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Friday, October 12, 2012

Alex Rodriguez not so happy to be pinch-hit for this time

Rodriguez: Still searching for sugar, man.

The game ended with Alex Rodriguez as a spectator again, and this time he didn’t exactly greet the demotion with a smile that lit up the room.

This time, he didn’t sound as supportive as he did the night before, when Raul Ibanez turned Game 3 into his career highlight reel and put the Yankees on the brink of a first-round victory. This time, Rodriguez pursed his lips and made his feelings pretty clear: He might have gone 1-for-4 with two more strikeouts, but he wasn’t the only guy who looked clueless against Baltimore pitching.

And he also made this clear: He didn’t expect to get lifted for a pinch-hitter in the 13th inning of the Yankees’ 2-1 defeat, which ended when Eric Chavez lined out to the game’s hero, Orioles third baseman Manny Machado.

“No, no — obviously I’ve gotten a look at this guy for a couple of days now,” Rodriguez said of closer Jim Johnson, “and I hoped it was a little bit different today, but it wasn’t.”

It wasn’t.

Joe Girardi had let the world know what time it was Wednesday night when he lifted A-Rod in the ninth and turned Ibanez into the darling of the Bronx, so this call wasn’t exactly surprising.

Repoz Posted: October 12, 2012 at 05:51 AM | 144 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:23 AM (#4265738)
Only 5 years and $113 million to go on that contract.

It's interesting to me that Granderson (9 Ks in 15 ABs) is having a worse series than ARod, yet no one seems to be talking about that.
   2. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:38 AM (#4265740)
It's interesting to me that Granderson (9 Ks in 15 ABs) is having a worse series than ARod, yet no one seems to be talking about that.

After four games of Kamitoze attacks it's getting hard to distinguish one stiff from another, given that Jeter, Martin and Ibanez are the only Yankees who've contributed much more than a loud foul and a few 3-2 counts to the offense. But I've heard plenty of comments about Granderson's own brand of helplessness.
   3. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:48 AM (#4265744)
Bu, bu, but, but, but, but I thought A-Rod had learned a lot in the last 10 years and he was all about team.
   4. bookbook Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:49 AM (#4265745)
A-Rod may be a jerk, but it amazes me how much more he's jerked around by his managers than any other comparable talent of the past few decades. (there aren't many comparable talents, I know.)
   5. Lassus Posted: October 12, 2012 at 07:59 AM (#4265746)
A-Rod may be a jerk,

Based on no more than anyone else here knows, I truly don't think that A-Rod is a jerk. I think he's the clueless very socially awkward person that no one likes. Not the kind of nerd that people find adorable, the kind that people don't really want to have anything to do with on a personal level. However, he happened to be blessed with more baseball talent than nearly anyone on the planet.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but that's always how he struck me.
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:06 AM (#4265756)
Based on no more than anyone else here knows, I truly don't think that A-Rod is a jerk. I think he's the clueless very socially awkward person that no one likes. Not the kind of nerd that people find adorable, the kind that people don't really want to have anything to do with on a personal level. However, he happened to be blessed with more baseball talent than nearly anyone on the planet.

My impression is more that he's kind of a bland narcissist. That said, the Yankees aren't treating him fairly but if they want to crap the last 117 million they owe him down the toilet, I won't cry about it.
   7. bunyon Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:17 AM (#4265759)
If I'm a GM I see if I can get him cheap. I certainly wouldn't take on the contract but, people around here seem to think that the Yanks will be willing to eat a lot of the contract in a few years. Well, if that is true, I think they're showing signs that time has come.

I mean, I'd offer some middling prospect(s) and to take on the bonus clauses for milestones if all I have to pay yearly is 3-4 million. I think the Yanks would be crazy to do it. But, maybe they're crazy.
   8. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:22 AM (#4265764)
It was a bad decision to ph there. Juat unnecessary and pointless. Arod is right.
   9. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 08:58 AM (#4265805)
“No, no — obviously I’ve gotten a look at this guy for a couple of days now,” Rodriguez said of closer Jim Johnson, “and I hoped it was a little bit different today, but it wasn’t.”

Scathing comments.
   10. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4265810)
“No, no — obviously I’ve gotten a look at this guy for a couple of days now,” Rodriguez said of closer Jim Johnson, “and I hoped it was a little bit different today, but it wasn’t.”

Scathing comments.


That was my take too. Frankly, the difference in reaction can probably be chalked up to the differing emotions between "Hey we won!" and "Crud we lost."

I don't feel too bad for him but I think Rodriguez is treated as unfairly as any player in baseball. I've never seen him involved in a play where I thought he was loafing, he tried to accept less money to go to Boston then switched positions despite being the reigning Gold Glover at his position after a trade. He's far from perfect and I can certainly understand why Ranger fans wouldn't be enamored of him but it is just laughable the way the sharks circle this guy.

This is from an article at WEEI in Boston yesterday about AJ Burnett. I think you can change "AJ Burnett" to "Alex Rodriguez" and it rings true;

“He'd gotten to the point where he was a lightning rod in this town,” New York GM Brian Cashman explained during the season. “He worked his tail off. The performance was inconsistent, but in terms of effort and accountability, that was there. But every time he took the ball, every five days, it was like Game 7 of the World Series. From the fans' perspective and the media's perspective, everyone was waiting for him to fail. That's a tough environment to play in. We knew he'd be in a much better situation somewhere else.”
   11. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:17 AM (#4265816)
He spits the bit in the postseason and his manager knows it. Makes it tough.
   12. NJ in DC (Now unemployed!) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4265819)
He spits the bit in the postseason and his manager knows it. Makes it tough.

Yeah, it's really telling that he's cooled down from his torrid .250/.325/.360 September, which includes .247/.333/.294 in his last 21 games.

EDIT: Cano and Swisher have "spit the bit," if you want to get into that sort of talk. They're both healthy, capable hitters. Alex Rodriguez just isn't a great hitter anymore and, on top of that, he's old and banged up.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4265820)
He spits the bit in the postseason


Especially in 2009.
   14. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:24 AM (#4265825)
Especially in 2009.

Fluke outlier.

   15. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4265826)
that's always how he struck me


Princess Purple Lips used to beat you up? I'm so glad you got out of that relationship.
   16. BDC Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:25 AM (#4265827)
I've never seen him involved in a play where I thought he was loafing, he tried to accept less money to go to Boston then switched positions despite being the reigning Gold Glover at his position after a trade. He's far from perfect and I can certainly understand why Ranger fans wouldn't be enamored of him

AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with, somewhere below Lenny Dykstra, Steve Garvey, Pete Rose, Curt Schilling, Chad Curtis, and the zombie-reanimated corpse of Chick Gandil. But even I never saw him for a single moment here in Texas fail to bust his gut on the field.
   17. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:28 AM (#4265830)
A-Rod is the robot the BTF liberals imagine Ray to be.
   18. zack Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:32 AM (#4265833)
Without looking at the numbers, just going by what Jim Johnson throws, wouldn't pretty much any left-handed hitter be a better bet against him than pretty much any right-handed hitter?
   19. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:36 AM (#4265836)
AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with

I think my vote would probably be for Ugueth Urbina.
   20. GuyM Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:43 AM (#4265844)
Without looking at the numbers, just going by what Jim Johnson throws, wouldn't pretty much any left-handed hitter be a better bet against him than pretty much any right-handed hitter?

Doesn't appear that way:
Career vs. RHB: .663 OPS
Career vs. LHB: .626 OPS
   21. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:51 AM (#4265850)
AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with

Dick Williams, then?
   22. simon bedford Posted: October 12, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4265860)
carl everett would be my all time not hang out with ball player

   23. Fat Al Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:02 AM (#4265864)
Personally, as I was sitting there at the game, the move seemed insane. Smacked of rank desperation.
   24. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM (#4265867)
AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with


I think my vote would probably be for Ugueth Urbina.

Chad Curtis or any other sanctimonious bornagain proselytizer.
   25. Lassus Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4265881)
Least likely to hang out with? Objectively, Jeter. Seems unfriendly and dull, both. And before you get into the "but the women around him" aspect, they seem to match him just fine.
   26. Ray (RDP) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:18 AM (#4265894)
AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with


As it so happens, I have hung out with ARod, at a $500 pp charity poker event. He was very friendly. Had some interesting things to say, believe it or not.

He wasn't at my table, though. Cal Ripken was. Someone asked Ripken to autograph a $5 bill since that's the only piece of paper he had. Ripken looked up and said, "Is it legal for me to sign this? Any attorneys here?" I assured him that he wouldn't be arrested for it. As long as he had paid his taxes.
   27. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4265906)
AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with


Not Pierzynski?
   28. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM (#4265915)
Curt Schilling and I don't think there's a close second. Maybe Brett Myers.
   29. salvomania Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4265920)
Dick Williams, then?


That's good.
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4265923)

AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with


Ugueth Urbina.
   31. AROM Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4265928)
Curt Schilling seems like a pretty good guy to hang out with. I figure the conversation would go in the direct of fantasy roleplaying. And I'd be safe if it went in the direction of "we should make a game like that, we just need to come up with an investment plan" since I don't have any money to lose.

My mom knew him when he was in Philly as she volunteers for the ALS walk, and had never had anything bad to say about him.
   32. stanmvp48 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4265929)
What's the deal with Urbina? I don't know anything about him
   33. JJ1986 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4265931)
What's the deal with Urbina? I don't know anything about him


He had a farm or something in Venezuela. Down there, he poured gasoline on and then attempted to machete some of the people working on his farm.
   34. rconn23 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM (#4265935)
Don Mattingly was the nicest ballplayer I've ever met, hands down. Pete Rose maybe a great hang in an old-school, degenerate gambling kind of way. But he was the biggest **** I've ever met.
   35. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4265936)
He spits the bit in the postseason and his manager knows it. Makes it tough.


ARod has a higher career playoff OPS (.852) than Derek Jeter (.844).
   36. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 12, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4265942)
ARod has a higher career playoff OPS (.852) than Derek Jeter (.844).

Yes, and while we're into nostalgia, let's bring back Lou Gehrig, whose 1932 postseason is about as relevant today as A-Rod's 2009.
   37. tshipman Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4265949)
I assured him that he wouldn't be arrested for it. As long as he had paid his taxes.


I hope you advised him of the "at gunpoint" corollary. Seriously, though, cool story.

I think the contract isolated A-Rod from his teammates to such an extent that it's hard for him. I don't know why it should, but it appeared to. I think A-Rod would be interesting to hang out with. Worst would be someone that I root for, like Lincecum, because he wouldn't be how I'd want him to be.

***

I think A-Rod would be a good target for the Phillies, if the Yankees were to pick up everything but around 10 million a year. It would solve a lot of problems for them.
   38. bunyon Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM (#4265961)
I find it odd that people here wouldn't want to hang with Schilling. He seems like he'd fit right in here. We should probably invite him.


   39. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4265974)
AROD is the ballplayer of all time I would least like to hang out with, somewhere below Lenny Dykstra, Steve Garvey, Pete Rose, Curt Schilling, Chad Curtis, and the zombie-reanimated corpse of Chick Gandil.

This is the kind of over the top ######## that ARod has to put up with.
   40. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4265976)
If I had to pick one player to be a poster boy for the Selig Steroid era it would be A-Rod the Centaur.

http://deadspin.com/5394232/a+rod-news-from-the-you-cant-make-this-stuff-up-department
   41. The Good Face Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4265982)
He spits the bit in the postseason and his manager knows it. Makes it tough.

Yeah, it's really telling that he's cooled down from his torrid .250/.325/.360 September, which includes .247/.333/.294 in his last 21 games.

EDIT: Cano and Swisher have "spit the bit," if you want to get into that sort of talk. They're both healthy, capable hitters. Alex Rodriguez just isn't a great hitter anymore and, on top of that, he's old and banged up.


Dead on. The "A-Rod is a choker" criticisms made a lot more sense when they were directed towards postseasons following MVP-quality years by A-Rod. 2012 A-Rod is ravaged by injury/age and it's crazy to expect him to be a dominant force. He spent the last month of the regular season looking like a guy who lacks the physical capacity to excel at hitting MLB pitching; why would that change in the postseason?
   42. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:22 AM (#4265983)
A-Rod, a good prospect or two, some cash depending on the prospects for Bay, Santana, and David Wright.

Discuss.

Also, players I would like to hang out with: Pedro Martinez and Carlos Delgado. They both seem pretty smart and funny.

Players I would not like to hang out with: Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling. I don't think I need to explain.

I don't think I would like to hang out with most players. Becoming a baseball player probably isn't that interesting for the most people.
   43. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4265985)
I think A-Rod would be a good target for the Phillies, if the Yankees were to pick up everything but around 10 million a year. It would solve a lot of problems for them.

Yeah, they've been looking for a veteran who is almost guaranteed to spend time on the DL. Can't have enough of 'em. :) Heck, pick up Josh Hamilton and see if J. D. Drew wants a comeback. That one day when everyone is in the lineup would be awesome.

I've been mulling over the ARod scenario and it's the 5 years left that I can't see working one bit. I'm even ready to propose an offer to the Cubs to take Soriano at a smallish % of what he is owed but can't decide if I'd offer practice balls or sunflower seeds in return. If the Phils get Upton and say some kind of semi-plausible 3B alternative, Soriano could almost make sense for LF. Trouble is, there doesn't appear to be a semi-plausible 3B out there.

   44. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4265993)
I'd like to hang out with ARod. He seems authentically weird, but not mean or obnoxious. Could be interesting.
   45. JJ1986 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM (#4265994)
I've been mulling over the ARod scenario and it's the 5 years left that I can't see working one bit.


How about A-Rod (and cash) for Carl Crawford? Crawford's signed for 5 years already, the Dodgers need a 3Bmen and right now they have nowhere to play Yasel Puig.
   46. McCoy Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4265997)
I think ARod gets hit with a crap-ton of stuff like this because he is the highest paid player in the game and no longer comes close to being the best player in the game. So that makes a lot of decision that concern him to be highly controversial. I mean if his name was Garret Anderson and he was getting paid 5 million a year nobody would care if the Yankees in September moved him from batting third to 7th or 8th but because he is ARod and gets paid a bajillion dollars just thinking about it becomes a huge deal.

When ARod was under contract in Seattle this stuff never came up. The contract is what is causing it all.
   47. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4265998)
I think Pedro Martinez and Greg Maddux are at the top of the list.
   48. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM (#4266000)
While I doubt there are many ballplayers I'd want to be close friends with - you don't have to be a terrifying egotist to be a pro ballplayer, but it helps - I think the large majority would be fun to have a beer with.

Guys like Schilling, who love the game and love talking about the game, would be great fun even of I just ended up sitting there while he held forth. John Smoltz, whose politics I find repellent, clearly would be a great guy to talk baseball with. Pete Rose, who is obviously personally repellent, equally obviously is fascinating to talk to. I am sure Jeter and Arod would have some interesting stuff to say. The issue with The Rod is that he just seems like he'd be so difficult to talk to, private, guarded, and deeply weird.
   49. Nasty Nate Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4266004)
I would like to hang out with A-Rod, he would have lots of interesting baseball things to discuss if he was willing: the 90's Mariners, the trade that sent him to NY, steroids, the 2004 ALCS, etc.
   50. McCoy Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM (#4266005)
I've never had any real desire to hang out with any celebrity and I've never really understood the appeal of win a dinner with celebrity X type contests. Whenever I hear about one of those contests I always picture the Chris Farley character who has an interview show on public access.

I mean if I'm out at a bar or something and the guy next to me happens to be Brad Pitt and we're all in a good and talkative mood that is one thing but I'm not setting up some sort of man-date with celebrity X just so I can hang out and shoot the breeze with them.
   51. zack Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM (#4266011)
I think A-rod would be great fun to hang around with if you were close friends. I'm just not sure that he's capable of having a close friend anymore.

And I'm amazed no one has mentioned the truly worst ballplayer to hang out with: Chris Truby. He'll swallow your soul!
   52. The Ghost fouled out, but stays in the game Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4266026)
When you have a contract of this magnitude, get caught with steroids and play for the YAnkees, you have a target on your back.

But then throw in getting sideways with The Captain because of a comment the media picked up, having a agent who makes a big announcement about you in the middle of a postseason game, and cavorting with Madonna while you're married, and you're going to be subjected to electron microscopy.

Yeah, he hasn't said the exactly right thing some times.
   53. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4266027)
I'd like to talk baseball with just about any Big Leaguer. Outside of that, it depends on the guy and if he was interesting, but you could say that about anybody, any time, any place so it really means nothing. Of course, what makes me think I'm so ####### interesting...
   54. SoSH U at work Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4266029)
I think Pedro Martinez and Greg Maddux are at the top of the list.


I met Maddux in a professional capacity, and my experience didn't support that POV. Maybe he'd be more engaging in a friendly setting, but I have no interest in finding out.

Brooks Robinson, OTOH, was one of the nicest fellas I've ever met, and an absolute treat to talk baseball with.
   55. Ron J2 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4266030)
#51 I wonder how Tom Nawrocki would feel about spending time with Truby. I wonder if Truby knows he's become part of an internet meme.
   56. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4266038)
They should have pinch hit for him in the 8th, when a fly ball scores the go-ahead run.
   57. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:05 PM (#4266042)
I would be embarrassed and horrified. I sure hope he's not aware of the whole thing.
   58. BDC Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4266045)
The thing is, if you hang out with Truby, you'll end up hanging with Albert Belle. And Mike Crudale.
   59. Fat Al Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM (#4266047)
I mean if his name was Garret Anderson and he was getting paid 5 million a year nobody would care if the Yankees in September moved him from batting third to 7th or 8th but because he is ARod and gets paid a bajillion dollars just thinking about it becomes a huge deal.


Or, say, Curtis Granderson, who's getting a total pass even though he's been terrible.
   60. PreservedFish Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4266050)
Least likely to hang out with? Objectively, Jeter. Seems unfriendly and dull, both.


You'd rather hang out with Guillermo Mota? Come on.
   61. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM (#4266052)
I would think Ugueth Urbina has to be at or near the top of the "don't want to hang out with" list.

I mean how many MLBers have committed assault with intent to kill with a machete?
   62. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM (#4266055)
Or, say, Curtis Granderson, who's getting a total pass even though he's been terrible.

He's getting savaged on the RLYW chats, if it makes you feel any better.

He should be traded this offseason. What an awful deal that was.
   63. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4266062)
I can't believe I forgot about Brooks, and I'm an Orioles fan. Absolutely everyone seems to agree that he's one of the nicest guys on the planet.
   64. Fat Al Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4266064)
He's getting savaged on the RLYW chats, if it makes you feel any better.

He should be traded this offseason. What an awful deal that was.


Well, at the very least, hopefully this season showed the powers that be that they don't need to save $ in the budget to re-sign him.
   65. Eddo Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4266066)
I can't believe no one has brought up Brandon McCarthy as someone they'd like to hang out with.
   66. Bitter Mouse Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4266070)
I would be embarrassed and horrified. I sure hope he's not aware of the whole thing.


Sure, but it is still one of the great posts of all time. Most of us wish we could spawn a meme (sounds kind of dirty when you say it like that).

I like hanging out with most anyone if they have something they are interested in and are not complete morons (I am not fond of stupid people, I am biased that way). I met a bunch of sports types back when I was a bartender at a resort in Illinois. Hockey players are in fact the best. Jim McMahon was obnoxious but pretty cool.
   67. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4266073)

Well, at the very least, hopefully this season showed the powers that be that they don't need to save $ in the budget to re-sign him.


Concur. It seems like a no-brainer now. Extend Cano, make a qualifying offer to Swisher/re-sign him if the deal is shortish, and let Granderson walk after 2013.
   68. PreservedFish Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4266082)
He should be traded this offseason.


Yeah, what a disaster. A centerfielder that can hit 40 homeruns - get rid of the bum.
   69. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM (#4266088)
He should be traded this offseason. What an awful deal that was.

Maybe for nostalgia's sake we can reprise Andy's 3-year-long jihad against A-Jax, particularly its feverish zenith wherein it was averred that he didn't possess a single major league caliber skill.
   70. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4266094)
Yeah, what a disaster. A centerfielder that can hit 40 homeruns - get rid of the bum.

Have you seen him bat recently? He's whiffing at a ~50% rate.

The forty+ HR only got him to a 116 OPS+, and he's a bad CF now, and will make $15M next season.
   71. salajander Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM (#4266103)
Hang out with: R.A. Dickey. He names his bats after famous fictional swords!
   72. Fat Al Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4266108)
Yeah, what a disaster. A centerfielder that can hit 40 homeruns - get rid of the bum.


He's not a disaster, but he did have a .319 obp this season, plays mediocre defense, will be 32 before next season begins, and will be seeking a 9-figure deal that is far too long. For once, the Yankees should let someone else overpay for his services.

That said, I do hope that once his playing days are over Granderson comes back to NY and runs for Mayor.
   73. dr. scott Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM (#4266111)
In general I dont want to hang out with most ballplayers, but I would love to just sit and listen to Willie Mays. I cant imagine Id have anything to add, unless he has a secret interest in laser physics or disfuctional multinational corporations.
   74. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4266113)
Hang out with: R.A. Dickey. He names his bats after famous fictional swords!

I can't believe I forgot about RA. He's a pretty interesting guy.
   75. bunyon Posted: October 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4266115)
a secret interest in laser physics or disfuctional multinational corporations.

Hank Scorpio? Is that you?
   76. PreservedFish Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4266118)
The forty+ HR only got him to a 116 OPS+, and he's a bad CF now, and will make $15M next season.


The Yanks could decline his option, but they won't, because he's a very good baseball player.
   77. rconn23 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4266119)
"He should be traded this offseason. What an awful deal that was."

It wasn't awful. Not at all. Granderson has hit 40 plus homeruns his past two seasons and finished fourth in the MVP voting last year.

And before we put Austin Jackson in the HOF, let's remember he fell off a cliff after a hot start in his rookie year, was awful last year and after his great first half this year started playing more like what he actually is - slightly above average hitter who is a great defender. He's likely not going to replicate this season again.

Kennedy had a great, but completely unexpected 2011 and fell back into what you would expect him to be in the NL this year. He'd be chewed up and spit out in the AL.
   78. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4266120)
Maybe for nostalgia's sake we can reprise Andy's 3-year-long jihad against A-Jax, particularly its feverish zenith wherein it was averred that he didn't possess a single major league caliber skill.

You got me there. Who's this "A-Jax" without a single ML caliber skill, and what jihad are you talking about?

EDIT: Okay, I guess you mean Austin Jackson, who's had his breakthrough year in 2012 after posting an 88 OPS+ last year. My knock against him was his srikeout rate combined with a lack of power, both of which he's improved in since then. Glad I was wrong.
   79. SoSH U at work Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4266124)
Nevermind.
   80. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4266126)
You got me there. Who's this "A-Jax" without a single ML caliber skill, and what jihad are you talking about?

You've been on the warpath against the guy for 3 years.(*) There was a thread, I'm thinking last spring, representing the zenith of which I speak. I seem to remember saying something like, "He's a gold glove caliber defender" by way of addressing the (rather comical) claim that he offered essentially nothing to a major league team.

(*) In the sense of singling out a certain player for continuous criticism -- eomething I don't recall you doing for any other current player.
   81. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4266129)
The moral of that trade is: When a real GM deals with a checkbook GM, bet on the real GM.
   82. Clemenza Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4266139)
I mean if I'm out at a bar or something and the guy next to me happens to be Brad Pitt and we're all in a good and talkative mood that is one thing but I'm not setting up some sort of man-date with celebrity X just so I can hang out and shoot the breeze with them.

Totally agree. Whenever I've crossed paths (sometimes literally) with a celbrity my wife always wants to say something and I always want to just let them be. I don't need to be added to the list of people that disturb them on a daily basis. I saw Hank Aaron in a Milwaukee restaruant 3 weeks ago. That really tested my resolve on this issue. As he was being shown to his table he passed me at the bar and I smiled and nodded at him. That was good enough.
   83. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4266152)
I think Reddick, Gomes or McCarthy would be cool guys to hang out with. I am not sure that Jeter would be a great conversationalist though he would be a great wingman
   84. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4266155)
Okay, I guess you mean Austin Jackson, who's had his breakthrough year in 2012 after posting an 88 OPS+ last year.

He's been a 5+ WAR player every year of his career.
   85. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4266161)
I mean if I'm out at a bar or something and the guy next to me happens to be Brad Pitt and we're all in a good and talkative mood that is one thing but I'm not setting up some sort of man-date with celebrity X just so I can hang out and shoot the breeze with them.

Totally agree. Whenever I've crossed paths (sometimes literally) with a celbrity my wife always wants to say something and I always want to just let them be. I don't need to be added to the list of people that disturb them on a daily basis. I saw Hank Aaron in a Milwaukee restaruant 3 weeks ago. That really tested my resolve on this issue. As he was being shown to his table he passed me at the bar and I smiled and nodded at him. That was good enough.
Of course. The hypothetical "would you want to have a beer with them?" is based on there being some situation where you found yourself having a normal chat at a bar. This isn't about bothering some guy who just wants to have a nice lunch with his family in peace.
   86. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:31 PM (#4266164)
Just a quick tip of the cap for the intro reference. If you haven't seen the movie, you should.
   87. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4266167)
And before we put Austin Jackson in the HOF, let's remember he fell off a cliff after a hot start in his rookie year, was awful last year and after his great first half this year started playing more like what he actually is - slightly above average hitter who is a great defender. He's likely not going to replicate this season again.
Austin Jackson put up a 114 OPS+ in the second half of the season. A great defender and baserunner who is also a plus hitter is a worthy All-Star.
   88. cmd600 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:33 PM (#4266168)
No A-Rod tonight - Buster Olney
   89. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4266184)
[86] It's showing up at our local theater today. Will see it this weekend.
   90. rconn23 Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4266189)
MCoA, I'm not saying that Jackson isn't a very good player. But he was awful offensively in 2011 and really good in 2012. The answer to who he really is as a hitter likely lies somewhere in between.
   91. dlf Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4266191)
I have had extended dealings with a couple of former atheletes. From my very limited sample, I suspect the scrubs and roll players are more interesting to talk to than the stars.

I represented Lance Johnson in a divorce proceeding when he was coming off of an All Star season with the ChiSox and had just signed with the Mets. He was nice enough, but always detached. While working for him, I met a couple of other Mets players, but the only person who stood out was Bernard Gilkey's wife, just about the nicest person around.

I spent two years working as co-counsel on a case with a lawyer by the name of Alan Koch. It was only after two years of small talk about everything from fishing in Mobile Bay to Auburn football that he mentioned that he had played for the Tigers and Senators in the 60s before quiting baseball to go to law school. Once I got him started, he had some funny stories about playing with Don Zimmer and others from that generation.

Lastly, I had a case where the opposing counsel was Steadman Shealy. He introduced himself as, "you may remember me, I'm Steadman Shealy. I was Bear Bryant's quarterback when we won the national championship in '79." That was his introduction no matter where you were or who you were with - everything had become secondary to that brief time as a twenty year old on top of the world.
   92. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4266196)
Doug Glanville would be the ballplayer I'd like to hang with. I imagine we'd be up all night playing Strat-O-Matic and talking engineering, and -- in general -- just totally nerding out.
   93. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4266199)
Dang. Chavez at third, Ibanez at DH.

   94. salajander Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4266201)
Benching A-Rod? This is a terrible move by Girardi. Total ########.
   95. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4266203)
He introduced himself as, "you may remember me, I'm Steadman Shealy. I was Bear Bryant's quarterback when we won the national championship in '79."

Please tell me he does that intro in Troy McClure voice.
   96. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4266212)
When ARod was under contract in Seattle this stuff never came up. The contract is what is causing it all.

That's what I've always thought. If I had a time machine, I wouldn't waste it on stupid #### like this but let's say you could go back and convince Alex to resign with Seattle. Then he's the good guy right? Barry Larkin, Ozzie Smith, hometown hero type? At least until the steroid thing hits. Those would have been some good years for him.
   97. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4266216)
A-Rod will be the pinch hitter and not the pinch hittee. Girardi is sly like a fox!
   98. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4266219)
The only interaction I've had with players is a few old timers. Johnny Pesky and Ray Boone spoke to my father and I for about 30 minutes at the Futures Game in Boston in 1999, they could not possibly have been nicer. When I was in college I interned at a company where former NFL lineman Danny Sullivan worked. He was one of my favorite people there, just a super nice guy. Plus, once he found out I was a Dolphins (and Don Shula) fan he was able to regale me with some fairly off color stories about Shula from Sullivan's days playing for Shula in Baltimore.
   99. bunyon Posted: October 12, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4266221)
@96: same with Griffey. It certainly seems as if leaving your first team leads to more unhappiness for big name players. Not knowing them personally, it's hard to know if that is just what it looks like or if there is truth to it. I mean, A-Rod may be the happiest guy in the world. But it sure doesn't seem like it from the outside.


One wonders if Pujols will end up in the same boat.
   100. oscar madisox Posted: October 12, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4266245)
Benching A-Rod tonight is a ballsy move by Girardi, who's carrying his around in a wheelbarrow.

Rodriguez vs. Hammel in his career, including this postseason: 8 hits, 24 at bats, four homers, .333/.448/.833

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