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Thursday, June 16, 2011

Angels release Scott Kazmir

Not only did Kazmir lose considerable velocity on his fastball, which used to hit 94 mph, he lost command of all of his pitches. In one start, he threw three pitches behind the backs of right-handed hitters.

“I’m stunned, because I remember how good he was,” Angels pitcher Dan Haren said. “I think some of it was mental, because physically, he’s in great shape. The obvious thing is the drop in velocity, but with age, most pitchers lose velocity.

“It’s a matter of learning how to pitch with less. Whether it was him not accepting he doesn’t throw hard any more or still trying to figure out how to pitch at 88 mph, it never came together for him.”

So, how long until Alderson makes things right and takes a flyer on Kazmir?

Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: June 16, 2011 at 01:45 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. flournoy Posted: June 16, 2011 at 04:56 PM (#3854871)
Rick Peterson could fix him in ten minutes.
   2. Russ Posted: June 16, 2011 at 04:56 PM (#3854872)
So, how long until Alderson makes things right and takes a flyer on Kazmir?


Circle of Life, if you ask me. Still, someone who thinks they have a decent minor league pitching development team should take a flyer on Kazmir... send him down to Single-A and break him down and build him back up again.
   3. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 16, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3854915)
break him down and build him back up again.

Looks like Kazmir has taken care of the first part.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: June 16, 2011 at 05:51 PM (#3854916)
Are Brewers and Reds fans dreading a possible "Kazmir signs with Cards" development?
   5. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: June 16, 2011 at 05:51 PM (#3854917)
I wonder if the wildness is because Kazmir is putting too much into it, trying to make up for the lost velocity. Though that would suggest that he's actually throwing ~85 when he's not at maximum effort, and 85 with reasonable control isn't much of an improvement.
   6. Guapo Posted: June 16, 2011 at 05:52 PM (#3854920)
All I see turns to brown, as the sun burns the ground
And my eyes fill with sand, as I scan this wasted land
Tryin' to find....Tryin' to find where I've been
   7. hokieneer Posted: June 16, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3854930)
Are Brewers and Reds fans dreading a possible "Kazmir signs with Cards" development?

Yes. I fear the power of Dave Duncan's black magic.
   8. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: June 16, 2011 at 06:11 PM (#3854934)
Guapo Posted: June 16, 2011 at 01:52 PM (#3854920)

All I see turns to brown, as the sun burns the ground
And my eyes fill with sand, as I scan this wasted land
Tryin' to find....Tryin' to find where I've been


Nice to see a Led Zeppelin reference here. I thought they sold too many albums to get any Primate love.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: June 16, 2011 at 07:36 PM (#3854997)
Nice to see a Led Zeppelin reference here. I thought they sold too many albums to get any Primate love.

Well, let's be honest, they're no Avril Lavigne.

Right now Kazmir looks like the opposite outcome from Frank Tanana (it's always about him). He's got to develop a new style.
   10. scareduck Posted: June 16, 2011 at 07:50 PM (#3855016)
He's got to develop a new style.

Knuckleballer?
   11. Guapo Posted: June 16, 2011 at 08:21 PM (#3855049)
Nice to see a Led Zeppelin reference here


Every time I see a Kazmir headline I hear that opening riff, "DUH-DUH-DUH DUH-DUH-DUH DUH-DUH-DUH DUH-DUH-DUH" in my head.

Actually, I hear the same thing in my head every time I read a Murray Chass blog, but without the music.
   12. Steve Treder Posted: June 16, 2011 at 08:26 PM (#3855055)
Every time I see a Kazmir headline I hear that opening riff, "DUH-DUH-DUH DUH-DUH-DUH DUH-DUH-DUH DUH-DUH-DUH" in my head.

What time signature is that song, anyway? 6/3 or something bizarre like that?
   13. spike Posted: June 16, 2011 at 08:46 PM (#3855074)
Kashmir is in 4/4 it's just the funny solo phrasing that makes it sound off. Like Monk.

/the strings are playing in 3/4, drums in 2/4 (same as 4/4, just more marching band style - no swing)
   14. hokieneer Posted: June 16, 2011 at 08:53 PM (#3855081)
Just humming it from memory, probably 3/4 for Kazmir.
   15. Marcel Posted: June 16, 2011 at 09:04 PM (#3855099)
It would probably be written in 3/4 for the intro and verses because the strings are the main voicing. The drums are implying a 6/4 feel underneath the melody. Everything switches to 4/4 in the pre-chorus/chorus section.
   16. spike Posted: June 16, 2011 at 09:21 PM (#3855123)
http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtdVPE.asp?ppn=MN0048665

This sheet music calls it in 4/4
   17. phredbird Posted: June 16, 2011 at 09:27 PM (#3855131)
Are Brewers and Reds fans dreading a possible "Kazmir signs with Cards" development?

Yes. I fear the power of Dave Duncan's black magic.


*smacks lips*

jeez, we could really use him if duncan can fix him.
   18. Steve Treder Posted: June 16, 2011 at 09:43 PM (#3855146)
It would probably be written in 3/4 for the intro and verses because the strings are the main voicing. The drums are implying a 6/4 feel underneath the melody. Everything switches to 4/4 in the pre-chorus/chorus section.

Whatever, it's the furthest thing from your traditional pop-song sense.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: June 16, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3855177)
*smacks lips*

jeez, we could really use him if duncan can fix him.


He's a lefty, at the very least he has to be better than Tallet and Miller in the bullpen.
   20. BWV 1129 Posted: June 17, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3855336)
He's not better than anybody. The guy went on the DL for sucking, went back to old coaches, went on rehab ... and ended up worse than he was before going on the DL. It makes no sense, it's not logical, there's no reason for it. But it is what has happened. He's been Blassed.
   21. Mess with the Meat, you get the Wad! Posted: June 17, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3855461)
Id like to see the cubs take a flyer on him
   22. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 17, 2011 at 02:33 AM (#3855516)
He's a lefty, at the very least he has to be better than Tallet and Miller in the bullpen.


Id like to see the cubs take a flyer on him


He's not better than anybody. The guy went on the DL for sucking, went back to old coaches, went on rehab ... and ended up worse than he was before going on the DL. It makes no sense, it's not logical, there's no reason for it. But it is what has happened. He's been Blassed.


Small sample sizes, of course, but Kazmir has an ERA of 27.00, a FIP of 17.96, and an xFIP of 14.25 this year. All of those are worse than any pitcher for either the Cardinals or Cubs.
   23. Matt Welch Posted: June 17, 2011 at 02:42 AM (#3855537)
He has no velocity, no break on his curve/slider, and no idea where the ball is going. All of which have painfully obvious for a while now. I don't think it's fixable.
   24. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: June 17, 2011 at 11:24 PM (#3856375)
3/4, 4/4, whatever it takes.
   25. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 17, 2011 at 11:39 PM (#3856385)
Small sample sizes, of course, but Kazmir has an ERA of 27.00, a FIP of 17.96, and an xFIP of 14.25 this year.
Aside from six good starts after he got traded to the Angels in 2009, Kazmir's been awful for three years now. The numbers you post don't include the 17.02 ERA, 2.74 WHIP stint he posted in AAA before being released. He wasn't even getting guys out in spring training, pitching to no-chance minor leaguers.

He is done. One could understand taking a chance on him in 2009 — which the Angels did — but not now.

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