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Thursday, May 10, 2012

Amaro: Phils could be July sellers at this rate

Juan Pierre could be everywhere!

And if things don’t turn around, Amaro said, it could be another busy July for him. Only this time, instead of adding talent—as he did with Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt and Hunter Pence—he could be looking to sell it off.

“The way we’re playing is unacceptable,” Amaro said. “We’re always looking to improve the club, but we have to start by doing it in-house. Guys have to play better. There are players with talent here. Sometimes players need to take it upon themselves to perform better.”

...But none of this has made the Phils’ performance any easier to take. The bullpen has given away leads like Halloween candy. The offense, though better lately, has still been maddeningly inconsistent. The defense in the Mets’ series was wretched.

“I don’t like the type of baseball we’re playing,” Amaro said. “We’re playing fundamentally unsound baseball, missing cutoffs and making mental mistakes. We’re better than what we’re showing. How much better? I don’t know. But we’re better than this. Regardless of who is in or out of the lineup we should be better.

“With the exception of our starting pitching, all phases of the game have been shoddy.”

Repoz Posted: May 10, 2012 at 01:24 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. SouthSideRyan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4128295)
Why I'm so frustrated, I may even have to trade away cornerstones like Utley and Howard!
   2. Benji Posted: May 10, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4128321)
Who could draw any interest besides Halladay and Lee? Polanco, Victorino? Even if they wanted to move one of the big two pirchers, they'd have to throw in money. And that mother lode of prospects we kept hearing about couldn't beat out the Orrs, Pierres and Schneiders. They are in horrible shape right now and the future looks even bleaker. Too f'n bad.
   3. Dan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:02 PM (#4128338)
I bet they'd have no issue moving Lee or Halladay without throwing in money, they'd simply get very little in return since they're paid pretty much fair value.
   4. Dr. Vaux Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4128343)
You don't think they could get a bidding war going for Lee and Halladay that would net them real prospects? Those are difference makers, and their contracts are fair value. Actually, trading the two of them this season might be the only way to avoid a descent into total horribleness in the next few years.
   5. Metman died today. Or yesterday maybe, Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4128345)
They aren't selling. This is just Amaro's lame attempt to light a fire under the team.

If they did sell, Lee, Halladay, and Hamels would be valuable commodities, even with their salaries. Phillies wouldn't have to pay anything. Pence and Victorino also would have value.

But it doesn't matter. They aren't selling.
   6. JJ1986 Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4128347)
This probably means trading Hamels and Victorino. And maybe they can move Blanton.
   7. ColonelTom Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4128349)
Who could draw any interest besides Halladay and Lee? Polanco, Victorino?


There are a few teams that could use a guy like Hamels. Blanton and Pence would also be useful pieces for contenders.

A Pence-for-Youkilis trade would be interesting - both have similar salaries and are under team control through 2013.
   8. ColonelTom Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4128356)
Lee and Halladay have limited no-trade clauses - they'd likely be able to block a trade to anyone who can afford their contracts.
   9. HOLLA(R) Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:15 PM (#4128359)
A Pence-for-Youkilis trade would be interesting


As a Red Sox fan, I would pull the trigger on this so fast that I suspect there is no chance it will ever happen.

Please let it happen.
   10. Bad Doctor Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4128360)
Actual quote:

if July comes and we’re playing like this, we’ll be sellers.


If July comes and they've been playing like this the whole time, they'll be like 42-54 (and terrible). Of course they'll be sellers.
   11. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4128361)
There are a few teams that could use a guy like Hamels.

Everyone can use an old-school enforcer.
   12. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:26 PM (#4128368)
It's not surprising that the Phillies are below average offensively, but the culprits are. I would've figured that the Wiggingtons, Nixes, and Pierres would be lineup dead weight. So far the scrubs have been fine with the exception of Galvis. Victorino and especially Rollins are the big problems. Polanco too, though it's not unexpected with his age and recent track record. SSS caveats, of course.
   13. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4128372)
Hamels is going to the Dodgers in December, might as well go there now.
   14. boteman Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4128373)
Maybe Victorino wants to join his old outfield buddy Jayson Werth in center field at Nationals Park? That is, after Werth is whole again.

The Flyin Hawaiian couldn't be any worse at the plate than Ankiel or Berandina, although he doesn't have the arm that Ankiel has. The Nats could be buyers if they can keep their heads above water through May and June.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:33 PM (#4128375)
Either that, or he wants to join his old outfield buddy Matt Stairs coaching junior hockey in New Brunswick.
   16. ColonelTom Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4128387)
The catch on Amaro's being a "seller" is that because of the commitments to Lee, Halladay, Howard, Rollins, Papelbon, and Utley, this team has to try to compete again quickly (i.e., next year). I don't see him selling off guys for low-minors prospects, so he's going to be limited to trading partners that are (1) contending now and (2) have MLB-ready players that they can afford to trade while competing for the playoffs. That's a tough needle to thread.
   17. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: May 10, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4128400)
Parris (#11) stole my thoughts.

The Phillies are pretty unlikable as an organization, even if you aren't a Nationals fan, and having them wind up with Orr (Nationals castoff) and Pierre as starters is divine justice.

I'm hoping Hamels comes out for his next start drooling tobacco juice down the front of his uniform and with a fake scar somewhere. Old school San Diego!
   18. Natty Fan Posted: May 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4128427)
#17 - In his brief time with the Nats, I thought of Pete Orr as a Braves castoff. I was shocked when I saw him in the Phillies' lineup on Friday night.

As a Nats fan, I'm supposed to hate the Phillies, but I just don't. In 2008, I saw their success as a path for the Nats to emulate: develop star players at four positions (Rollins, Utley, Howard and Hamels) and the rest will take care of itself. Yes, they seemed poised for a surprisingly sudden demise, and I won't shed any tears, but I don't see any "justice." I just see a team that pushed all its chips to the center of the table the past two seasons, only to get dealt a bad hand. I can only hope one day my favorite baseball team can lament that it "only won one World Series."
   19. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 03:10 PM (#4128436)
Lee and Halladay have limited no-trade clauses - they'd likely be able to block a trade to anyone who can afford their contracts.
I'm sure that Lee would block any trade, but I think Halladay would accept a trade to the Yankees or Red Sox, maybe the Angels or Rangers, depending on he feels about playing in the Western Division.
   20. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 10, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4128438)
Maybe Victorino wants to join his old outfield buddy Jayson Werth in center field at Nationals Park? That is, after Werth is whole again.
I figure once Werth and Moore are back in the lineup, Harper goes to center.
   21. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: May 10, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4128447)
Yes, they seemed poised for a surprisingly sudden demise, and I won't shed any tears, but I don't see any "justice." I just see a team that pushed all its chips to the center of the table the past two seasons, only to get dealt a bad hand. I can only hope one day my favorite baseball team can lament that it "only won one World Series."


I have to admit that my dislike for the Phillies, outside of "Blood and Guts" Hamels, is mainly based on their obnoxious f###ing fans occupying Nationals Park the past few years.
   22. Lassus Posted: May 10, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4128478)
All you losers in the prediction thread who picked them running away with the division are losers.
   23. Derb Posted: May 10, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4128528)
Who could draw any interest besides Halladay and Lee? Polanco, Victorino?


I could see the Tigers being interested in bringing Polanco back, so long as the price is cheap. Maybe they can resign Ugueth Urbina and trade him to Philly again.

He'd have to move back to 2B full time, but he'd be better there than Raburn.
   24. mathesond Posted: May 10, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4128534)
I don't see him selling off guys for low-minors prospects, so he's going to be limited to trading partners that are (1) contending now and (2) have MLB-ready players that they can afford to trade while competing for the playoffs.


The Blue Jays could very well fit into that second group
   25. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: May 10, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4128544)
I've been telling everyone for 2+ years that this version of the Phillies was going to age badly/quickly...

and me being a Mets fan that was mostly wishcasting, I look at that team now and I look at the 2008-2011 team and I'm thinking WTF happened here?

They still have a great rotation (Starter ERA is 3.06), but that everyday lineup is a notch or two below the post-Madoff Mets for crissakes, and good god what is wrong with theirpen (reliever ERA of 5.59, next worse is Milwaukee at 4.77) they can't really be THAT bad out there can they?

Is Utley coming back? Will he be more than a shadow of his former self?
   26. pkb33 Posted: May 10, 2012 at 06:44 PM (#4128680)
Yeah, I don't find this all that shocking---they have gotten older in virtually every transaction for years, and had likely-to-age-poorly Utley and Howard at the core to begin with. Agree with others that there is little chance they actually blow it up, though.

Amaro does have a bit of a self-protection reason to make big changes, so I guess that could be considered in the assessment.
   27. Jim Wisinski Posted: May 10, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4128818)
The Blue Jays could very well fit into that second group


It would potentially make things tougher for the Rays but I wouldn't care: The Jays trading for Halladay to make a playoff run would be fantastic.
   28. McCoy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4128897)
We'll take all of Lee's contract if you take all of Alfonso Soriano's contract.
   29. McCoy Posted: May 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4128902)
I've been telling everyone for 2+ years that this version of the Phillies was going to age badly/quickly...

Well, you are on to something with Utley who it doesn't appear is going to age gracefully. But Howard's injury was a fluke, the starting pitching is still very good, and they went out and got Papelbon.

No Utley and no Howard is really hurting this team.
   30. TerpNats Posted: May 11, 2012 at 12:41 AM (#4128971)
I'd love to see Victorino on the Nats, if only to hear "Buffalo Soldiers" played at Nationals Park every time he comes to bat.
   31. Dan Posted: May 11, 2012 at 12:48 AM (#4128976)
As far as CF for the Nationals, the latest rumor is possibly Bourjos to the Nats. That would make a lot of sense, since he's basically been riding the pine since Trout was called up, and the Nats could use a legit center fielder.
   32. McCoy Posted: May 11, 2012 at 01:08 AM (#4128982)
I think the Cubs should be peddling Campana right about now.
   33. jack47 Posted: May 11, 2012 at 01:29 AM (#4128990)
I just see a team that pushed all its chips to the center of the table the past two seasons, only to get dealt a bad hand CHRIS ####### CARPENTER, BIATCHEZZZZZZ!!!!!! HIS CRAD SAYS CCDNGAFAPATCTTCOFTT!!!!!!!! WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!.

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