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Friday, August 31, 2012

Alfonso Soriano takes shot at city of San Francisco

“Another day in The Show!”...I smell a disturbing handle.

Soriano said he didn’t like the weather in San Francisco, which is about as far as you can get from his home in the Dominican Republic and still be in the big leagues. AT&T Park isn’t exactly paradise for a streaky hitter either.

“It’s very hard to play on the West Coast, especially on that field,” Soriano said. “There’s nothing wrong with the team. They have a very good team, but I think it’s more the city.

“I want to go somewhere I feel comfortable. I know if I go to San Francisco, I’m not going to feel comfortable in the city. I can feel comfortable with the team, but not with the city.

“It’s far from home (and) especially with the weather (and) the program I have with my knee – it’s not going to help.”

...“I don’t want to have the same year that I had this year – losing a lot of games,” Soriano said. “I’m part of the team right now. So I don’t know (about) next year. I think they’re smart enough – if they want to have kind of the same team – they’ll figure out what they want to do with me.

“I don’t like to lose, especially late in my career. I just want to go someplace to win. If it’s here, I’d be more than happy, but we’ll see what happens.”

As reporters walked away from his locker, Soriano turned to a Cubs media relations representative and yelled out: “Another day in The Show!”

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   1. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 31, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4224159)
He doesn't like the cold, so what? I wouldn't call that "ripping" SF. Was this an article that needed to be written?

From TFA.

“I feel sorry for them,” Soriano said, “because if they tried to pick me because they know what I can do, then I tried to show them today.”

He feels sorry for the Giants! Nice one!
   2. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: August 31, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4224161)
Yeah, as far weather and being a nice city, San Francisco has nothing on freaking Chicago. And don't even get me started on what a ######## San Diego is.

Sarcasm alert.
   3. theboyqueen Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:00 PM (#4224178)
The weather in San Francisco during baseball season is dismal. Soriano is from the tropics and has joint issues; I can totally understand why the cold, damp of a San Francisco summer would not be appealing to him. Everything he says here makes total sense.

September and October in SF are generally quite nice though, if not exactly hot.
   4. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4224192)
I finally realized a couple years ago that yes, it is literally colder in the summer in San Francisco than it is anywhere else in North America except the northern half of Alaska and Canada. I always thought this was an exaggeration, because of the air currents at Candlestick Park or something, but no, on a given day in the month of July San Francisco may be the only place between Buenos Aires and the Arctic Circle that's below 70 degrees. At this very moment Weather.com's basic map says it's 79 degrees in Los Angeles, 75 degrees a hundred miles north of San Francisco, and 60 degrees in San Francisco. It's also 60 degrees in International Falls, Minnesota, and everywhere else in the continental US is at least 66 except Limestone, Maine. 7:30 PM in San Francisco is much colder than 10:30 PM in the extreme northern part of Maine.
   5. Bruce Markusen Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4224194)
So he'd rather play out the string for a team going nowhere than play in a beautiful city with a team that might actually go to the postseason. Sometimes I just don't understand ballplayers.

Some Latino ballplayers have done quite well in San Francisco. Orlando Cepeda, Felipe Alou, and Juan Marichal (admittedly a pitcher, not a hitter) come to mind. Cabrera (before the testosterone flunking) and Sandoval also seem to like it just fine.

Steve Treder would know better than me, but isn't there a strong Latin American community in the Bay Area?
   6. Lassus Posted: August 31, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4224201)
My father visited me one June in 1999 and he couldn't believe how could it was, and he's from Alexandria Bay. There was talk of about 3 seconds of flurries in Pacific Heights. I'm not making this up.
   7. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4224209)
Play better and you can choose where you go.
   8. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4224210)
Anyone who would favor Dominican weather over San Francisco's has got to have a screw loose somewhere. Having just survived what seems like about the 100th day of 90+ temperatures in Washington, I sure as hell wouldn't mind trading about a month of those for a month of AT&T Park breezes. I went to more than a few July and August games in Candlestick when I lived in Berkeley, and while it was sometimes nasty, it's still a lot better than what we have back East.
   9. Spivey Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4224211)
So he'd rather play out the string for a team going nowhere than play in a beautiful city with a team that might actually go to the postseason. Sometimes I just don't understand ballplayers.


I'll assume that's because you're daft and didn't read his concerns. Or that you're daft and think that since you disagree with his points, they're not valid.
   10. Flynn Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM (#4224221)
I read his concerns, I just think he's stupid and full of crap. No human being is more comfortable in 85 degrees with 90% humidity than 64 degrees with 64% humidity. If that was true half the East Coast wouldn't be trying to move into San Francisco.

There ain't much of a Dominican community, though. I don't think there were any Dominican kids at my Catholic school. But I don't think there are many Dominicans in Chicago either.
   11. Bruce Markusen Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4224225)
I read his comments. I disagree with Soriano, so that makes me "daft?" Stuff your insults somewhere else. That crap doesn't go over with me.

All I'm saying is that he would be going to a winning team, in a beautiful city, where the weather is warm in San Francisco in September and October. If he wants to leave after the season, he can request the Giants trade him, and he can start fresh somewhere else in 2013.
   12. God Posted: August 31, 2012 at 11:52 PM (#4224226)
5 - Yeah, San Francisco has a large and vibrant Latino community. The Mission District, where Seals Stadium used to be, is about 75% working class Latinos and 25% slumming twentysomething hipsters.
   13. Into the Void Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:07 AM (#4224232)
5 - Yeah, San Francisco has a large and vibrant Latino community. The Mission District, where Seals Stadium used to be, is about 75% working class Latinos and 25% slumming twentysomething hipsters.


Haven't been here for a while huh? The Mission is currently about 30% Latino, 60% young wealthy 25-40 year olds, and 10% 'slumming twentysomething hipsters.' It's basically turned into Noe Valley the past 2-3 years with all the expensive restaurants and boutiques that have opened up.
   14. theboyqueen Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:19 AM (#4224236)
No human being is more comfortable in 85 degrees with 90% humidity than 64 degrees with 64% humidity


1/2 of the world's population lives in the tropics. Some by choice even!
   15. Flynn Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:25 AM (#4224238)
Maybe Valencia Street, but Mission Street and points east are still pretty Latino.
   16. I am going to be Frank Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:39 AM (#4224242)
I got some quality beef tongue tacos in the Mission District. There still seem to be a sizable Latino population there - judging by the various storefronts. It has definitely moved beyond hipster-central. Sort of how Williamsburg evolved.
   17. God Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:47 AM (#4224247)
13 - I've been there recently, but yeah, I was basically just pulling the stats out of my ass.
   18. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 01, 2012 at 12:53 AM (#4224252)
1/2 of the world's population lives in the tropics. Some by choice even!


You rang? Of course, the trade winds make all the difference, keeping the heat and humidity down.
   19. staring out the window and waiting for fenderbelly Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:22 AM (#4224267)
TIL (Today I Learned) that Mark Twain didn't actually say that "The coldest winter I've ever spent was a summer in SF."

Also, if your #### hurts in cold weather, baseball is going to be hard.
   20. staring out the window and waiting for fenderbelly Posted: September 01, 2012 at 01:57 AM (#4224270)
No human being is more comfortable in 85 degrees with 90% humidity than 64 degrees with 64% humidity. If that was true half the East Coast wouldn't be trying to move into San Francisco.


In my experience, the temp depends upon your upbringing... if you grew up in the Philippines or SE Asia then 80F seems like the norm. Even in San Diego, my Filipino friends wear a sweatshirt at cloudy and 70.
   21. Bhaakon Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:00 AM (#4224271)
Also, if your #### hurts in cold weather, baseball is going to be hard.


Yeah, the real take-away here is that Soriano's knee is in really, really bad shape.
   22. KingKaufman Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:40 AM (#4224277)
No human being is more comfortable in 85 degrees with 90% humidity than 64 degrees with 64% humidity. If that was true half the East Coast wouldn't be trying to move into San Francisco.


If it were regularly 85 degrees in San Francisco, there would be 6 million people living in the City.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:39 AM (#4224283)
If he wants to leave after the season, he can request the Giants trade him

Which they may not want to or be able to do. Who knows if Soriano would make a different decision if he had just 1-2 months left on his contract. But he's got over 2 years and he doesn't want to spend them in SF. If it worked that way, he'd just request the Cubs trade him to a contender this offseason.

Or were you thinking the old rule about multi-year contract players being able to demand a trade after being traded? That rule doesn't exist anymore.
   24. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:41 AM (#4224291)
built a lot of friendships from my days as a field foreman at the canning company with the migrant workers which included guys from the islands

they loved the hot weather and come mid september in wi it was a bear keeping them as it was "too cold boss"

we are talking 60 degree days. the ones who stayed would be wearing a real jacket all day and any night work was torture for them as it would be 40 or less

it was pretty fascinating in its own way
   25. asinwreck Posted: September 01, 2012 at 08:12 AM (#4224302)
Yeah, as far weather and being a nice city, San Francisco has nothing on freaking Chicago. And don't even get me started on what a ######## San Diego is.


Yes, because San Diego and San Francisco have the same weather patterns, especially in May. While the new park isn't in the wind tunnel of Candlestick, it's sweater weather at night for most of the season. Conversely, in Wrigley, Soriano can glance back at scantily-clad women for most of his home games.

Soriano may also feel the chill in his knees from the wind off the bay, now that arthritis has set in.
   26. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 01, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4224326)
soriano wears the long sleeve undergarments when he plays in june
   27. UCCF Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4224529)
Anyone who would favor Dominican weather over San Francisco's has got to have a screw loose somewhere. Having just survived what seems like about the 100th day of 90+ temperatures in Washington, I sure as hell wouldn't mind trading about a month of those for a month of AT&T Park breezes. I went to more than a few July and August games in Candlestick when I lived in Berkeley, and while it was sometimes nasty, it's still a lot better than what we have back East.

If you hate the heat, the weather is the best thing about San Francisco. I regularly drive 20 miles north of the city for work, and there have been days this summer when the temperature topped 100 degrees at the office. But I drive back south down 101, and you can see the wall of fog coming in off the ocean. You go through the rainbow tunnel just north of the Golden Gate bridge, come out the other side, and it's 58 degrees. I can count on 2 hands the number of uncomfortably hot days we've had actually in the city in the 5+ years I've lived here.

I can't stand the heat, and the weather is the only thing that makes living in San Francisco tolerable. But if I grew up in the Caribbean, I'd probably hate this. The fog and cold and wind can be pretty unrelenting.
   28. tshipman Posted: September 01, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4224539)
I love the weather in the City, but I can totally see how Soriano would not appreciate it, especially with the knee. No hard feelings, Alfonso.

Re: Latino community: There are a lot of Latinos in SF, but they're mostly from Mexico or further down Central America. There are very, very few Caribbeans and almost no Dominicans. I can see how to Soriano, that would make a huge difference. If I were Soriano, I'd want to be able to eat food that reminded me of home, and you can't really do that very much here. There's a couple of places, but not really a community.
   29. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4224552)
I'm from St Louis and I find San Francisco too chilly for my taste. It's not that the cold is bitter, it's just that I find it annoying to have to worry about chilly weather in summer. Winters are less harsh than St Louis but they're not that great with the frequent rains and chilly temperatures. I know there are people who love SF weather, but I'm pretty ambivalent about it and I can definitely see why someone wouldn't at all like it.

All I'm saying is that he would be going to a winning team, in a beautiful city, where the weather is warm in San Francisco in September and October. If he wants to leave after the season, he can request the Giants trade him, and he can start fresh somewhere else in 2013.

Another annoying thing about San Francisco is that the locals keep telling me how beautiful the city is when I go there. Do they not think I can see it what it looks like for myself? I am there at the time. I've never been anywhere else where I've heard that so ubiquitously.
   30. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4224558)
But I drive back south down 101, and you can see the wall of fog coming in off the ocean.

My Mom used to call this "The Cloud that Ate San Francisco."
   31. Dan Szymborski Posted: September 01, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4224580)
No human being is more comfortable in 85 degrees with 90% humidity than 64 degrees with 64% humidity. If that was true half the East Coast wouldn't be trying to move into San Francisco.

Well, Soriano's age that is.

My grandfather sure liked 85 better than 64 - he literally used his entire 500 gallon oil drum (buried in the backyard) every 2 months during winters and during the summer, his housekeeper would constantly call me over there (she was live-in) to get him to turn on the A/C. I'd get over there and it'd be 87 in the house, the housekeeper sweating like she ran a marathon, and my grandfather happily sitting in a shirt and tie (he always wore a tie) and long pants and drinking a beer, as happy as a claim.
   32. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4224619)
Alfonso Soriano takes shot at city of San Francisco


Frisco, Al ... Frisco.

You begin your efforts to wind up the natives by calling it Frisco ...
   33. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: September 01, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4224672)
San Francisco weather is definitely not for everyone. For me, the Central Coast of California has the best weather. Cool summers with lots of sunshine, lots of cool storms in the rainy season, it never gets too cold. I can't get the gf to buy into it because she's one of those weirdos who likes extreme cold.

When I was a kid I thought the fog swallowing up the Golden Gate Bridge was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. Driving from the East Bay to SF over the Bay Bridge was magical to a kid from the trashy suburbs of Hayward.
   34. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 01, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4224705)
You begin your efforts to wind up the natives by calling it Frisco ...

The natives are impressively conformist in their nonconformism, and impressively touchy in their laidbackitude.

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