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Amed Rosario could be answer to Mets’ outfield problem

There is also an opening at 1B, 2B, 3B, C, in the bullpen, the starting rotation, and, if they move Rosario to CF, at SS.

Jim Furtado Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:04 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. formerly dp Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5723072)
Good thing Joey Bats has RF locked down...
   2. Adam Starblind Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5723082)
Well that's a dumb idea.
   3. Adam Starblind Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5723088)
To expand on that, they already have a reasonably competent CF'er in Nimmo who can actually hit. They also have parts of three other starting-quality outfielders in Conforto, Bruce, and Cespedes. If the latter two can't get on the field (I'm assuming we'll get about 25 games of Lagares again next year), they will need another outfielder, by why Rosario?

He presently can't hit or play CF. He's a fast runner so he might be good at center sooner or later, but maybe not. They also don't have an alternative at shortstop unless and until Andres Gimenez can produce, which is probably at least a season away, by which time we should have a pretty good idea whether Rosario will ever be able to hit enough to start at any position.

In other words, dumb idea.
   4. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 08, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5723114)
If you've got a guy who's struggling to hit but who can play a difficult defensive position, why force him to learn a different defensive position where he's going to need to hit even more in order to be a decent everyday player there? That seems dumb.
   5. catomi01 Posted: August 08, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5723136)
If you're going to have bad ideas, at least shoot for the stars. Throw a boat load of money at Machado and Harper in the offseason and see what happens.
   6. formerly dp Posted: August 08, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5723146)
It's a dumb idea, for sure--but it's also a very Mets idea: make a move to solve a problem that doesn't actually solve the problem, while creating another one.

Cespedes is done for the first half of 2019--so I assume the OF is Bruce/Nimmo/Conforto--and yeah it'd be great to get more than a dozen games from Lagares, but I'm set to give up on that one too. What's wrong with bringing Jackson back? Bruce can shift to 1B if/when Cespedes returns...but they've got to figure Alonso's ready mid-2019 too.

At this point, the 2019 squad is weirdly in the same position as the 2018 team was in heading into the offseason: some guys pretty well locked, but fairly mediocre, and not a lot of room to improve. They could sign a 1B, but whoever it is will block Alonso. They could sign a corner OF, but that will create a bigger logjam when Cespedes comes back. 3B is Frazier, for better or for worse, Amed at SS, and maybe McNeil at 2B. Only place where there's an obvious opening is at C--and even there, Plawecki's .220/.329/.371 is still good for a 97 OPS+. Not great, but passable if that's your starting C (ML average for catchers is .234/.306/.377). Nido's doing OK at AA, but hardly banging on the door. Gonna be another long & frustrating season, made worse by the fact that they'll be cutting checks to Bruce & Swarzak & Vargas & Bobby Bonilla.

   7. TomH Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5723256)
Yes, putting your poor-hitting SS in the OF will surely help the team score more runs in de Grom's starts, so he will win games. Yeesh.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:10 PM (#5723267)
Bruce & Swarzak & Vargas


You know I tend to defend Alderson but this was the most predictable failed offseason ever. I did like the Frazier signing.
   9. formerly dp Posted: August 08, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5723318)
You know I tend to defend Alderson but this was the most predictable failed offseason ever. I did like the Frazier signing.
Yeah for real. I understood the logic behind Bruce signing, but didn't particularly care for it. Hated the Vargas signing--especially on a two-year deal. Didn't expect it to turn out so badly, though. And I also understood the Frazier signing, but didn't have high hopes for him--and predicted that Flores would out-hit him. Although b/c Flores is apparently so bad in the field, Fangraphs has Frazier ahead on WAR (.7 to .6). Trying to think of a single move they made coming into the season and coming up empty. A-Gon is a distant memory at this point--but it looks like that turned out to be the least bad of them all.
   10. Adam Starblind Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5723355)
At this point, the 2019 squad is weirdly in the same position as the 2018 team was in heading into the offseason: some guys pretty well locked, but fairly mediocre, and not a lot of room to improve.


I really don't see it that way. There is no reason for a team to feel locked into mediocre players. The Mets have exactly 4 position players with 1 or more bWAR this season, one is Lagares who hasn't had 300 plate appearances since 2015, and Nimmo leads the team with 2.4.

Let's play Land of Makebelieve for a minute. Machado would be a massive upgrade on Frazier. Kimbrel would be a very big upgrade on whomever he knocks out of the bullpan. Dallas Keuchel would be a huge asset for anyone. If Bryce Harper could be had, the rest of the outfielders would have to work it out amongst themselves.

Obviously the Mets aren't going to spend a billion dollars in the offseason, but to my mind there is absolutely nobody on the roster blocking any position.
   11. Bote Man Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:19 PM (#5723360)
Jayson Werth is available.
   12. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:22 PM (#5723365)
Let's play Land of Makebelieve for a minute.


I hadn't even considered, once, that the Mets might make a play for a major free agent.
   13. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5723366)
It's a dumb idea, for sure--but it's also a very Mets idea:


EXEC 1: "We've got two center fielders. That's one too many."

EXEC 2: "Should we trade one of them?"

EXEC 3: "No! Let's trade both of them, get a bad second baseman and move him to center field!"

ALL TOGETHER: "Profit!"
   14. Adam Starblind Posted: August 08, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5723373)

I hadn't even considered, once, that the Mets might make a play for a major free agent.


Of course not. But it's not the presence of Todd Frazier or Kevin Plawecki or Jay Bruce preventing the team from improving. It's the presence of the Wilpons.
   15. formerly dp Posted: August 08, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5723474)
I really don't see it that way. There is no reason for a team to feel locked into mediocre players. The Mets have exactly 4 position players with 1 or more bWAR this season, one is Lagares who hasn't had 300 plate appearances since 2015, and Nimmo leads the team with 2.4.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as PF on this: I just assume that they won't break the bank for anyone major. And then beyond that, you end up with pricier mediocrities (next year's versions of Bruce and Frazier--though both were had relatively cheap, both have justified their low price tags by being hurt & bad). I don't know what catchers are available (Ramos for sure--he'd look good as a Met), or who beyond Machado they could get at 3B (Machado still has aspirations of playing SS for his new team, yeah?).

Regardless, I don't think this is a roster that's a Machado or a Keuchel away from contention. But I'd love to see how close they could get by signing all three of the guys you mentioned.

It's pretty sad how thoroughly the Wilpons have beaten the hope out of us...

deGrom got a win today--and enough runs that if you spread them around to his other starts, he could have had 5 more...
   16. PreservedFish Posted: August 08, 2018 at 05:29 PM (#5723483)
The Mets are going to be brutal for years. I'm resigned to it. I don't even care really. I'll pay attention again in 7 years when they're somehow lucky and get good again
   17. Adam Starblind Posted: August 08, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5723543)
It would have been good if they were fun to watch, to distract from the horrible universe.
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: August 08, 2018 at 08:25 PM (#5723583)
Nimmo and especially Conforto don't seem like they could play CF at all, but as noted they don't look so terrible put there. Lagares isn't quite a real CF starter, but he can make most team's 25-man rosters.

Rosario doesn't even hit as well (yet, anyway) as Lagares - and what are the odds he'll become a better defensive CF?

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