on the same ballfield.
   118. . . . . . . Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:03 PM (#5559424)
I wouldn't burn anything good here. Game is over.
   119. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5559426)
Bring in Betances ...
   120. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5559427)
Time for "No More Chances" Betances!
   121. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:06 PM (#5559428)
The Yankees have got to start thinking about where to hide Sanchez's glove.
   122. . . . . . . Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:07 PM (#5559429)
Robertson ain't fooling a 6 month old at peekaboo, let alone the Astros.
   123. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:07 PM (#5559430)
BUTTER FINGERS SANCHEZ!
   124. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:08 PM (#5559431)
Error on the throw?
   125. Bote Man Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:08 PM (#5559432)
Gary Sánchez? Or Wilson Ramos?? You make the call.
   126. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5559433)
The Yankees have got to start thinking about where to hide Sanchez's glove.


I reckon they'll hide his the same place they "hid" Posada's ...
   127. Lassus Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:10 PM (#5559434)
Lassus, was the triangle invented after that piece was written? Or is it just totally inappropriate for such a piece?

Definitely invented, not used in orchestral ensemble works (much) until at least 100 years later. Bach died in 1750. It might have been used in dancing music, but definitely not appropriate for Bach.
   128. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:10 PM (#5559435)
The most exciting two words in the English language: Game Seven.
   129. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:17 PM (#5559436)
Astros don't have great starting pitching options for Game 7. Wouldn't have thought so at the start of the season, but Sabathia is an advantage for the Yankees here.
   130. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:21 PM (#5559439)
Using Giles here, with the Astros up 7-1, might affect his usage tomorrow, too.
   131. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:26 PM (#5559443)
Why are they using their closer with a six-run lead?
   132. No longer interested in this website Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:27 PM (#5559444)
Extremely happy for Justin Verlander, who proves a lot of people wrong by showing how great he is. He's a once-in-a-generation pitcher, and some people were burying him a few years ago. Hell, a few months ago. I'm not surprised one bit at what he's done. And I think he'll be doing his best Randy Johnson/Nolan Ryan act when he's in his early 40s, still striking guys out and winning games. He wants to be an all-time great.
   133. Bote Man Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:32 PM (#5559447)
Using Giles here, with the Astros up 7-1, might affect his usage tomorrow, too.

Hinch might be hoping to rebuild his confidence after a crappy outing? But hopes he'd be out of it by now. A tater makes this too interesting.

Forget Judge, Correa makes Altuve look like a Keebler elf.
   134. Lassus Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:33 PM (#5559448)
Boy, Buck really was a lot less annoying.
   135. Howie Menckel Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:38 PM (#5559452)
Why are they using their closer with a six-run lead?

he warmed up pretty hard in the 8th. still debatable given their pen - or maybe not, given their pen.
   136. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:38 PM (#5559453)
So Charlie Morton?
   137. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:44 PM (#5559454)
Bad game all around, but fighting Keuchel and Verlander to a draw the second time through was a lot more than a lot of people expected. And the Yanks are still playing with house money.
   138. mathesond Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:45 PM (#5559455)
On an amusing note, the syndicated Seinfeld episode tonight was the one where George entertains the Astros executives.
   139. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:45 PM (#5559456)
He's a once-in-a-generation pitcher


Okay, that's not even remotely true. Felix Hernandez, Clayton Kershaw, and a few others would have something to say about that.

He wants to be an all-time great.


Yeah, so does everybody else.
   140. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:55 PM (#5559457)
On an amusing note, the syndicated Seinfeld episode tonight was the one where George entertains the Astros executives.

Tonight's game was obviously affected by the Costanza-jinx, but you tell those sons of a ##### that is only good for 1 game - those bastards will see a different Yankee team in Game 7.
   141. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 20, 2017 at 11:59 PM (#5559459)
Astros twitter confirms it's Morton. Who would have guessed that one at the start of the year?
   142. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:05 AM (#5559461)
Okay, that's not even remotely true. Felix Hernandez, Clayton Kershaw, and a few others would have something to say about that.


Shh, you're getting in the way of his "I told you all!" routine.
   143. Bote Man Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:14 AM (#5559462)
those bastards will see a different Yankees team in Game 7.

That's not legal. The Yankees are stuck with the roster that they set before the series. So NYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAHH!!
   144. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:25 AM (#5559465)
The Yankees and Astros are both undefeated at home (as are the Dodgers) for the entire postseason. For that reason, I'd favor the Astros, but those things can change in an instant. Hopefully, both teams dig deep into the bullpen tomorrow. Too bad the AL was the league that got the certain 2 day break beforehand the WS this year.
   145. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 21, 2017 at 12:57 AM (#5559473)
Astros twitter confirms it's Morton.

Might see Morton, McCullers & Keuchel for the Astros; while the Yanks preferred scenario could be Sabathia, Kahnle & Chapman, although I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 6 pitchers used.
   146. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 21, 2017 at 03:24 AM (#5559485)
Shh, you're getting in the way of his "I told you all!" routine.
On the other hand, it's been nothing but sweet silence from the "Verlander's not worth trading for" crowd.
   147. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 21, 2017 at 08:51 AM (#5559493)
The Yankees and Astros are both undefeated at home (as are the Dodgers) for the entire postseason. For that reason, I'd favor the Astros, but those things can change in an instant.

World Series where the home team won every game: 1987, 1991, 2001

World Series where the home team won the first 6 games but lost game 7: 1955, 1956, 1965, 1971. And in those 4 games the home team scored a combined total of 1 run.
   148. TomH Posted: October 21, 2017 at 08:52 AM (#5559494)
Morton had as good an ERA as Sabathia this year, with a much better KO-W ratio.
Shades of 1987, home team wins every game.
Most of HOU lineup bats RH versus lefty CC.
Advantage Astros.
   149. No longer interested in this website Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:11 AM (#5560021)
Not everyone wants to be an all-time great. That's not true at all. Most ballplayers don't think about it. It's unusual for a player to think about that. Pete Rose did (too much probably). Gary Carter did (and took heat for it from teammates). Robin Yount never thought about it, and that's part of why he was so beloved in Milwaukee. Ichiro has thought about it more than anyone since Rose, probably.

We'll see the two best pitchers of the 21st century in this World Series, Kershaw and Verlander.

And yes, those folks here who said Verlander wasn't worth trading for, they are oddly quiet. But I wasn't thinking about that when I posted earlier and congratulated Verlander. It was just a shout out to a great player. We can like players and have fun right? Doesn't have to be argumentative debate?

I'd be curious how many observers here would take Kershaw over Verlander for an elimination game? Or maybe they'd take Sabathia or Greinke? Those four pitchers have the highest career value by WAR in the 21st century. It'll be interesting to see how many of them get into the Hall of Fame.
   150. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:18 AM (#5560024)
I listened to a few Tigers games on the radio station and one thing the announcers always talked about is that Verlander was throwing the ball great the entire year. His results didn't seem to match with what his stuff looked like.
   151. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:38 AM (#5560029)
Not everyone wants to be an all-time great. That's not true at all.


Oh, horseshit. Players of the caliber of Hernandez and Kershaw -- you know, guys who have been better than Verlander -- almost certainly think about it. Great players think about greatness. It's part of their makeup.

You're just making #### up at this point.

I'd be curious how many observers here would take Kershaw over Verlander for an elimination game?


Every day of the week and twice on Sunday. You know why? Because he's a much better pitcher.
   152. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:39 AM (#5560030)
The guy worked at the Hall of Fame, so he might know something.
   153. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:50 AM (#5560033)
The guy worked at the Hall of Fame, so he might know something.


And I've worked in public radio. Doesn't mean I know the first thing about what makes Ira Glass tick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
   154. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 22, 2017 at 12:56 AM (#5560034)
That wasn't an argument from authority, it was an argument from "he's spoken to a bunch of HOF players." That's a source, not authority. And if you knew Ira Glass personally, you'd know something about him, too.

Also, I hope none of this comes off as hostile. It's not meant that way at all. I'm tired.
   155. No longer interested in this website Posted: October 22, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5560158)
It's horseshit that working in baseball means I (or anyone else) knows more about which players ARE great, which is why I come to sites like this to discuss the topic with others. I might know more about how the inner workings of the HOF and MLB work, and that's it. Fun stuff, but not what I'm most interested in.

I would rate Kershaw slightly ahead of Verlander in career value and a little bit in peak value. But IMO, Verlander has done more "Hall of Famey" stuff that lies outside the numbers. He's tossed two no-hitters. He's won an MVP and he's far exceeded Kershaw in postseason performance. Kershaw is about five years younger, so you'd think he will outdistance JV in career value, but you never know. Baseball history is filled with pitchers who were toast by age 32-33.

Revisiting the greatness thing: I think there are athletes who don't care one damn bit about whether they are great players at all. They simply want to play the game and get paid. Fans might be surprised at how many of them there are. A Braves starting pitcher, a guy who pitched with Maddux and Glavine and Smoltz, told me once "I don't care about it that much, I don't even like baseball much. It's what I'm good at." How many of you have worked with people who view their occupation as "just a job" and don't do anything beyond what they have to? Or maybe they do less than the bare minimum and skate by? Now imagine that you have natural talent to be an athlete and you can rely on that to keep getting paychecks as a professional baseball player? You don't care if you're an All-Star, if you bear down every single at-bat, every single start. You get by and get paid. There are many athletes like that.

My point on Verlander, and others like Pete Rose, and Ichiro, and Derek Jeter, and Curt Schilling (I'd say he was very obsessed with being great) is that they don't give away any of their gift. They drive themselves to be great.

But hey, YMMV.
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