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Friday, August 31, 2018

Andrew McCutchen deal comes amid questions about Aaron Judge

As Judge continues to recover from a chip fracture in his right wrist, the Yankees have agreed to a trade with the San Francisco Giants for McCutchen, a source told ESPN’s Buster Olney. McCutchen, a 31-year-old, five-time All-Star outfielder, will bolster the Yankees’ offense and defense until their big power-hitting, hard-throwing, 26-year-old right fielder can come back.

And when that will be remains anybody’s guess.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:10 AM | 47 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5736908)
when? March 2019
   2. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5736913)
until their big power-hitting, hard-throwing, 26-year-old right fielder can come back.

And when that will be remains anybody’s guess.


Have the Yanks been using the Mets medical staff? 5 weeks and counting is a long time.
   3. Lassus Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5736919)
Maybe this is not a thing, but I would have put a lot more than five years between McCutchen and Judge.
   4. rconn23 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5736920)
Cutch should fit in nicely in the No. 2 slot in the lineup. My 1-9 would be Hicks, Cutch, Stanton, Torres, Andujar, Sanchez, Didi, Voit, and Gardner. It would be nice to have a functioning first baseman, but the Yankees just have to hope that Voit can continue to catch lightning in a bottle a la Shane Spencer. There is no replacing Judge, who is one of the 10 best players in baseball, but if Sanchez can return to form, that's still a lineup that can make a deep run in the playoffs.
   5. Darren Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:57 AM (#5736936)
Cutch is such a fun, awesome player. Sad that I'll have to root against him. Looked like he had turned it around last year, but it now looks like he's settled in as an okay to average player. Hope he doesn't pull a David Justice here and just go berzerk.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5736938)
Maybe this is not a thing, but I would have put a lot more than five years between McCutchen and Judge.


No kidding.

Here's a toughie: will Aaron Judge be a better 31-year old baseball player than McCutchen is today?
   7. McCoy Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5736948)
Andrew got old fast.
   8. rconn23 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5736951)
"Here's a toughie: will Aaron Judge be a better 31-year old baseball player than McCutchen is today?"

Judge seems like a safe bet to me. Andrew falling off a cliff from elite to average at 29 was odd and rare. Judge at 31, will still be able to hit 35-40 bombs.
   9. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5736952)
Did he really? The shape of his career doesn't look that unusual. He's still a pretty solid ballplayer, not the MVP he once was but he's still productive enough. He's actually been better the last couple of years than I realized. The biggest issue for him is that his defense has gone from OK to terrible it seems like.
   10. Darren Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5736954)
Judge seems like a safe bet to me.


McCutchen seemed like a safe bet to me. :)
   11. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5736955)
The biggest issue for him is that his defense has gone from OK to terrible it seems like.

His defense for a center fielder went from ok to horrible. He is back to being ok for a right fielder now.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5736956)
Judge isn't going to come anywhere close to 35-40 bombs when he's 26. I'm not sure why you'd assume he'll be able to do so at 31.
   13. rconn23 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5736957)
"He's actually been better the last couple of years than I realized. The biggest issue for him is that his defense has gone from OK to terrible it seems like."

Yeah, he was very good just last year. His defense is woeful, but the Yankees have been running out Shane Robinson - who should not be in anyone's lineup - and Neil Walker, who has been hitting much better lately but has no business playing the outfield.
   14. rconn23 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5736958)
"Judge isn't going to come anywhere close to 35-40 bombs when he's 26. I'm not sure why you'd assume he'll be able to do so at 31."

Well, if he gets hit with a pitch that gives him a chip fracture every year, then I'm sure you will be correct.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5736960)
Judge moves so well at his size, but it's very easy to imagine him being a DH-quality defender in five years.
   16. aberg Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5736961)
Weren't there always questions about the defensive metrics for Pittsburgh's OF? When they were playing with Marte, McCutchen, and Polanco, the defensive numbers indicated that McCutchen was godawful and Marte was otherworldly in a corner. I seem to recall lots of people suggesting that there was some sort of bug in their positioning or how they played balls in the gaps that made McCutchen look much worse than he was. The fact that he rebounded to decent immediately after leaving Pittsburgh echoes that notion.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5736962)
Not sure, but I'm not surprised to see that Cutch has had a solid year in RF so far. He seems too young and too athletic and too naturally skilled to have legitimately gone from "good" to "horrifying" so quickly.
   18. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5736971)
Well, if he gets hit with a pitch that gives him a chip fracture every year, then I'm sure you will be correct.


It may be part of the league's plan to enforce parity.
   19. bobm Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5736979)
Andrew falling off a cliff from elite to average at 29 was odd and rare.

Like Matt Kemp, offensively
   20. bfan Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5737004)
It may be part of the league's plan to enforce parity.


It certainly is the Marlins plan, when pitching to excellent young hitters.
   21. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5737005)
Maybe this is not a thing, but I would have put a lot more than five years between McCutchen and Judge.
I think this is because Judge arrived seemingly like a bolt from the blue with that monster season...but he was already 25 which I think is fairly unusual. Feels like he should be 2 or 3 years younger than that because of when and how loudly he arrived.

I mean he's only ~8 months younger than Trout.
   22. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5737008)
I don't care if McCutchen hits .400, or if he hits a grand slam off Chris Sale and kiboshes the Red Sox postseason, or even if he lines a shot off Clayton Kerhaw's ego that reduces him to the second coming of Javier Vasquez. He can do all that and more, but I'm never, ever going to think of him as "Cutch".
   23. Baldrick Posted: August 31, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5737015)
Like any good thinking person, I've always liked McCutchen. It's a shame I now have to root for him to fail.
   24. stanmvp48 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5737033)
So what did the Giants get for him? More or less than they gave up to Pittsburgh to get him in the first place
   25. rconn23 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:24 PM (#5737043)
"So what did the Giants get for him? More or less than they gave up to Pittsburgh to get him in the first place."

Not much. Abital Avelino, an infielder who is somewhere around the Yankees 25-35th best prospect and a lower level 20-year old pitcher.
   26. Count Vorror Rairol Mencoon (CoB) Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5737045)
Here's the relevant bits from Mike Axisa's write-up on the trade from RAB:


It’s a done deal. The trade has been announced. The Yankees get McCutchen for infielder Abi Avelino and righty Juan De Paula. Also, Jon Heyman says San Francisco will pay half the $2.4M owed to McCutchen the rest of the season. He’s a rental and because the trade went down before tonight’s 11:59pm ET deadline, McCutchen will be postseason eligible.

DePaula, a soon-to-be 21-year-old, came over from the Mariners in the Ben Gamel trade and has a 1.71 ERA (3.44 FIP) with 23.4% strikeouts and 13.2% walks in 47.1 innings with Short Season Staten Island this year while repeating the level. MLB.com ranks De Paula as the team’s No. 26 prospect — he wasn’t in my most recent top 30 list — and he will be Rule 5 Draft eligible after the season.

...

Avelino, 23, did not rank among my most recent top 30 Yankees prospects but he would’ve cracked a top 50. MLB.com ranks him as the 23rd best prospect in the system. Avelino is hitting .287/.333/.446 (116 wRC+) with 15 home runs in 122 games this season, though he’s been much better in Double-A (162 wRC+) than Triple-A (83 wRC+). He’ll be a minor league free agent after the season and wasn’t a good bet to land a 40-man roster spo


Link
   27. Ziggy's screen name Posted: August 31, 2018 at 04:15 PM (#5737056)
If that's the deal why do they bother with the players? I mean, I doubt anyone is going to take DePaula in the Rule V (21 year olds in low A ball with fair strike out numbers and control problems are just not guys you put on your major league roster), but the odds that he's got a future with SF are pretty much zero, right? Avelino looks vaguely prospecty in a "future bench player" sort of way (assuming he's got a decent glove), but if he's a minor league FA at the end of the year there's no point in picking someone like that up for the last couple months of the season.

I can't recall a team just giving a player to another team. Could the Giants have just sent McCutchen and $1.2MM to the Yankees for nothing? That way at least Avelino doesn't have to find someone to sublet his apartment, and someone else on his new team to crash with for a few weeks.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: August 31, 2018 at 05:00 PM (#5737067)
Avelino looks vaguely prospecty in a "future bench player" sort of way (assuming he's got a decent glove), but if he's a minor league FA at the end of the year there's no point in picking someone like that up for the last couple months of the season.


Yeah I wonder if they even ask Avelino to show up to the AAA team that presumably has like 5 games left. Probably not worth the expense of the plane ticket, lettering a new jersey etc.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 31, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5737074)
McCutchen should help a bit, but the Yankees probably need Judge, Sanchez, Gregorius & Chapman to all be healthy and shake off the rust to have much chance in the playoffs. They'd be a formidable opponent if everyone's OK, but time for that is beginning to get scarce.
   30. Rally Posted: August 31, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5737081)
If they don’t want him to be a minor league free agent all they have to do is call him up and put him on the 40
   31. drdr Posted: September 01, 2018 at 03:15 AM (#5737311)
I was really surprised when Yankees said that power hitter with wrist fracture will be on field in 3 weeks. I think they may want to change their bone specialist (think Tex and Bird). Without complications, he should be back around mid-September, I hope. Although, with wrist injury, he is unlikely to regain full power before second part of next year or even before 2020.

Avelino is someone who, with a bit of development, may replace Torreyes on the roster. In Yankees system, he is about 5th backup MI on a depth chart. In less deep systems he should be worth a 40 men spot.
DePaula is one of a bunch of Yankees prospects who are a decent bet to be solid middle relievers in MLB, as far as non-elite prospects go. He is a lottery ticket, but not totally valueless.
SF got two players who have a chance to be cheap contributors to the back end of 25 men roster for a month of Cutch.
   32. Leroy Kincaid Posted: September 01, 2018 at 06:01 AM (#5737318)
I don't care if McCutchen hits .400, or if he hits a grand slam off Chris Sale and kiboshes the Red Sox postseason, or even if he lines a shot off Clayton Kerhaw's ego that reduces him to the second coming of Javier Vasquez. He can do all that and more, but I'm never, ever going to think of him as "Cutch".


If you're saying this because it's a stab-worthy nickname, I agree.
   33. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 01, 2018 at 07:20 AM (#5737324)
I don't care if McCutchen hits .400, or if he hits a grand slam off Chris Sale and kiboshes the Red Sox postseason, or even if he lines a shot off Clayton Kerhaw's ego that reduces him to the second coming of Javier Vasquez. He can do all that and more, but I'm never, ever going to think of him as "Cutch".

If you're saying this because it's a stab-worthy nickname, I agree.


That's exactly what I meant. It's the baseball equivalent of "Nova" or "The Hall" in college basketball, the sort of cringeworthy nicknames I'd associate with either Dick "DOOOOOOK" Vitale or Itchy and Scratchy's Poochie.
   34. PreservedFish Posted: September 01, 2018 at 08:42 AM (#5737332)
I'm surprised. It seems like a singularly natural and unremarkable nickname.
   35. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: September 01, 2018 at 09:32 AM (#5737339)
I can't recall a team just giving a player to another team. Could the Giants have just sent McCutchen and $1.2MM to the Yankees for nothing? That way at least Avelino doesn't have to find someone to sublet his apartment, and someone else on his new team to crash with for a few weeks.


They would essentially be selling McCutchen for $1.2M in that case, which isn't allowed (thanks, Charlie Finley). The players are just filler to make it look like a trade, yeah.

As for McCutchen's defense, it's possible it was never as bad as the numbers suggested in Pittsburgh. But his defense had gotten pretty bad by the eye test, too, and his relationship with the Pirates quickly went south from the point they told him they were moving him to a corner and making Marte the CF, so the Pirates themselves believed Marte was better.
   36. McCoy Posted: September 01, 2018 at 09:38 AM (#5737342)
They can sell players. It is just that over a certain amount they have to get league approval which has been given in the past.
   37. drdr Posted: September 02, 2018 at 02:33 AM (#5737587)
Any cash transaction over $1M has be approved by the league. In this case, though, Giants are not receiving the money but paying half of remaining wages, so they are not selling the player for money, they are saving more money than if they cut him.
Giving players is not possible, but many of the trades for "future considerations" or "PTBNL or cash" are for very small amounts, like $1. These are trades for MiLB lifers or waived players.

If Giants traded for Avelino, it means they are putting him on 40-men. I don't know their roster situation, but he could be their MI backup as soon as next season.
   38. McCoy Posted: September 02, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5737604)
Sending money to pay for the contract still has to get approval.
   39. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 02, 2018 at 11:30 AM (#5737622)
As nicknames go, Cutch > A-Mac.
   40. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 02, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5737623)
I'm surprised. It seems like a singularly natural and unremarkable nickname.
I'm puzzled by the reaction too. As just a chunk of the guy's actual name it's not the slightest bit imaginative but I can't imagine why it would bother anyone. (If it were "Cutchy" on the other hand I'd get the hate.)
   41. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 02, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5737644)
If it were "Cutchy" on the other hand I'd get the hate.

And then when he was traded the headlines would be "Pass the Cutchy to the Left Hand Side"
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: September 02, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5737651)
Hootchie Cutchy Man would be a bad nickname
   43. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 02, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5737652)
Nothing wrong with Cutch, even if it's an uninspired nickname. He'd be Cutchy if he played hockey.

"Nova" is a very organic nickname. It has been used colloquially since I was a kid, if not earlier, which makes it over a half-century old. Things like "The Hall", "The U" or "The OSU" seemed forced to my ears, but maybe they are organic in origin as well.

EDIT: Rephrased for clarity.
   44. Howie Menckel Posted: September 02, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5737659)
I accept "The U" and "THE Ohio State University" for what they are - as sub-conscious cries for help.

or a hug.

or both.

"look everyone, I am, too, important!"

there's some old fable about OSU that gets trotted out; not sure if Miami has any such yarn. but we're not falling for it
:)
   45. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 02, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5737661)
Nothing wrong with Cutch, even if it's an uninspired nickname. He'd be Cutchy if he played hockey.

"Nova" is a very organic nickname. It has been used colloquially since I was a kid, if not earlier, which makes it over a half-century old. Things like "The Hall", "The U" or "The OSU" seemed forced to my ears, but maybe they are organic in origin as well.


I don't care if they're organic or laced with DDT. They all just sound grating and way too obvious, more like corporate branding than anything else. In the case of McCutchen I would've preferred "Scotty", which would be along the lines of the 300 pound hit men who always seem to be named "Tiny".
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: September 02, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5737663)
I have mentioned that Yankees SS Gregorius's last name has been stricken from Yankees broadcasts and from WFAN host Mike Francesa. Like Pele or Madonna or Cher, it's just "Didi."

Brett Gardner has involuntarily has his name changed by them to "Gardy."
   47. JJ1986 Posted: September 02, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5737785)
The players are just filler to make it look like a trade, yeah.
This makes no sense. The cash transaction has to be approved whether players are included or not.

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