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Friday, May 25, 2018

Alex Colome, Denard Span traded to Mariners

Dipoto improved both his bullpen and outfield with a two-for-two deal, acquiring Tampa Bay closer Alex Colome, veteran outfielder Denard Span and cash for Minor League starters Andrew Moore and Tommy Romero.

Jim Furtado Posted: May 25, 2018 at 11:37 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: alex colome, denard span, mariners, rays, trade

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   1. bookbook Posted: May 25, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5679895)
I’ve been going back and forth on this all day. The M’s got better in the short term at the expense of ten million dollars and starters who aren’t likely to impact 2018. And it’s a low-ceiling AAA guy plus a 15th-round 2017 pick (who is pitching great).

On the other hand, the M,s have two legitimate starters in their rotation right now, unless Leake and Félix get their acts together right quick. Who do they need more than rotation depth?

I give up. Marvel at Dipoto’s machinations and see what happens, I guess.

   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: May 26, 2018 at 12:06 AM (#5679898)
Building up the bullpen should help if the minor leaguers weren’t ready to pitch in the majors. I like the aggression of making an early move rather than waiting until July.
   3. bookbook Posted: May 26, 2018 at 05:05 AM (#5679916)
Classic Dipoto in that he deals from a weakness (starters, prospects) to shore up a strength (bullpen, decent defensive outfielders with no power). Classic in that it’s clearly a win now move, but with enough overhang that he can point out it’s not just for this year,

Not typical Dipoto in that he didn’t actually pay a buck ten on the dollar to get what he decided he needed.

Good move by Dipoto standards, but even in the minors he’s basically got what he traded for (Perkins, Andreoli, Miller in the OF, Mills, Elledge, Anderson pitching.)
   4. Captain Supporter Posted: May 26, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5679936)
Dipoto continues to mortgage the future. Meanwhile, does anyone still think the Angels made a mistake in letting him go. All the Saber love for him was really, really misplaced.
   5. bookbook Posted: May 26, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5679944)
Captain Supporter, I feel you, man. The counter argument is that he traded a guy with a ceiling of 4th starter and a 2017 15th round draft pick for two small but meaningful upgrades this year, while the games are meaningful to a playoff run. He has been a fascinating and extreme example of the philosophy that in the long run we’re all dead.
   6. Captain Supporter Posted: May 26, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5679945)
Playoff run? Get back to me on that in July. I do agree he has been 'fascinating', but I'm not sure I would agree if I was Seattle's team owner. In the long run, Dipoto won't be there, but the Mariner fans are going to be feeling the pain for quite some time to come.
   7. Kiguchi Posted: May 26, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5679947)
I'm not sure I would agree if I was Seattle's team owner

On the contrary, it's very likely that the owners gave Dipoto the mandate to win now.

Not sure why people can't give Dipoto props for this one. It's a good trade for them. Applying the mortgaging the future narrative to this trade seems like lazy analysis.
   8. Captain Supporter Posted: May 26, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5679960)
At 34, Spam is a speed based player whose best years are behind him. He is pretty much a replacement level player at this point, and I can't imagine why you would trade for him unless Tampa Bay forced you to include him in the trade, which is my guess. Colome does give them another bullpen arm, but Dipoto continues to decimate what he has already turned into one of the worst farm systems in baseball for a chance at the second wild card spot in a season where their best player is gone. Adding this trade to all his others and I think the mortgaging the future meme just perfectly. This is the kind of trade the Yankees stopped doing, and I'm very glad they did.

The owners may or may not have told him to win now, but I feel pretty confident that they won't be winning much now, and they almost definitely will be having buyer's remorse in years to come
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5679966)
What's not to like for Seattle? They gave up nothing, and got two decent MLB players.

Just checking Sickels, neither guy is in Seattle's top-20 prospects. And that's in a terrible system. Only Romero even gets a mention in the next 35.

We're talking C- guys here, at best.
   10. Shibal Posted: May 26, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5679992)
Tampa just needs to be relegated.

How can anyone care about that team?
   11. JJ1986 Posted: May 26, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5680002)
I think DiPoto is generally a terrible trader (he gave away Luiz Gohara for no reason), but that doesn't mean that all his trades are terrible.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 26, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5680006)
Tampa just needs to be relegated.

How can anyone care about that team?


Yeah. They could have eaten money to get at least one B-prospect back, but instead they go for max salary relief.

Would really love to kill the Florida franchises and go back to 2-leagues of 14 teams.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 26, 2018 at 05:20 PM (#5680095)
Weird trade. I'm not sure it helps the Mariners all that much, and I'm also not sure the Rays got anything worth having.
   14. BDC Posted: May 26, 2018 at 06:25 PM (#5680121)
Ten months ago, I saw the Rays play a series in St. Pete, and their full-strength lineup was Souza, Dickerson, Longoria, Morrison, Ramos, Miller, Beckham, Smith, and Hechevarria.

Their lineup last night was Miller, Cron, Wendle, Ramos, Duffy, Smith, Robertson, Field, and Refsnyder.

I guess the most consistent thing about the roster is that Kevin Kiermaier is always hurt :(
   15. The Duke Posted: May 26, 2018 at 06:45 PM (#5680126)
It’s amazing that a bunch of dumbass front office guys in Tampa and Pittsburgh have competitive teams again.

I don’t know why people jump all over these GMs. They consistently put a good but not great team in the field for very low cost. Seems like a sustainable business model to me.

The counter-argument is win at all costs or tear down - that’s a model I don’t like for the league.

The Mariners, on the other hand ....... now that’s an interesting approach to running a team.
   16. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: May 27, 2018 at 12:58 PM (#5680310)
The Rays are one of the most fascinating teams in baseball, to me—I love the hell out of those weirdos.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 27, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5680333)
It’s amazing that a bunch of dumbass front office guys in Tampa and Pittsburgh have competitive teams again.

The dumbass Rays aren't competitive.

The dumbass Pirates would probably be in first place if they had Gerrit Cole fronting their rotation.

I don’t know why people jump all over these GMs. They consistently put a good but not great team in the field for very low cost. Seems like a sustainable business model to me.

The counter-argument is win at all costs or tear down - that’s a model I don’t like for the league.


If you're not willing to spend any money, even when you're good, then boom-bust is the only model that offers any real hope of a championship.

I don't like it either, but the problem is cheapass ownership that won't sacrifice their $50M per year guaranteed free cash flow, even when they have a chance to win a Championship.
   18. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: May 29, 2018 at 12:07 AM (#5681133)
The dumbass Rays aren't competitive.

You’re using a weird definition. They’re a .500 team and we’re just a third of the way through the season.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 29, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5681171)
You’re using a weird definition. They’re a .500 team and we’re just a third of the way through the season.

They were 2 games under when I wrote it, and they are no threat to make the playoffs. They're not even trying; see above trade.

They had no intention to compete this year. They gave away Corey Dickerson, who would be the best hitter on their team.
   20. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 29, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5681292)
I didn't like TB dumping Dickerson or Odorizzi (who's been solid for the Twins and was moved in similar circumstances) but there's no logic by which I would consider them non-competitive.
   21. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: May 29, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5681398)
To bring this back around to DiPoto and the Mariners -- the Segura and Hanniger trade bought him, and the Mariners an extra couple years. That was a helluva trade and netted them a quality starting SS and a quality starting corner OF for basically a utility level infielder and damaged goods in Walker. Even if he was healthy I don't believe Walker would be much more than a decent back end starter.

All that good news said, DiPoto has leveraged this club and its farm on a playoff appearance before 2020 and his job depends on it. There's nothing more to really sell off, although it wouldn't surprise me to see DiPoto clear out the remaining "B-" types he has down on the farm in Evan White and Sam Carlson for pitching help later this summer. I'd have to imagine that would make them the last ranked farm instead of just bottom 5.

The Mariners and White Sox have long mirrored each other imo. The White Sox went belly up with a similar cast of stars and scrubs between 2012-2016 and obviously decided to just blow it up after failing to reach the post season the next five years, after what was a "promising" 2012 in which they won 85 games. In 2016, when they got off to the hot start, they traded Tatis Jr for James Shields in what might be the worst trade in White Sox history. It was the straw that broke that particular camel's back and the rest is history as far as the tear down.

Not sure the Mariners have a Tatis Jr. in their system but when he was traded from the Sox he was basically a lotto ticket guy. It's hard to predict which toolsy teens will turn into legit top 20 prospects and DiPoto will have no problems trading one or more this summer should the Mariners need a "boost".

Hopefully the Mariners make the playoffs.

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