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Angels’ Mike Scioscia says he wants to keep managing

ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) — Mike Scioscia says he would like to keep managing next year.

The longtime skipper of the Los Angeles Angels has been widely expected to step down after the regular season concludes this week. His comments to KLAA-AM radio Monday night suggested he is open to returning for a 20th season in the Angels’ dugout, or perhaps a managing job elsewhere in baseball.

When asked directly if he wanted to keep managing, Scioscia said: “I’d like to.”

Somewhere, Mike Trout is getting the vague feeling that someone is really invested in making sure his talents are wasted…..

 

QLE Posted: September 25, 2018 at 09:12 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, manager, mike scioscia, not going away

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   1. JAHV Posted: September 25, 2018 at 11:34 AM (#5751326)
He's welcome to! I just don't think it's a great idea to stay in Anaheim.

That said, I don't know whom the Angels would get and how much of an upgrade he'll be over Scioscia.
   2. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 25, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5751547)
Scioscia is now 18th all-time in managerial wins, with ~1650. 10 managers ended up with 2,000 or more wins, and they are all in the HOF. If Scioscia wants to manage another five years, he'd probably end up in the HOF. At present, his record looks a lot like Dick Williams, though with one fewer championship.

The guy that is more interesting in this vein is Bruce Bochy. Bochy is 1925-1940 in his career. 11th all-time in wins, rught between Durocher and Stengal. Everybody ahead of him is in the HOF, but he is also one of only three managers in history with anything near this many games managed with a career losing record.

He also is one of only ten managers in history with three or more World Series titles - the other nine are already in the HOF. I presume he is likely already a HOF lock, but would the career losing record be a barrier to enshrinement?
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: September 25, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5751574)
He also is one of only ten managers in history with three or more World Series titles - the other nine are already in the HOF. I presume he is likely already a HOF lock, but would the career losing record be a barrier to enshrinement?


He also has a fourth pennant with a different team.

I don't think his career W-L will be an impediment. Nor should it be.
   4. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 25, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5751597)
Scioscia is only 59 years old so the rumors that he was retiring sounded like self serving leaks from the team. His recent history/results are a bit of a train wreck so it doesn't seem like he will have many, if any, opportunities right away. Maybe he takes a year or two off and makes a return to some team that needs to embrace "old school baseball" or something like that?

IMO, he has two big glaring problems:

1) He seemed to be a much better manager when he had Joe Maddon and Bud Black as assistants

2) He has been resistant to input/collaboration with the front office
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: September 25, 2018 at 02:15 PM (#5751604)
2) He has been resistant to input/collaboration with the front office


It wouldn't surprise me if this keeps him from ever getting another job.
   6. Rally Posted: September 25, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5751615)
He has been resistant to input/collaboration with the front office


This was more true when Dipoto was in charge than with Eppler. I haven't heard anything resembling conflict with the current GM.

As far as the last 4 years of underachieving teams, I can't really blame or defend Scioscia. I can't think of anything he's done to hurt the team, at the same time he hasn't worked any miracles to push the team into contention. I'm not here to defend him or to condemn him. Just feel the need to point out that him not working well with Dipoto is not a pattern, there's no indication that he had problems working with any other Angel GMs over the last 19 years.
   7. DL from MN Posted: September 25, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5751625)
Mets have an opening...
   8. Rusty Priske Posted: September 25, 2018 at 03:22 PM (#5751693)
So do the Blue Jays. (Or they are about to.)
   9. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 25, 2018 at 04:23 PM (#5751773)
This was more true when Dipoto was in charge than with Eppler. I haven't heard anything resembling conflict with the current GM.


Dipoto/Scioscia was openly hostile. Eppler/Scioscia seems cordial, but it doesn't quite seem collaborative. It feels more like: "we are stuck with each other and have to get along for awhile so we'll make the best of it".

As far as the last 4 years of underachieving teams, I can't really blame or defend Scioscia. I can't think of anything he's done to hurt the team, at the same time he hasn't worked any miracles to push the team into contention. I'm not here to defend him or to condemn him. Just feel the need to point out that him not working well with Dipoto is not a pattern, there's no indication that he had problems working with any other Angel GMs over the last 19 years.


It feels like he is 5 years past his expiration date. The back loaded 10 year contract extension was a bad idea and, in my opinion, is the only reason he survived the Dipoto fiasco. If he hadn't been owed that pile of money then possibly Dipoto wins the power struggle or, most likely, they both get axed.
   10. JAHV Posted: September 25, 2018 at 05:47 PM (#5751835)
It feels like he is 5 years past his expiration date. The back loaded 10 year contract extension was a bad idea and, in my opinion, is the only reason he survived the Dipoto fiasco. If he hadn't been owed that pile of money then possibly Dipoto wins the power struggle or, most likely, they both get axed.


I'm not sure this is totally right. From everything I've read and heard, Arte Moreno loves Scioscia, and is incredibly loyal to him. The pile of money played a factor, but it wasn't the whole thing. And that's why there's some speculation going around that Scioscia might actually come back - Moreno loves him that much.

Again, I'm mostly with Rally; I don't know that there's a ton of blame to be put on Scioscia for the Angels' failure over the last 9 seasons, but I also don't think he's been all that great, either. I do think this might be a case where a change of voice is warranted assuming two things: 1) That change of voice is at least as good a manager as Scioscia and 2) that letting Scioscia go won't jeopardize the chances of extending Trout.

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