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I'll be very impressed if you can cite more than three sentences' worth of the "content" of this speech.
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He also has a problem in that one of his cherished first principles (Thou shalt not tell me what to do with my property) often results not only in individual acts of pettiness and injustice, but systemic ones as well, with poisonous and long-lasting effects upon both specific groups of people and society at large. David knows this, though he is obviously reluctant to admit it, perhaps even to himself.
I "admit" what you're saying, Andy, though not your characterization thereof.
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Nieporent obviously didn't read my post on Thomas.
If you mean that you only called him a "dim bulb" in comparison to other justices rather than a dim bulb generally, I realize that. I stand by my assertion: nobody who has read his opinions would say that. They may think he's an extremist or a fanatic or an ideologue, but there is nothing "dim" about them.
Again, like the precise question of whether Philadelphia is the site of the Neshoba County Fairgrounds or merely the nearest town, why do you think that's the issue? Do you think Reagan is merely being criticized for giving a speech in Neshoba County?
I really haven't entered the debate about the content of the speech because (a) I don't really care that much, and (b) Other than the parts cited and one or two articles I've read about the speech, I don't know the full content. But I at least know what the argument is about. And I find all these "Oh, it wasn't really Philadelphia" or "But Dukakis spoke there, too" defenses to be beyond silly.
Now it's a Category 5, 165 MPH
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/stormcenter/2005-09-21-rita_x.htm
Do you think Reagan is merely being criticized for giving a speech in Neshoba County?
No; I don't think he's merely being criticized for doing that; I think he is being called racist (or at least a panderer to racists) for doing that.
If the argument is that any mention of the phrase "state's rights" is ipso facto proof of racism, then the arguers should so state, rather than talking about where the speech was.
But you (and I mean you guys generally, not you specifically) can't have it both ways: you can't argue that the location of the speech is the proof that we're dealing with racism, and then argue that the location really isn't significant.
The problem is that the phrase "state's rights" is being cited as "code" for racism -- but you and I know damn well that if he had eschewed that phrase in favor of, say, "local control" or "federalism," the same people making the original claim would simply shift their claim to be that those phrases were code for state's rights which was code for racism. (It has already been essentially argued in this thread that opposition to judicial activism is code for opposition to Brown is code for racism.)
And the location? If the speech were in Selma it would have been code for racism, and if the speech were in Montgomery or Birmingham or Little Rock it would have been code for racism. There's nothing special about Neshoba County or Philadelphia that can't be said about dozens of other places in the South.
And if it hadn't been the <u>place</u> of the speech, racism-criers would have argued that the <u>timing</u> of the speech was significant: it was the anniversary of the killings, or Martin Luther King's Birthday, or the anniversary of the date the CRA was passed, or whatever.
I think the argument that Andy makes about the need for and propriety of the CRA's application to private property is a serious but mistaken one; I think the argument about Reagan's speech in 1980 is a fundamentally unserious one.
The expression "get a life" just keeps popping up in my head over and over again.
Now it's a Category 5, 165 MPH
sweet jesus! and it's still building steam for another day or two yet! katrina wasn't a 5 until shortly before landfall, and didn't stay there long!
how fast can these things go, anyways?
Andy's bookstore must be slow. Maybe because he doesn't carry the books by Coulter, Goldberg, et. al. that people actually want to read.
And Nieporent is probably generating billable hours while posting on this site.
:)
Katrina was a Cat V for awhile, and came in as a Cat IV; this one is likely to also diminish somewhat before landfall because of the relatively cooler waters in the western Gulf (among other reasons). On the other hand, like Katrina, it will have built up a gigantic storm surge and even if it does pop down to a IV, all that water is still getting pushed by a *lot* of wind. Galveston is looking a lot like the new Gulfport. At least most of Texas is above sea level.
Katrina hit 902mb pressure which makes her one of the lowest ever in the Atlantic, it was a 918mb when she hit land.
Rita is right now at 914mb. She has some time to lower that in the warm waters and become one awful monster.
Heck, I get $5 gas from a couple of Burrito Supremes.
This is looking to be at least as historic/catastrophic as Katrina. Granted, it's not a baseball topic, either, but it is a heck of a lot more relevant to most folks than you guys continuing your 145th political "debate". Go kill a lounge already. Please.
hopefully we're fully ready to react as soon as the storm passes.
Not funny, man.
We're shipping ice from the Gulf Coast to Maine and burning food donations. Sounds good to me.
Tell that to the people in Gulfport and Biloxi.
I don't mean that to be too flip, because the folks in New Orleans are, of course, terribly affected. And I don't think anyone believes that Houston is going to be unlivable for a number of weeks. But sometimes it seems like the media has forgotton what happened in Mississippi because the stuff in Louisiana was so much more telegenic or something.
25 foot storm surges really suck, and I hope everyone that has the potential to get nailed by it can get the heck out of Dodge. Galveston really could get blown off the map here (again), and there's probably going to have to be more fundraising and all that. Or, if we're "lucky", it will hit Matagordo and only wipe out little towns.
Either way, time for the lefties and righties to bury the hatchet (again). Please.
Andy and GregD have quite clearly said that the combination of what he said and where he said it is what makes the speech problematic. Not merely the location.
But you (and I mean you guys generally, not you specifically) can't have it both ways: you can't argue that the location of the speech is the proof that we're dealing with racism, and then argue that the location really isn't significant.
Who said the location wasn't relevant? The question of whether the speech was in Philadelphia, or in an unincorporated area 6 miles from Philadelphia, is clearly irrelevant.
I just checked a minute ago, and the logo up at the top still says "Baseball for the Thinking Fan", not "Politics for the Unhinged Political Partisan".
This is pretty rich coming from you.
I'll bet the obsessives who bring this stuff up over and over again here have accounts on DemocraticUnderground.com, and the Daily Kos, which is really where this garbage belongs.
It really wasn't irrelevant to the conversation at hand, once that conversation passed from Katrina to the Roberts confirmation hearing.
Guideline to comparing this with the events further east:
Galveston = Gulfport/Biloxi, only with a 17' high seawall in front of its central area. Is that high enough? It was high enough for Carla, but hasn't really been tested since.
The analogue to New Orleans is the Houston Ship Channel industrial area and some of the neigborhoods and suburbs nearby on the east side of Houston. Many years of unrestricted groundwater pumping have caused substantial subsidence these neigborhoods, and some of them are now a little below sea level. Think of Galveston Bay as playing the same role as Lake Ponchartrain. The worst case would be the exposure of the bay to the right side of the eyewall, with E/SE winds.
Most of the Houston metropolitan area, including the downtown area, is far enough inland and far enough above sea level to be out of the reach of storm surge. As Andrew proved in Florida, winds alone can do plenty of damage if they're strong enough, but storm surge is the worst cause of death and destruction.
If the storm hits further west, it might just track over the site of Indianola. This, the port city of the 1840's German colonists of central Texas, vanished from the earth in a hurricane in 1886.
The NHS estimates that the 1886 Indianola storm was a category 4. They also estimate both the killer 1900 Galveston storm and the 1915 Galveston storm as category 4.
what's the record low for milibars?
And for people everywhere else in the country...fill your gas tanks up ASAP.
Hardly anyone actually reads those books. Foundations often buy them up to inflate their sales numbers.
Crap, $5/gallon gas. Not to mention an expensive home heating season. I'll make sure I'm well stocked on sweaters.
I somehow managed to price several thousand dollars worth of books between posts today, as well as sell about $500 worth. So it was a slow day for me and my one employee, I'll admit.
But I've actually made a pretty good living selling used books for the past 21 years, believe it or not, possibly in part because I know that books by people like Coulter and Goldberg (and Clinton and Clinton---I'm not trying to make a political point here) are in demand for about two weeks after the initial rush (which all goes to the new book stores, anyway), after which it's remainderland. And if you think I'm making this up, check out any remainder outlet and you'll see books like that piled to the ceiling for $5.98 max. They're all shlock, sold only to fanboys and fangirls.
I'll sell 50 books by Hayek a lot faster than 50 books by Coulter, and 50 books by Fred Lieb a lot faster than 50 books by Reagan, Bush, his father, and the whole Kennedy and Clinton families put together. You don't last long in used books by pandering to the sort of idiots who only read the sort of books that reinforce their prejudices. And I've got 21 years worth of experience to back that little rant.
BTW, here's the most certain way on earth you can identify within 10 seconds the sort of person who will never buy a book:
They walk into your store, and announce in a voice loud enough to be heard over the Grand Canyon: "I JUST LOVE OLD BOOKS!"
Never sold a book yet to a one of them.
David, I'll address you when I get back.
Within that link, you can see various graphics for different flood scenarios.
In the Atlantic, 888 by Gilbert in 1988. Hit the Texas coast, but not nearly at 888 Mb strength. I Think it hit Jamacia at nearly that strength. I'm sure there have been stronger typhoons in the Pacific.
I remember Gilbert. I was stationed in Enid OK at the time, a good 500 miles or more from the coast, and we nearly evacuated the airplanes to prevent damage.
Live footage on Fox.
I can't believe the Fed raised interest rates at the same time this was about to happen.
I can't believe you just said that. I was about to type the exact same thing.
From the NHS's F.A.Q.: 870 mb, Typhoon Tip, Northwest Pacific, 12 Oct. 1979. On the other hand, it appears that Northwest Pacific typhoons have lower central pressures for the same wind speed than do North Atlantic storms. The North Atlantic record is (estimated/extrapolated from flight-level data) 888 mb, Hurricane Gilbert, Sept. 1988.
The lowest pressure measured on land in North America was 892 mb in the Labor Day hurricane of 1935 in the Florida Keys. #2 at landfall was Camille at 909 mb, with Andrew #3 at 922 mb. I don't know what Katrina's central pressure was at landfall; out in the open Gulf, it got down to 902 mb.
Reality t.v.
I'm disturbed that you understand what this feels like. ;-)
Best Regards
John
You are sick and depraved.
Best Regards
John
Maybe Kayne West would rap about how George Bush doesn't care about George Bush.
You admitted your geekiness by posting on Primer.
Why did they design an airplane so it can't dump fuel? Thats seems pretty stupid to me.
I hate flying in airbuses. I used to fly the A320 ALOT when I lived in asia. I never felt safe in them for some reason. The seemed to "rock back and forth" alot more when making turns and landing. And of course there are only two engines. I like those 747's ALOT better for the 2 extra engines alone.
(They can actully keep one of those things in the air with only one engine.)
I don't think West and the Dixie Chicks are going to sing at the "Concert for Crawford."
Great landing. 5 million attaboys for that pilot.
According to Atwater's biography, Bad Boy by John Brady, Atwater was the Campaign Manager for the South Carolina primary and then Regional Political Director for Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama and West Virginia for the general election. Basically, that meant he traveled around those states helping organize the local campaign people. Atwater later claimed that he was responsible for organizing Reagan's southern strategy, which was a complete lie. Atwater wasn't a national decision-maker with Reagan's campaign in 1980, and had absolutely nothing to do with Mississippi. William Casey (later head of the CIA) was Reagan's campaign director.
What a relief. How did he keep that plane so straight?
The mayor was even there to greet him afterwards or else have a front row seat for a disaster whichever way it played out. Fortunately it was just a greeting.
WHAT PLANE DOESN"T DUMP GAS?
Eurotrash.
I hope we end up with pointless and stupid partisan accusations, because it will mean the response was much better. I have no doubt FEMA will be doing their best to coordinate their resources and save people in trouble this time, not because it's Texas or they're dealing with more white people, but because they took such a horrible publicity hit for their conduct a few weeks ago and their mistakes are still very fresh in everyone's mind.
What worries me is that they might not have enough resources to handle another disaster. Stories from Mississippi suggest that FEMA still doesn't have their act together with the aid they're already giving. Mobilizing the military from the outset for Rita is a positive sign.
What are the odds this thing blows itself out over the ocean?
Wow. These storms are bananas.
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It's God/Mother Nature/Tennessee Tuxedo's way of getting the hurricane thread back on-topic to hurricanes.
:P
I also had a very weird thought, but I bet I am not the only one. New Orleans is already destroyed. Wouldn't it be better if this thing just headed there, instead of destroying the rest of the gulf coast?
Among other things, after Katrina, hitting the Texas refineries would be very, very bad - considering how few of them we have in the first place.
Of course, if G/MN/TT was a Brewers fan, that thing is making a beeline for Phil Garner in Houston.
Of course, if G/MN/TT was a Brewers fan, '1992' wouldn't be etched into the brain of every Brewers fan.
Houston Chronicle:
Minute Maid's roof secured
Anticipating Hurricane Rita, Astros engineers on Wednesday morning secured Minute Maid Park's retractable roof to the special tie-down position built into the 5-year-old stadium.
Although Minute Maid Park and its roof were built under hurricane guidelines to sustain 100 mph wind, Astros general manager Tim Purpura has started making phone calls to see if another stadium is available in case the Astros can't play at home during their season-ending four-game series that starts Sept. 29 against the Cubs.
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Because the playing diamond is 27 feet below street level, sandbags have been placed around certain parts of the stadium and adjoining Union Station.
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I'll take that bet!
I've opened a new thread for Hurricane Rita discussion.
Also Scientologists. I heard a story from a buddy about a bunch of L. Ron Hubbard's 'bestsellers' that were sold in bulk, and then shipped back to the store on re-order with their price tags still attached.
Hurricanes aren't like snowballs. For a storm to maintain that magnitude, everything has to be completely perfect. I'm going to go ahead and assume the water temperature in the gulf won't be an issue, but the winds in the tropopause will have to remain at ideal velocities to keep the storm at a Cat 5 level.
That is why Cat 5 storms are so rare. It takes time to build to that strength, and its very hard to maintain that level. It is so far above and beyond normal weather. Odds are that the storm will weaken slightly when all the variables aren't perfect. Its regression to the mean. There are a bunch of baseball analogies to be made in this situation.
Remember how completely wiped out Coastal Mississippi was? Whole towns reduced to rubble? That's what the hurricane did. All those buildings that ended up underwater in New Orleans were still standing. They had roofs still, they survived the wind just fine. A bunch of windows blew out of the high rises in downtown NOLA, but nothing like entire casino barges getting picked up and tossed across I-10.
Yes, yes, I know the flooding was directly due to the hurricane, yada, yada. And apparently there are some regions of Galveston Bay which may be flooded, but nothing like on the scale of NOLA.
The good news is, the TX-LA border area isn't as susceptible to the types of storm surges you get in MS/AL because of the topographical differences on the ocean floor. Galveston Island could erode completely away, though, with a direct enough hit; that would be clinically interesting...
Best Regards
John
Best Regards
John
Sure.
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