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Sunday, July 01, 2012

All-Star Starting Squad Announced

AL
C- Mike Napoli, Tex
1B- Prince Fielder, Det
2B- Robinson Cano, NYY
3B- Adrian Beltre, Tex
SS- Derek Jeter, NYY
OF- Josh Hamilton, Tex
OF- Curtis Granderson, NYY
OF- Jose Bautista, Tor
DH- David Oriz, Bos

NL
C- Buster Posey, SF
1B- Joey Votto, Cin
2B- Dan Uggla, Atl
3B- Pablo Sandoval, SF
SS- Rafael Furcal, StL
OF- Matt Kemp, LAD
OF- Carlos Beltran, StL
OF- Melky Cabrera, SF

WTF on a whole lot of these picks.

Edit: Link added.

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 01:12 PM | 123 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4170551)
Whoops, I meant to cancel this and have a full squad one instead. I'll just C/P here.

Reserves:
AL:
C- Joe Mauer, Min
C- Matt Wieters, Bal
1B- Paul Konerko, CWS
2B- Ian Kinsler, Tex
SS- Elvus Andrus, Tex
SS- Asdrubal Cabrera, Cle
3B- Miguel Cabrera, Det
OF- Adam Jones, Bal
OF- Mike Trout, LAA
OF- Mark Trumbo, LAA
DH- Adam Dunn, CWS
DH- Billy Butler, KCR

NL
C- Carlos Ruiz, Phi
C- Yadier Molina, StL
1B- Brian LaHair, ChC
2B- Jose Altuve, Hou
SS- Starlin Castro, ChC
SS- Ian Desmond, Was
3B- David Wright, NYM
OF- Jay Bruce, Cin
OF- Carlos Gonzalez, Col
OF- Giancarlo Stanton, Mia
OF- Ryan Braun, Mil
OF- Andrew McCutchen, Pit

Pitchers:
AL:
SP- Matt Harrison, Tex
SP- Felix Hernandez, Sea
SP- Justin Verlander, Det
SP- CC Sabathia, NYY*
SP- CJ Wilson, LAA**
SP- Jered Weaver, LAA
SP- Chris Sale, CWS
SP- David Price, Tam
RP- Joe Nathan, Tex
RP- Ryan Cook, Oak
RP- Jim Johnson, Bal
RP- Chris Perez, Cle
RP- Fernando Rodney, Tam

NL:
SP- Clayton Kershaw, LAD
SP- Gio Gonzalez, Was
SP- Stephen Strasburg, Was
SP- Cole Hamels, Phi
SP- Wade Miley, Ari
SP- RA Dickey, NYM
SP- Matt Cain, SF
RP- Jon Papelbon, Phi
RP- Craig Kimbrel, Atl
RP- Aroldis Chapman, Cin
RP- Lance Lynn, StL
RP- Joel Hanrahan, Pit
RP- Huston Street, SD

* Will Miss ASG with Injury
** Injury Replacement

Rosters at MLB.com: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2012/roster_league.jsp

34th Man:
AL:
RP Jonathan Broxton, KCR
SP Yu Darvish, Tex
RP Ernesto Frieri, LAA
SP Jason Hammel, Bal
SP Jake Peavy, CWS

NL:
OF Michael Bourn, Atl
3B David Freese, Stl
OF Bryce Harper, Was
2B Aaron Hill, Ari
3B Chipper Jones, Atl
   2. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4170562)
As far as crimes against selection go, closers with a hot half-season screwing over veteran starters. Case in point: almost the entire AL bullpen over Jake Peavy.
   3. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4170567)
Notice: Albert Pujols did not make the All-Star Team. Oof.
   4. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4170569)
Also note: Adam Dunn went from one of the worst seasons in Major League history last year to deserving All-Star selection this year.
   5. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:03 PM (#4170570)
Even considering the constraints of selecting reserves, Bruce over Bourn is pretty bad. I'd also go with Prado over Desmond.
   6. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4170571)
Pujols has been hitting like Pujols for the last six weeks. I'd throw Dunn overboard for him.
   7. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4170572)
Third note: Rafael Furcal being selected as the starting NL SS over either Jed Lowrie or Ian Desmond is pathetic, but that's the dangers of democracy for you. I'm glad Desmond got selected as a reserve (and he can thank Tony La Russa for that, as La Russa has always openly praised Ian Desmond whenever he gets the chance), but Jed Lowrie really deserved to make the team. Sucks to play for Houston.
   8. The District Attorney Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4170573)
WTF on a whole lot of these picks.
Well, the fans vote on those.

As far as crimes against selection go, closers with a hot half-season screwing over veteran starters.
Well, they want at least one representative from every team.
   9. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4170574)
Fourth note: the Nationals could conceivably place four players on the NL team if Harper wins the final vote. Wow.
   10. DKDC Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4170578)
Why would they put a Ranger in the 34th man poll? We get it. Their fanbase is good at stuffing an internet ballot box.
   11. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4170580)
I'm pretty frustrated that Santana didn't make the team. I'm quite frustrated that ####### Panda is the starter over Wright. I mean come the #### on. Wright's been the second best player in the NL this year, behind an out of this world Votto.

And I screwed up Lance Lynn, he's a SP obviously, not a RP.
   12. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4170582)
Well, they want one representative from every team.

That explains Cook, but not Perez, Rodney or Johnson. Isn't there a minimum number of relievers they have to take? That's the rule I'd change.

Rafael Furcal being selected as the starting NL SS over either Jed Lowrie or Ian Desmond is pathetic

Furcal's having a pretty good season and has had a better career to date than either Lowrie or Desmond. I would have picked Lowrie but I don't see it as a travesty that he's not on the team.

The guys I would have liked to see make it who didn't are Mike Moustakas, Brett Lawrie and Madison Bumgarner.
   13. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4170584)
Bourn's doubly screwed. Braves fans will vote for sentimental favorite Chipper, and everyone else will go for Harper. He's probably the big snub this year.
   14. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4170591)
I'm not sure the starting lineup is WTF, except for maybe Melky, and he's having a fine season. It seems like these picks are consistent with the players' popularity and the fans' conception of how good they are.

EDIT: Okay, yeah, Panda over Wright is weird, but San Francisco has a relatively fervid fanbase, and not enough Mets fans are going to games this year, where they would be encouraged to vote for Wright.
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:25 PM (#4170594)

Fourth note: the Nationals could conceivably place four players on the NL team if Harper wins the final vote. Wow.


I'm more amazed the craptastic Cubs have two players.
   16. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4170596)
I'm pretty frustrated that Santana didn't make the team. I'm quite frustrated that ####### Panda is the starter over Wright. I mean come the #### on. Wright's been the second best player in the NL this year


Last 162 games..

Best OPS among NL 3b

Sandoval .931
Wright .909
Ramirez .894

   17. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4170597)
I'm more amazed the craptastic Cubs have two players.


It's not like either one is all that good either. LaHair especially is a strange choice. It's like picking Brian Daubach or somebody like that.
   18. bobm Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4170599)
Uggla and Altuve are interesting selections at 2B:

50%+ games played at 2B, sorted by WAR

                                                           
Rk              Player WAR/pos Year Age  Tm Lg  G  PA   OPS
1        Darwin Barney     3.4 2012  26 CHC NL 74 285  .687
2           Aaron Hill     2.2 2012  30 ARI NL 74 307  .878
3     Brandon Phillips     2.2 2012  31 CIN NL 70 293  .776
4            Dan Uggla     2.0 2012  32 ATL NL 76 325  .777
5          Jose Altuve     1.7 2012  22 HOU NL 71 306  .803
6         Omar Infante     1.6 2012  30 MIA NL 68 277  .773
7           Mark Ellis     1.1 2012  35 LAD NL 37 154  .736
8          Neil Walker     0.9 2012  26 PIT NL 75 312  .700
9        Freddy Galvis     0.7 2012  22 PHI NL 58 200  .617
10      Danny Espinosa     0.5 2012  25 WSN NL 75 314  .666
11       Marco Scutaro     0.5 2012  36 COL NL 74 322  .729
12       Mike Fontenot     0.4 2012  32 PHI NL 33  74  .742
13      Skip Schumaker     0.4 2012  32 STL NL 38 117  .770
14     Daniel Descalso     0.3 2012  25 STL NL 66 195  .659
15       Daniel Murphy     0.3 2012  27 NYM NL 77 310  .714
16      Logan Forsythe     0.2 2012  25 SDP NL 20  73  .747
17      Jerry Hairston     0.2 2012  36 LAD NL 52 178  .773
18      Alexi Amarista     0.2 2012  23 SDP NL 34  84  .770
19         Chase Utley     0.2 2012  33 PHI NL  4  14 1.044
20         Scott Moore     0.0 2012  28 HOU NL  2   7 1.000
21       Ivan De Jesus     0.0 2012  25 LAD NL 23  37  .688
22     Adrian Cardenas     0.0 2012  24 CHC NL 25  39  .555
23       Donnie Murphy     0.0 2012  29 MIA NL 27  53  .556
24            Pete Orr    -0.1 2012  33 PHI NL 23  45  .731
25      Orlando Hudson    -0.1 2012  34 SDP NL 35 131  .577
Rk              Player WAR/pos Year Age  Tm Lg  G  PA   OPS
26        Tyler Greene    -0.2 2012  28 STL NL 57 167  .666
27   Charlie Culberson    -0.2 2012  23 SFG NL  6  23  .273
28   Jordany Valdespin    -0.2 2012  24 NYM NL 33  65  .675
29        Ryan Theriot    -0.3 2012  32 SFG NL 52 201  .609
30        Blake DeWitt    -0.3 2012  26 CHC NL 18  30  .306
31         DJ LeMahieu    -0.3 2012  23 COL NL 19  42  .493
32    Michael Martinez    -0.4 2012  29 PHI NL 16  48  .388
33       Willie Harris    -0.5 2012  34 CIN NL 25  48  .375
34    Emmanuel Burriss    -1.1 2012  27 SFG NL 43 126  .491
35        Rickie Weeks    -1.6 2012  29 MIL NL 73 317  .609
   19. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4170603)
Last 162 games 2b OPS

Uggla .858
Phillips .833
Murphy .788
   20. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4170604)
50%+ games played at 2B, sorted by WAR


I think that's because it's assigning some huge (unjustifiable) debit to Altuve for his defense.

Similarly, Barney's getting an inappropriate amount of defensive credit.
   21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4170606)
No James McDonald? That's crap...
   22. bobm Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4170608)
Sandoval over Wright and 8 other players is odd:

For single seasons, Playing in the NL, For 2012, Played 50% of games at 3B, sorted by greatest WAR Position Players

                                                         
Rk            Player WAR/pos Year Age  Tm Lg  G  PA   OPS
1       David Wright     4.3 2012  29 NYM NL 75 325 1.013
2      Chase Headley     2.3 2012  28 SDP NL 78 333  .785
3      Pedro Alvarez     1.8 2012  25 PIT NL 69 263  .773
4      Chipper Jones     1.6 2012  40 ATL NL 43 172  .822
5       David Freese     1.2 2012  29 STL NL 71 290  .812
6     Aramis Ramirez     1.0 2012  34 MIL NL 70 300  .801
7       Todd Frazier     0.9 2012  26 CIN NL 52 171  .853
8        Cody Ransom     0.8 2012  36 TOT NL 46 158  .716
9     Hanley Ramirez     0.7 2012  28 MIA NL 76 333  .774
10    Pablo Sandoval     0.6 2012  25 SFG NL 44 183  .848
11     Chris Johnson     0.5 2012  27 HOU NL 72 287  .738
12     Luis Valbuena     0.4 2012  26 CHC NL 15  53  .744
13   Placido Polanco     0.3 2012  36 PHI NL 68 265  .681
14    Ryan Zimmerman     0.2 2012  27 WSN NL 62 276  .642
15       Ian Stewart    -0.1 2012  27 CHC NL 55 202  .627
16      Ryan Roberts    -0.1 2012  31 ARI NL 67 240  .641
17      Adam Kennedy    -0.1 2012  36 LAD NL 55 128  .591
18        Geoff Blum    -0.1 2012  39 ARI NL  8  14  .305
19     Joaquin Arias    -0.2 2012  27 SFG NL 49 177  .613
20    Juan Francisco    -0.2 2012  25 ATL NL 50 116  .664
21      Chris Nelson    -0.2 2012  26 COL NL 49 165  .786
22        Juan Uribe    -0.5 2012  32 LAD NL 40 130  .535
23         Josh Bell    -0.5 2012  25 ARI NL 21  56  .501
24   Conor Gillaspie    -0.5 2012  24 SFG NL  6  20  .350
25    Jordan Pacheco    -0.7 2012  26 COL NL 52 190  .738
Rk            Player WAR/pos Year Age  Tm Lg  G  PA   OPS
26       Scott Rolen    -0.7 2012  37 CIN NL 40 136  .555
27      Miguel Cairo    -0.8 2012  38 CIN NL 31  59  .398
   23. formerly dp Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4170612)
Especially with the no-hitter, I'm surprised Johan didn't make it.
   24. flournoy Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4170613)
As far as crimes against selection go, closers with a hot half-season screwing over veteran starters. Case in point: almost the entire AL bullpen over Jake Peavy.


Managers prefer to take relievers over starters. There aren't as many restrictions about whether the relievers are allowed to pitch or not, and relievers obviously have more experience pitching out of the bullpen.
   25.     Hey Gurl Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4170614)
Wait, Carlos Ruiz is hitting .358/.423/.585 ? !?!??! The hell? And I passed over him in Fantasy for Delmon Young. Blah.
   26. Brian White Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4170615)
Similarly, Barney's getting an inappropriate amount of defensive credit.


2.4 dWAR in less than half a season? Yeah, pardon me if I don't quite buy that. I mean, his defense is probably good, but not 5 wins/season good.
   27. flournoy Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4170617)
Uggla and Altuve are interesting selections at 2B:


I'm not sure what your list is intended to prove, beyond that a banjo hitting second baseman for a bad team might be deserving of a slot if you trust some defensive metrics.
   28. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4170622)
Sandoval over Wright and 8 other players is odd:


Not odd if the fans know better than to only consider the first few months of the season when making their all star selections. Ok...I realize it's more about SFO fans ballot stuffing than fan understanding of sample size. (See Cabrera, Melky over Braun)
   29. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:45 PM (#4170623)
Oh come on, Shoewizard. If you give any weight to the current season, you've gotta take Wright over Panda. Especially since the last 162 games for Panda goes all the way back to 2010. It's the way the balloting works, so I'm not calling foul or anything, but it is very frustrating especially given that Wright lead in the voting virtually the entire way.

I think you can also legitimately say WTF about Napoli. He's not having nearly as good a year as Mauer or Weiters, Saltalamacchia or even Pierzynski. By fWAR he's tied with Carlos Santana. He's got 1 WAR. He's gone from woefully underrated to massively overrated over the course of about calendar year.

   30. Yonder Alonso in misguided trousers (cardinal) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4170628)
It's all a little less weird when you consider that All-Star voting started something like three weeks into the season.

It is definitely weird that James McDonald wasn't selected. Or even-- and it pains me to say it, somehow-- AJ Burnett. Hanrahan's been great, but the Pirates' pitching overall has been surprisingly good, they should have some recognition.
   31. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4170631)
There must have been a huge push at the very end in SF, just 4 days ago both Wright and Braun were in the lead, Wright by over 400k votes.
   32. tshipman Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4170632)
David Wright is on the team. If Mets fans wanted him to start so badly, they should have shown up and voted for him.

Also, dWar has gone from dodgy to almost completely useless with the prevalence of shifts.

Maybe fans are smart enough now to ignore BABiP flukes?
   33. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:55 PM (#4170633)
Oh come on, Shoewizard. If you give any weight to the current season, you've gotta take Wright over Panda. Especially since the last 162 games for Panda goes all the way back to 2010. It's the way the balloting works, so I'm not calling foul or anything, but it is very frustrating especially given that Wright lead in the voting virtually the entire way.

I think you can also legitimately say WTF about Napoli. He's not having nearly as good a year as Mauer or Weiters, Saltalamacchia or even Pierzynski. By fWAR he's tied with Carlos Santana. He's got 1 WAR. He's gone from woefully underrated to massively overrated over the course of about calendar year.


The numbers I gave are from June 26, 2011 thru June 30 2011, which is approx 162 games for almost every team. Sandoval's OPS since June 26 of last year is higher than Wrights.

It's not that I'm not weighting this year, it's that you are not weighting post all star break last year AT ALL.

As for AL Catcher, since June 26 last year, (again..aprox last 162 games)

Napoli .980
Mauer .834
Avila .819

You are basically looking at first half numbers, and first half bREF WAR lists, which are hugely flawed cuz the fielding is all messed up, and not considering anything that happened before this year.

   34. Martin Hemner Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4170634)
I'm not sure what your list is intended to prove, beyond that a banjo hitting second baseman for a bad team might be deserving of a slot if you trust some defensive metrics.

It shows that last year's NL starter is now ranked dead last. He's the anti-Dunn.
   35. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:56 PM (#4170635)
It's all a little less weird when you consider that All-Star voting started something like three weeks into the season.



This...a thousand times this.
   36. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4170637)
Kinda surprised Francoeur didn't make it. Sure he's not having a very good year, but if the AL wants to win, they could use his clubhouse presence and light antics.
   37. Amit Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4170643)
Altuve and LaHair were both players' selections, meaning that they either won the players' vote, or more likely, finished 2nd behind Uggla and Votto.

This shows that the voting probably started too early - both LaHair and Altuve got off to great starts, but were later passed by Hill and Goldschmidt. Or that the players just remembered the hot starts and didn't notice what has happened in the last month.
   38. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4170650)
irst half bREF WAR lists,


Actually, I was using Fangraphs WAR. And this is the 2012 All Star Game, not the 2011-2012 All Star Game. So you're right that I'm not putting more weight on 2nd half splits that i'm not already using for Proven Stars v. Guys having a hot first half.

eta: My mistake on thinking you were looking at past 162 player games, not last 162 total games.

edited for clarity.
   39. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4170653)
Some more OPS leaders by position.....roughly last 162 games or 365 days

(min 400 PA's)

NL C
Ruiz .893
Molina .866
Montero .813

AL 1b
Encarnacion .895
Konerko .892
Fielder .890*
Pujols .871*

NL 1b
Votto 1.017
Morse .870
Goldschmidt .869

AL 2b
Cano .934
Kinsler .843
Pedroia .823

NL 2b
Uggla .858
Phillips .833
Murphy .788

AL 3b
Cabrera .980
Beltre .968
Longoria .917

NL 3b
Sandoval .931
Wirght .909
Ramirez .894

AL SS
A. Cabrera .809
Jeter .792
Andrus .768

NL SS
Tulowitzki .942
Reyes .787
Lowrie .768

AL OF
Ellsbury .981
Hamilton .958
Bautista .945
Willingham .902
Granderson .875
Trumbo .863
Gordon .851
Murphy .850
Swisher .849

NL OF

Braun 1.028
C. Gonzalez 1.007
Kemp .998
Beltran .970
Stanton .915
Fowler .896
McCutcheon .887
Melky Cabrera .887 *
Holliday .871

DH
Ortiz .972
Butler .837
   40. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4170659)
Actually, I was using Fangraphs WAR. And this is the 2012 All Star Game, not the 2011-2012 All Star Game. So you're right that I'm not putting much weight on 2nd half splits.


Dude...the balloting starts in late April !!! Think for a minute.
   41. Amit Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4170666)
Dude...the balloting starts in late April !!! Think for a minute.
For me, that suggests the "proven all-star" more than the 2nd half of the previous year.
   42. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4170667)
Dude...the balloting starts in late April !!! Think for a minute.


And over half the votes came in over the last week. And even accepting that they didn't, Wright was up 400k over Panda just 5 days ago. Your argument is ignore that Panda has missed a third of the season and is having a much worse year than Wright because he was really hot at the second half of the last season, and that we should think that people are voting for Panda because he was better in the 2nd half of last year than Wright since the voting started in April. The evidence doesn't back that up. What it backs up is that SF fans voted like crazy in the last few days and got a guy who simply isn't on the same level as Wright this year elected starter.

eta: I mean, you can't see why I'm frustrated? As I said, I'm not calling foul. That's the way it is, and it makes for fun arguments like this over player snubs. But I don't think it's objectively the case that Panda should be the starter given the 2nd best player in the NL is at the same position.
   43. tshipman Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4170668)
Proven Stars v. Guys having a hot first half.


Yes, but you're arguing for David Wright. Wright's last three years by WAR: 1.9, 2.5, 2.9.

Why shouldn't fans be skeptical of his hot start? In 2010, he hit a .924 OPS in the first half and a .770 OPS in the second half.
   44. Dale Sams Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4170672)
Of all the attending SS's, only Cabrera has a higher OPS than Jed Lowrie.

Oh, and ESPN tin-hats note please that the Red Sox have one player.
   45. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4170677)
I'm not advocating for Sandoval...I'm just pointing out it's not the huge travesty you are making it out to be. And of course #43 above makes the point even clearer.

It all counts. Current year. Last year. History. Offense, defense, context.....there is so much that goes into it. But your arguments are based solely on current first half year performance.

Also, you read my post #28 , right ?
   46. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:31 PM (#4170689)
Well, for one, fans usually don't think about splits. For another, while I think Sandoval is a star, I don't think he's in the same category of stardom as Wright, either in the view of the fans or the actual numbers- Wright's at 42 career fWAR. That's on pace to be a surefire HoF player. Since 2010 he's gone 4.0/1.9/4.5 fWAR while Panda's gone 1.8/5.5/1.1 fWAR. Since Pablo's rookie year, cherry picking to make him look as good as possible since otherwise Wright has his monster 7.1 fWAR* season in 2008 included, he's at 13.9 fWAR. Over that same period, Wright's at 14 fWAR. At BEST they come out even on "Proven Star," in reality Pablo is a very good young player and Wright has been a superstar, HoF quality 3B in his first decade.

You're arguing that a guy in the running for MVP should sit for a guy who's only played 44 games because the other guy had an excellent second half last year.

* That's 1.6 WAR higher than Panda's best year, and it's not even close to his best season.
   47. PreservedFish Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4170695)
Huh, last I checked Wright had hundreds of thousands of votes over Sandoval. But, whatever. All I care about is RA Dickey starting the game. Make it happen LaRussa!
   48. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4170698)
Also, you read my post #28 , right ?


Yeah, and as I granted, this isn't about the fan vote. It's about the objective choice. You have to cherrypick very carefully to make the argument that the choice of Sandoval over Wright as starter is the objectively correct one. It gets marginally easier, in the literal sense of marginally, if you ignore fangraphs WAR for bref WAR, since Sandoval is then 11.9 bWAR from 2009 on vs. Wright's 11.6. I suppose you could argue that the correct starting choice is solely decided by the guy who's been better over the last 162 games, in which case you might be able to make a colorable case for Sandoval.
   49. Tuque Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4170705)
The guys I would have liked to see make it who didn't are Mike Moustakas, Brett Lawrie

How the #### is a third baseman with a 108 OPS+ on pace for a 10-WAR season? What kind of unholy defensive jiu-jitsu is he practicing out there?
   50. The District Attorney Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4170710)
What kind of unholy defensive jiu-jitsu is he practicing out there?
The manager is telling him to shift.
   51. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4170713)
Scott....I'm NOT arguing that Panda is better or more deserving than Wright.

But you wrote this:


I'm quite frustrated that ####### Panda is the starter over Wright. I mean come the #### on.


You are clearly quite upset and feel this is a grave injustice. I'm just saying it's not really all that big a deal. I'd personally choose Wright over Panda, but it's much closer than your comment above would lead one to believe if you look at more than just April and May of 2012.

Also, I didn't cherry pick anything. Actually last night I made the "last 162" OPS leaderboard because I knew there would be a lot of these types of discussions. I didn't know in advance it would be Panda.
   52. PreservedFish Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4170716)
Guys, guys. Please ignore small sample defensive statistics. Stop using WAR for only a half season.
   53. Tricky Dick Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4170719)

Similarly, Barney's getting an inappropriate amount of defensive credit.


Note that Barney's WAR, based on fangraphs, is 1.2, instead of the 3.4 at Baseball-Reference.
   54. Flynn Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4170724)
Well, for one, fans usually don't think about splits. For another, while I think Sandoval is a star, I don't think he's in the same category of stardom as Wright, either in the view of the fans or the actual numbers- Wright's at 42 career fWAR


We'll ignore for now that Wright is 3 years older but you can't say that Sandoval is not in the same category of stardom as Wright then complain that Giants fans stuffed the ballot box.

Sandoval has one of the better nicknames in baseball, a very public persona as cuddly, fun fat guy, and has been a central figure (even if he didn't have that good of a season) of a recent World Series champion. Wright has no public persona at all, hasn't done any commercials or notable endorsements in years, and is primarily known for complaining enough about his home park enough for his team to move the fences in. He hasn't even been a central figure in the 'Surprising Mets!' narrative, since the two stars are Santana and Dickey.
   55. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 01, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4170727)
The "Q: WTF is with Brett Lawrie's defensive stats?" "A: dWAR ignores shifts and therefore they should be ignored for some players" conversation is now happening about twice a day around here. BB-ref needs to get a handle on this.

On the other hand I believe Ben Zobrist's dWAR was ludicrous last year for the same reason, and everybody just said "The Rays have yet another unsung hero in deserving MVP candidate Ben Zobrist", because he also was hitting well.
   56. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4170729)
it's much closer than you comment above would lead one to believe if you look at more than just April and May of 2012.


Now I'm getting frustrated now that you are totally ignoring all the stuff I dug up regarding Panda v. Wright over the last 4 years and my case is pretty clearly based upon more than just looking at April and May of 2012. It's only if you ignore this year that you can make a case for Sandoval, although even then it's really at best a coin flip. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

   57. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4170731)
Sandoval has one of the better nicknames in baseball, a very public persona as cuddly, fun fat guy, and has been a central figure (even if he didn't have that good of a season) of a recent World Series champion. Wright has no public persona at all, hasn't done any commercials or notable endorsements in years, and is primarily known for complaining enough about his home park enough for his team to move the fences in. He hasn't even been a central figure in the 'Surprising Mets!' narrative, since the two stars are Santana and Dickey.


Yeah, it's surprising how anonymous David Wright has become. It's like now that Reyes is gone the Wright & Reyes era is over and a new era has begun, despite Wright's continued existence.

As for the notable endorsements, it's been six years since the Dr. Jaerock Lee incident. I think he can put himself out there again.
   58. bobm Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4170733)
[32] David Wright is on the team. If Mets fans wanted him to start so badly, they should have shown up and voted for him.

Voting ends, but All-Star drama far from over
Selection Show signals start of next phase of Midsummer Classic ...

As of the last official updates posted at 2 p.m. ET, the closest races included the NL outfield and third base where Giants teammates Melky Cabrera and Pablo Sandoval again made pushes on Wednesday for starting spots with 125 percent and 138 percent more online votes, respectively, than leaders Ryan Braun of the Brewers and David Wright of the Mets.


http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120628&content_id=34086608&vkey=allstar2012

[39] Some more OPS leaders by position.....roughly last 162 games or 365 days
(min 400 PA's) ...

NL 3b
Sandoval .931
Wirght [sic].909
Ramirez .894
[Emphasis added]



During the June 26, 2011 to June 30, 2012 time period, Wright has started 137 games and has 600 PA while Sandoval has started 120 games, played in 126 games and accumulated 511 PA, just 9 more than required to qualify for rate stats over a 162 game season.

Nevertheless, it's the 2012 All Star Game. Wright's played in 75 of 79 team games in 2012 versus only 44 for Sandoval, who is 60+ PA short of the 3.1 PA/team game qualification for 2012 rate stats.

   59. President of the David Eckstein Fan Club Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4170736)
I was hoping Ryan Vogelsong might get a spot - 7-3 with a 2.23 ERA this year, 13-7 with a 2.71 ERA last year plus the "cool factor" of resurrecting his career the way he has.
   60. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4170738)
He hasn't even been a central figure in the 'Surprising Mets!' narrative, since the two stars are Santana and Dickey.


Huh? Wright, along with those two, are certainly the central pillars of "Surprising Mets!" narrative. He's certainly the most popular player on the team.

then complain that Giants fans stuffed the ballot box.


How many times do I have to say that I don't have an issue with this? Is everything I say being translated through Ray DiPierna? My argument is about whatever weight is given to being a star player is to figure out the "correct" choice for starter, Sandoval is at a disadvantage to Wright.

Is there really a question as to whether this is a WTF choice by the voters? I guess there is, I just don't think it's a supportable proposition.
   61. shoewizard Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4170739)
Guys, guys. Please ignore small sample defensive statistics. Stop using WAR for only a half season.


Really WAR for even a full season has always been in question, since you need 3 years worth of fielding data to gain any sense of reliability anyway.

I think bb-ref should use a rolling WAR calculation, sort of like multi year park factors, and apply THAT to the WAR calculation. Using single year fielding data and weighting that the same as the batting runs has always been the big flaw.
   62. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:09 PM (#4170743)
Is there really a question as to why I think this is a WTF choice by the voters?

I think the issue may be that normally we would SAY that something is a "WTF choice", but we're really just saying that the voters made a mistake, not a confusing or inexplicable mistake, just a mistake of voting for the more famous player.

Whereas you are legitimately saying "WTF?", as in it is not clear what mechanism could have led to this happening.
   63. Flynn Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4170750)
Vogelsong got his deserved all-star place for this year last year. I'm not too bothered by that.
   64. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4170755)
Whereas you are legitimately saying "WTF?", as in it is not clear what mechanism could have led to this happening.


If that's how I've come across, then I've been completely horrific at explaining what I mean. I intend the first meaning, that the voters made a mistake driven largely by the hometown support for Sandoval. Atop that, from a standpoint of who "deserves" to start the 2012 All Star Game at 3B the answer is not Pablo Sandoval using most measures we have and giving varying weight to current years performance, previous years performance, stardom, and whatever other things go into that admittedly subjective mix.

The disconnect is coming from my thinking it's obvious that Panda is a poor choice, whereas others disagree.
   65. Flynn Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4170756)
Huh? Wright, along with those two, are certainly the central pillars of "Surprising Mets!" narrative. He's certainly the most popular player on the team.


Not really - the media is in full-on Dickeymania, and Santana has the no-no and the arm surgery in his back pocket. David Wright is basically having the same season as last year, just with 100 more points of BA. I'm not looking down on .355, of course, but it's not like he's done something noteworthy like hit 20 home runs by the break that would grab people's attention.

He's the most popular player among Met fans, but being the most popular player (and a cipher everywhere else) of NYC's second team that's still losing fans despite a surprising season is not enough versus a popular public figure across baseball who has the weight of a major American region that is still in love with his team behind him.
   66. PreservedFish Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4170758)
I think bb-ref should use a rolling WAR calculation, sort of like multi year park factors, and apply THAT to the WAR calculation. Using single year fielding data and weighting that the same as the batting runs has always been the big flaw.


I would like to see a regressed multi-year defensive component. Just as an option. I would hope that that number would become the go-to for arguments on this site.
   67. bobm Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4170761)
[27]
Uggla and Altuve are interesting selections at 2B:

I'm not sure what your list is intended to prove, beyond that a banjo hitting second baseman for a bad team might be deserving of a slot if you trust some defensive metrics.


It doesn't hurt that every team must be represented and Altuve is the only representative of the Astros.
   68. Flynn Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4170762)
I don't pay attention to defensive WAR much of the time. It's like slicing off part of a pitcher's WAR because he plays in the NL and sucks at the plate. I don't care.

If a guy is consistently -0.8 WAR, then maybe that's worth talking about. But average defenders never really sit at 0.0. I'm looking at Wright's stat card now, which is a good example. He's basically average, but he's never at 0.0, rather fluctuating between -0.9 and 1.4.
   69. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4170772)
David Wright is basically having the same season as last year, just with 100 more points of BA.


I think this is mistaken. Since getting beaned he'd started striking out much more and lost 20-30 walks per year. This year he's walking even more often than during his great years, and he's striking out less than he ever has. On top of that, he's the only person a casual fan can pick out in the starting lineup. I agree that the media is in full-on Dickeymania, but that only became true the past month. Johan has been a big story all season. But I don't think you can go from that to saying he's the forgotten man of the Mets.

ETA: ESPN has been hyping the game tonight as "Kershaw and the Dodgers vs. Superstar David Wright." Anecdotal, but David Wright is not Vlad Guerrero circa early aughts where he was a huge player but people didn't know about him. Of course, if you're correct and I'm wrong in saying that Wright is more famous than Sandoval, then my WTF becomes simply the first meaning from 62.
   70. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:31 PM (#4170773)
It doesn't hurt that every team must be represented and Altuve is the only representative of the Astros.

Lowrie would've been a better selection, but this way LaRussa gets to dick over Brandon Phillips. Also, Johnny Cueto has thrown 107 innings with a 2.26 ERA (184 ERA+). He's 9-4, so it's not like his record is holding him back. No idea how he gets left off. Well, one idea.
   71. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4170788)
This is the 20th All-Star game since the Rockies and Marlins entered the league. For no good reason I decided to look at who they've had in the game.

1993: Galarraga
1994: Bichette
1995: Bichette, Castilla
1996: Bichette, Burks, Young
1997: Walker, Galarraga
1998: Walker, Bichette, Castilla
1999: Walker
2000: Helton, Hammonds, Cirillo
2001: Helton, Walker, Hampton
2002: Helton
2003: Helton, Chacon, Preston Wilson
2004: Helton
2005: Fuentes
2006: Holliday and Fuentes
2007: Holliday and Fuentes
2008: Holliday and Cook
2009: Hawpe and Marquis (yes, this team went to the playoffs)
2010: Tulowitzki and Jimenez
2011: Tulowitzki
2012: Gonzalez, ?

1993: Sheffield, Bryan Harvey
1994: Conine
1995: Conine
1996: Sheffield, Brown, Leiter
1997: Alou, Brown, Charles Johnson
1998: Renteria
1999: Alex Gonzalez
2000: Dempster
2001: Floyd, Charles Johnson
2002: Lowell, Castillo
2003: Lowell, Castillo, Willis (yes, these were the World Series winners)
2004: Lowell, Cabrera, Pavano, Armando Benitez
2005: Cabrera, Castillo, Lo Duca, Willis
2006: Cabrera, Uggla
2007: Cabrera
2008: Ramirez, Uggla
2009: Ramirez, Josh Johnson
2010: Ramirez, John Johnson
2011: Sanchez
2012: Stanton, ?
   72. Jim Wisinski Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4170797)
On the other hand I believe Ben Zobrist's dWAR was ludicrous last year for the same reason, and everybody just said "The Rays have yet another unsung hero in deserving MVP candidate Ben Zobrist", because he also was hitting well.


No, last year Zobrist's dWAR was slightly negative because Total Zone didn't like his defense at either position (-4 combined). While I feel strongly that it was incorrect the switch to DRS for dWAR this season retroactively put his 2011 numbers too far in the other direction, giving him +29 for the season. Looking back now WAR has him as easily the MVP in 2011 and behind only Greinke (.7 up on Mauer, the next best position player) in 2009. He was a great player in both seasons and deserved higher MVP finishes than he got even if you ignore the goofy high numbers that dWAR gives him under the new system but at the time his numbers weren't extreme.
   73. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4170801)
So who wins the NL Final Man vote?
   74. Lassus Posted: July 01, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4170802)
Holy mother's basement, Batman, on what planet in which galaxy does anyone actually imagine that the all-star game is judged by anyone at all to include the last 162 games as opposed to simply this year?
   75.     Hey Gurl Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:06 PM (#4170808)
Holy mother's basement, Batman, on what planet in which galaxy does anyone actually imagine that the all-star game is judged by anyone at all to include the last 162 games as opposed to simply this year?


As pointed out 9 or 10 times, the voting starts in April, so it pretty much has to. The Napoli selection suggests as much as well, as do others, probably.
   76. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4170810)
As pointed out 9 or 10 times, the voting starts in April, so it pretty much has to.


As pointed out a second time, the majority of the votes happen in the final week or so, and the vast majority of the votes come in June.
   77. Baldrick Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4170815)
This is the biggest travesty in the world. A game that I only marginally care about will feature several players who are not obviously the best by the specific standard that I set. This is particularly surprising given that the process of selection involves several arbitrary decisions (made by masses of people) stacked on top of each other.

My god! Won't someone please think of the children?!

Massively weighting the first 80 games of the current season is one perfectly cromulent way to decide your personal All-Star team. To pull out the smelling salts every time other people disagree with you is a little bit ridiculous.
   78. Brian C Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4170820)
As pointed out 9 or 10 times, the voting starts in April, so it pretty much has to. The Napoli selection suggests as much as well, as do others, probably.

OK then ... but in which galaxy does anyone actually imagine that the vast majority of the voting is based on anything besides, a) "oh I've heard of that guy," and b) "hey that guy plays for my favorite team!" This applies for player and manager selections, too, as far as I can tell.
   79. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4170821)
To pull out the smelling salts every time other people disagree with you is a little bit ridiculous.


Isn't that the point of all internet debates? I apologize if I came of as strident.

But it's weird that the argument has become a defense of the notion that the first half of the current season, which is the only information on the performance of players for this season, shouldn't be that highly considered when choosing this year's all star team.

I guess I should have voted for Ellsbury.
   80. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4170823)
Lowrie would've been a better selection, but this way LaRussa gets to dick over Brandon Phillips. Also, Johnny Cueto has thrown 107 innings with a 2.26 ERA (184 ERA+). He's 9-4, so it's not like his record is holding him back. No idea how he gets left off. Well, one idea.


Cincinnati fans are pretty upset about the Cueto snub in particular. I'd like to think LaRussa left him off the team for some reason other than the the 2010 brouhaha. We'll never know though.

“I see that I have great numbers,” [Cueto] said. “I thought the way I pitched this year, I’d have a chance to go to the All-Star Game. I don’t know what happened. I don’t if know the manager of All-Star Game is pissed at me because I went out with one of his girlfriends.”


Johnny Cueto, Brandon Phillips snubs anger Reds
   81. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:28 PM (#4170824)
I don’t if know the manager of All-Star Game is pissed at me because I went out with one of his girlfriends.


Awesome. Gonna be nice to no longer have LaRussa playing favorites with All Star selections.
   82. Tuque Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4170829)
I love All-Star Game threads. In fact I'm fairly certain I love All-Star Game threads more than I love the actual All-Star Game.
   83. The District Attorney Posted: July 01, 2012 at 05:40 PM (#4170831)
Just to clarify, David Wright is in fact boring.
   84. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 01, 2012 at 06:04 PM (#4170844)
. . . the Nationals could conceivably place four players on the NL team if Harper wins the final vote. Wow.

Going to be difficult for Harper to win when many of his supporters will be without electricity throughout the voting period. Sure, there are smart phones, but who will use up their limited battery life to vote 25 times?
   85. Walt Davis Posted: July 01, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4170848)
This shows that the [players'] voting probably started too early

The players' voting is just all screwed up. It only makes "sense" to have them vote after the fans' votes are compiled (but that probably isn't feasible). No doubt virtually every player voted for Votto who won the fan vote. LaHair probably finished second with something like 5 votes and goes as the players' pick. If asked to vote for the best non-Votto NL 1B, they might well have come up with a different choice.

I don’t if know the manager of All-Star Game is pissed at me because I went out with one of his girlfriends.

ick.
   86. sunnyday2 Posted: July 01, 2012 at 06:16 PM (#4170849)
AL catcher--speaking as a Twins fan, I think Napoli was the right choice.
1b--woulda preferred Konerko
2b--tough choice, woulda preferred Konerko
ss--what can you say
3b--would picked Miggie at 1b or dh but not 3b
of--got it
pitchers--dunno where to start or finish

dunno much about the nl but not crazy about the Uggla and Sandoval picks. What does Hill have to do? And I'm with the Dave Wright likers. And I don't care what Melky is coin' this year, we've seen enough to know he's not an all-star. OTOH I'm not a big Ryan Braun guy nor Carlos G. McCutcheon maybe.

If I could make 2 picks: Konerko and Hill.
   87. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 01, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4170851)
2b--tough choice, woulda preferred Konerko


Me too. That has the very real potential of being beyond Uggly.

   88. sunnyday2 Posted: July 01, 2012 at 06:36 PM (#4170859)
I shoulda added that despite some nits, as far as position players are concerned, this is better tan usual. No comment re. pitchers.
   89. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 01, 2012 at 06:55 PM (#4170862)
Going to be difficult for Harper to win when many of his supporters will be without electricity throughout the voting period. Sure, there are smart phones, but who will use up their limited battery life to vote 25 times?
This is actually a really good point that actually could affect him, hadn't considered it (even though I live in the DC area).
   90. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 01, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4170875)
TLR: If Dusty had been more interested in Cueto being on the team, then he wouldn’t be pitching him on Sunday. Cueto probably would be on the team if he wasn’t pitching Sunday.

I didn't think it was customary to consider a pitcher's day in the rotation. He may have an AS bonus in his contract, after all. But hey, it's a reason.

Also, I think the gf comment by Cueto was a joke added by the writer.
   91. Rusty Mitchener Posted: July 01, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4170878)
Same thing applies to the NCAA tournament: if you're going to be a whiny little ##### about who got selected, you better name who was undeserving. Or else you are just an immature choad.
   92. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: July 01, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4170884)
As much as it pains me to say it as a certified Harper fanboy, Aaron Hill is more worthy of being on the team on merit.

But I really hope it doesn't end up being Chipper Jones. As great a career as he has had, he's not worthy of being on the team this year just because it's his last season.
   93. The District Attorney Posted: July 01, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4170894)
The NL Home Run Derby team is Kemp (captain), Beltran, Stanton and CarGo.
   94. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4170899)
Stanton is a really good pick for the team. Kinda sad that Harper isn't a choice given his tape measure power. Kemp, Beltran, and CarGo aren't who I generally think of when I think of sluggers, even though they certainly have power.

Ortiz and Fielder should join Cano on the AL, and what about Adam Dunn?
   95. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4170902)
Greinke might've gotten squeezed, though it is pretty crowded at SP in the NL. Miley being the lone Dback might've been Greinke's tough luck, that and the fact that it is not a game at Miller Park.
   96.     Hey Gurl Posted: July 01, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4170912)
Ortiz and Fielder should join Cano on the AL, and what about Adam Dunn?


I would think that the guy leading the AL in HR, and who led the AL last year and the year before ... might be a choice for the HR Derby...
   97. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4170916)
Bautista is certainly a good pick.

Kemp won't be going to the ASG, so there'll be an injury replacement both in the game and for the derby. Bourn for the game and Braun for the HR derby?
   98. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 01, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4170918)
Speaking of travesties, Lance Lynn is 27th in the NL in ERA and 30th in WHIP. He's 10th in Ks. How is he doing on this team, other than LaRussa being a joke of an All Star game manager?
   99. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 01, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4170927)

It doesn't hurt that every team must be represented and Altuve is the only representative of the Astros.


Altuve is a fun guy to watch. He's like five-five.
   100. Howie Menckel Posted: July 01, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4170931)
Altuve is first guy 5-5 or shorter to hit 5 HR since Fred Patek. Yes, really.

I assume the Subway commercial with Jared is already in the wings?

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