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EDIT: Forgot Victor Martinez, Buehrle, and Cordero in that list. They're legitimate selections too.
they had to get a sixth Red Sox in there somehow...
-Braves offense
Three-time All-Star Freddy Sanchez! I would rather have seen Zach Duke as the Pirates' representative. He can take the place of Jason Marquis, who is one of two Rockies on the team.
He's been in the top 5 of MVP voting for three straight years and is having another typical year by his standards. Many more people would have been outraged if he didn't make it. Wakefield is pretty bad, though. The last time I checked, he had an ERA in the 3.50 range, but I guess he's been terrible lately. There were lots of better options.
How old is this idiot.
What a ####### joke.
He's been in the top 5 of MVP voting for three straight years and is having another typical year by his standards. Many more people would have been outraged if he didn't make it.
Many people would be outraged that he's being severely outplayed by 3 NL 1st basemen? Really?
Manuel said he was going to take Howard because he'd be playing in front of his hometown fans.
The final vote is:
AL: Figgins, Inge, Kinsler, Lind, Pena
NL: Guzman, Kemp, Reynolds, Victorino, Fat Ichiro
I would've preferred Scutaro to Lind, but both are deserving.
Sure. If it goes extra innings and they run out of pitchers, he can keep going until the sun comes up -- and still not miss his next turn in the rotation.
hunter pence is NOT a good CF. with beltran and ibanez out they had darn well better replace them sith an actual center fielder who can, you know, like play center
sigh
Ben Zobrist, Edwin Jackson, Josh Johnson, Jason Marquis, Brad Hawpe, and Aaron Hill are on the team, and none of them are "obligatory" choices. Star power! I am finding it hard to muster any fake outrage, but surely others will pick up the slack.
Obligatory team representatives:
Orioles - Adam Jones
Indians - Victor Martinez
Royals - Zack Greinke
White Sox - Mark Buehrle
Athletics - Andrew Bailey, the Lance Carter of 2009. First MLBer from Wagner College since Curt Blefary.
Braves - Brian McCann
Nationals - Ryan Zimmerman
Cubs - Ted Lilly
Pirates - Freddy Sanchez
Reds - Francisco Cordero
I cannot believe the Cubs, Braves and White Sox have one All-Star each.
I don't understand how Bueherle is an "obligatory representative" in your eyes yet you "cannot believe the ... White Sox have one All-Star"? That wouldn't make him very obligatory, would it?
Shane Victerino, and Matt Kemp seemed to be needed to replace Ibanez and Beltran.
No, the use of "obligatory" wasn't meant to say that. Those are just all the teams with exactly one representative.
Braves - Brian McCann
No love for Chipper Jones?
Satchel Paige might've been 45 when he first made the all-star team in 1952.
I first thought Homer Bailey had made the team but then I remembered he's spent most of the year in Louisville.
I've never heard of Andrew Bailey.
Aaron Hill got more votes from the players than Ian Kinsler??? Color me shocked...
First Half All-Stars
Player Year IP H SO BB HR ERA SVBailey 2009: 47.1 29 57 19 3 2.09 8
Carter 2003: 46.2 44 30 14 6 4.05 15
I think it's kind of a combination strategic pick and "hey you've been a pretty good player and never made an all-star team and you had a decent first half" selection.
It's too bad Tim Salmon never got similar treatment.
I actually like the all star game, but I've long since stopped caring about the rosters.
Certain teams are going to stuff the ballot boxes, over-the-hill vets are going to get elected until they retire, and the managers are going to make stupid and self-serving picks for the reserves.
It is what it is.
He should have gone in 2001. Great first half for the team with the best pitching in the league, plus versatility that should be welcomed in All-Star settings. I don't think Torre likes knuckleballers, however.
What a waste of a spot. (Otherwise the AL outfield looks fairly devastating, with lots of hitting, running and defensive ability.)
It also helps that several of the worst teams in baseball had at least one player who could merit selection:
Pittsburgh had Sanchez and Duke.
KC had Greinke
Baltimore had Adam Jones or Sherrill
Oakland had Braden or Bailey
Cleveland had Martinez (by the way, if Martinez was traded tomorrow, and since he is Cleveland's only representative, would MLB be obligated to select another Indian, probably to replace Hamilton on the roster - maybe Choo?)
Washington had Zimmerman
SD had Gonzalez and Bell
ARI had Upton, Reynolds, Haren
Oakland was probably the team that had the weakest roster from which to choose an All-Star.
I don't think the league is obligated, but I suspect MLB would try to replace him with an Indian. But Jeff Shaw was traded from the Reds to the Dodgers just before the 1998 game, leaving Cincinnati without a representative.
Actually, 19 wins is the bigger number. He's 19 wins away from 193 victories as a Red Sox pitcher, supplanting Clemens and Cy Young as the winningest pitcher in franchise history. I suspect that's what MHS was referring to.
He's also injured. TJ surgery on June 30.
-- MWE
DINGERS! DINGERS!
He's also leading the league in wins, somehow, and any pitcher who does that has a pretty good chance of being on the All-Star roster. (Kevin Slowey is also tied for the wins lead, and he didn't make the team, but his ERA is even worse than Wakefield's.)
If you're into conspiracies though, check out what the NHL did to the guy who had the fan support two years ago, Rory something. That's not just rumors, you can look at the math. It's basically incontrovertible.
Primarily, by pitching pretty decently most times out. In only two of his wins did he fail to turn in a quality start (and he got a no-decision in a 7-inning shutout effort). He's also yielded no unearned runs.
He's pitched terribly in two of his three losses.
that's ironic
His support-neutral W-L record is 6.2-5.4 according to B-Pro, giving him the 22nd most S-N wins in the AL. It's the excellent run support he's received that's driven his league leading win total.
Sure. If it goes extra innings and they run out of pitchers, he can keep going until the sun comes up --
Or until the first combination of a walk, a stolen base and two passed balls ends the game within the first two batters. Where is Doug Mirabelli going to be when they need him?
What a ####### joke.
You should get your blood pressure checked. It's the freaking All-Star game, what's the difference, really?
"He's pitched terribly in two of his three losses."
That's the thing about relying on all of the runs allowed as equally important.
Once a guy is down 4-0, each additional run he allows does little to change the team's likelihood of winning, which already is dismal.
Seems like a refinement, for comparison purposes, would be to create a limit or decreasing scale on the "extra runs" surrendered in blowouts.
(I haven't looked closely at Wakefield myself, but seems like he might be an example based on other posts.)
In golf, one fluky bad hole (maybe it's rainy and windy, and a good golfer hits two tee shots into the woods) can lead to a misleading score for a very good golfer in terms of his overall handicap. So there's a limit on how many strokes such a golfer can list for any given hole for official handicap purposes (example, nothing over a double bogey can be turned in on a card, for some golfers), as opposed to his actual score counting in his friendly wager with the other twosome.
No one cares about his pitch count or arm, so he can theoretically throw forever, but he'll probably give up a walkoff homer on the first pitch.
He's not; see comment #59.
His support neutral win-loss record is just about what one would expect given his ERA/ERA+. He has a great record because the Red Sox have scored 6.6 runs per game in his starts, including 6+ runs in 10 of his 16 starts.
Not that I expect Charlie Manuel to do such a thing. But he could.
That's some dumb logic. Let's vote in a guy who may be the NL's 3rd string catcher at game at the expense of Mark Reynolds, who's been one of the best hitters in the NL in the first half?
Mark Reynolds: .269/.355/.562 for a 133 OPS+.
Who's the better hitter again?
Do you think Reynolds is more deserving than Sandoval?
So i've heard
2. I wasn't advocating that Sandoval be voted in because of his catcher flexibility, just that it would be a nice by-product of him being the 33rd selection. Don't get all salty because Mark Reynolds shouldn't get in over him.
As a Reds fan I'd like to have seen Votto get in with that 4th 1b slot. He's been more valuable in 50 games than Howard has in 80+ games.
But in an honest moment, I'd probably say Sandoval deserves that spot, or the NL should try to find another OF.
That's pretty stupid. No one is saying Howard deserves to go (at all or over any particular player). Howard's not on the final ballot; Sandoval and Reynolds are, which is why you chose to directly compare them. You said Reynolds deserves to go over Sandoval, a position someone else disagreed with. Don't go diluting the argument just because you didn't realize how badly Sandoval was outperforming your team's guy.
EDIT: It sounds like you just haven't looked at Sandoval's numbers in a month.
This^^.
Well, this ^^ too
Carried them to what? the D'backs are 33-49.
As you say, it's not going to happen. No way is Charlie going to use his guy, who's coming off a groin injury, as a catcher, not even in an emergency.
He should be the one voted in. Besides, the roster needs an actual CFer on it.
For someone who complains as much as you do about Mets fans being homers, you're certainly exhibiting the same symptoms. in what world has Reynolds outperformed Sandoval? Yes, they're both better choices than Ryan Howard; but in terms of a direct choice, Sandoval is better.
technically speaking, there is no written rule that you have to be in the all star game to participate in the homerun derby, so someone should get Reynolds into the homerun derby. (and everyone should still tank to allow Albert to win it)
diddo
So my vote is split.....
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Warp1 is in favor of Kemp(4.4) over Sandoval (3.9)
WAR is in favor of Kemp and also the lack of CFers on the NL roster with Beltran out with an injury. Kemp has been great in CF this year. Sandoval is obviously having a better year at the plate but Kemp does everything else better and the position scarcity puts it in his favor IMO.
Although this conversation won't matter if Kemp takes Beltran's spot because of injury.
As someone else pointed out above, Kemp is 4th in the NL in WAR with 3.5; Sandoval is at 2.7, Reynolds 2.3, Victorino 1.4, and Guzman 0.8. Victorino has been rated as a good defensive CF in the past but is coming up pretty negative this year (-14 UZR/150), so do with that what you will.
AL last-man ballot by WAR: Inge 3.2, Kinsler 2.8, Figgins 2.6, Adam Lind 2.4, Carlos Pena 2.0.
The worst is when a manager rewards some overachiever that no one cares about just to get extra points in his own clubhouse.
The Phillies did win last year and Howard had a big Sept. He does have some celeb status.
Sandoval vs Reynolds is a "stop the fight," though.
Appearances aside, Sandoval can really pick it at 3B.
Reynolds - not so much, is the kind description.
It's not close, overall.
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