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Tuesday, April 23, 2013

Angels Stadium sports sparse crowd before first game of series with Rangers

Rangers fans still stung by Josh Hamilton’s off-season jab at Dallas-Fort Worth not being a “baseball town” might have been tickled to see a sparse crowd on hand at the start of the Rangers-Angels game in Anaheim on Monday.

SportsDay’s Evan Grant posted a Vine from the press box showing a sparsely populated Angels Stadium as the home team took the field. The lower bowl seemed about half full, while the upper deck was mostly empty.

Official attendance for the game was announced at 36,192.

Thanks to Chet.

Repoz Posted: April 23, 2013 at 05:32 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 23, 2013 at 07:59 AM (#4423026)
a sparse crowd on hand

Official attendance for the game was announced at 36,192.



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   2. depletion Posted: April 23, 2013 at 08:08 AM (#4423031)
Jeezus. Get over the guy will you! What is this, "Fatal Attraction"?
   3. BDC Posted: April 23, 2013 at 09:19 AM (#4423061)
Frankly, when the home team takes the field on a school night in Arlington these days, "sparse" would be a generous term for the crowd.
   4. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: April 23, 2013 at 10:08 AM (#4423114)
They should have their team taken away
   5. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 23, 2013 at 10:18 AM (#4423130)
36,192.
And that's with Joe Blanton as the listed starter.
   6. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 23, 2013 at 10:24 AM (#4423139)
36,192.


The only game with a larger attendance than that last night was a home game for the defending World Champs. This includes intradivisional games involving the Yankees and Rays, the Orioles and Blue Jays, the Indians and White Sox and a playoff rematch between the Cards and Nats.
   7. The Good Face Posted: April 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM (#4423157)
Jeezus. Get over the guy will you! What is this, "Fatal Attraction"?


I think most Rangers fans are in a good place with Hamilton's departure. The Dallas media on the other hand...
   8. Shredder Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:36 AM (#4423221)
Is there ever not a sparse crowd at the beginning of a game in Southern California? Or many places around the major leagues?
   9. bfan Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4423223)
Sold tickets indicate revenue booked for the team, but does a high tickets sold/poorly attended game really speak well for a fan base? If the upper-strata of people in LA are sufficiently comfortable to buy season tickets and go to the 50% of the games they buy, only going to what they want to see, does that make for a good fan base?

Obviuously, I am reacting to 36,000+ tickets sold, and the person's description of fannies in the seats, which sounded more loke a 20k crowd.
   10. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:44 AM (#4423231)
Is there ever not a sparse crowd at the beginning of a game in Southern California? Or many places around the major leagues?

Is there a single stadium in the Majors where at least 25% to 30% of the final crowd isn't seated by the time of the first pitch? I'd blame it on the 7:00 starting times and people who can't get off early from work, but I used to see it even more during Sunday afternoon games in Camden Yards, back when the O's were drawing 3,000,000+ fans a year. It's as if a big minority of the fans throughout baseball are on what used to be called "CP time".
   11. Gamingboy Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:51 AM (#4423242)
Jeez, can we stop this pissing match, Anaheim and Dallas/Arlington?
   12. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 23, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4423250)
I don't think Anaheim cares. As with all things, Southern California cares about Southern California and nobody else. If we're referenced at all by anyone else, we assume it is either with love or jealousy.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 23, 2013 at 01:04 PM (#4423328)
a sparse crowd on hand

Official attendance for the game was announced at 36,192.


To be fair, the "crowd on hand" is not the same as "official attendance."
   14. Dave Spiwak Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:03 PM (#4423444)
"We're the best fans in baseball!" -- Fan of Team
"They're the worst fans in baseball!" -- Fan of Rival Team
"That's a pretty decent attendance total, really." -- Fan of Non-Rival Team
"Sure, fans here usually come late to games -- but they have good reasons!" -- Reporter Covering Team
"Look at this poorly attended game -- our rival team's fans are better!" -- Reporter Covering Rival Team
   15. Halofan Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4423528)
The Rangers aren't a draw.
   16. Shredder Posted: April 23, 2013 at 02:59 PM (#4423532)
Sold tickets indicate revenue booked for the team, but does a high tickets sold/poorly attended game really speak well for a fan base?
Probably not, but there's no evidence that this was the case last night (obviously the paid attendance will by definition be more than the actual physical attendance, as long as they aren't letting people in without tickets). The attendance was sparse "as the home team took the field", which is to say, before a pitch was even thrown!
If the upper-strata of people in LA are sufficiently comfortable to buy season tickets and go to the 50% of the games they buy, only going to what they want to see, does that make for a good fan base?
Not everyone can make it to every game. Hell, I had a 27 game plan for the White Sox once and I'd be surprised if I made it to half of them.

Now that teams are bringing all of their ticket re-selling in house and fight with Stub-hub, it would be interesting to see a study on how many "tickets sold" actually end up in the hands of people at least intending at some point to go to the game. A team may have 36,000 tickets sold for a game, but if 10,000 of them end up on the secondary market and never get resold, then that would be somewhat interesting to know.
   17. Tripon Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:00 PM (#4423534)
Maybe I'm just being naive, but the 91 and the 5 seems to be extremely bottlenecked these days, especially around Anaheim. Crappy freeway traffic is always a consideration for me when I'm going somewhere.
   18. bigglou115 Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:03 PM (#4423543)
Now that teams are bringing all of their ticket re-selling in house and fight with Stub-hub, it would be interesting to see a study on how many "tickets sold" actually end up in the hands of people at least intending at some point to go to the game. A team may have 36,000 tickets sold for a game, but if 10,000 of them end up on the secondary market and never get resold, then that would be somewhat interesting to know.


I do wonder if this isn't the biggest unanticipated consequence of the Yankees and Angels refusal to go along with the stub hub deal. It seems like the end result will be fewer people actually showing up, with little to no difference in tickets sold by the club. The monetary value to the club doesn't change much, but it'll look really awkward to so many premium seats empty during sellouts.
   19. Tripon Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:11 PM (#4423556)

I do wonder if this isn't the biggest unanticipated consequence of the Yankees and Angels refusal to go along with the stub hub deal. It seems like the end result will be fewer people actually showing up, with little to no difference in tickets sold by the club. The monetary value to the club doesn't change much, but it'll look really awkward to so many premium seats empty during sellouts.


That and the inability to sell concessions, which might not affect teams directly since most teams license out concessions to an outside company. But it certainly doesn't make the company that is paying for the license happy. The declining concession sales at Dodger Stadium became (one of the many issues) with Frank McCourt's reign as Dodgers owner.
   20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4423557)

"We're the best fans in baseball!" -- Fan of Team
"They're the worst fans in baseball!" -- Fan of Rival Team
"That's a pretty decent attendance total, really." -- Fan of Non-Rival Team
"Sure, fans here usually come late to games -- but they have good reasons!" -- Reporter Covering Team
"Look at this poorly attended game -- our rival team's fans are better!" -- Reporter Covering Rival Team


Reminds me of the old Bill James quote to the effect that only in sports is the customer blamed for not buying the product.
   21. Tripon Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4423561)

Reminds me of the old Bill James quote to the effect that only in sports is the customer blamed for not buying the product.


That's not true. All forms of entertainment media blames the consumer for not buying their product. We're currently seeing it in video games, with publishers projecting unrealistic sales, and then blaming it on their customers for not buying it fast enough.
   22. BDC Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:17 PM (#4423564)
A team may have 36,000 tickets sold for a game, but if 10,000 of them end up on the secondary market and never get resold, then that would be somewhat interesting to know

Indeed – among other things, interesting to know how the folks who buy those 10,000 tickets expect to make any money on the deal. If it's a matter of eating five or six tickets to Astros/Royals/Mariners so that you can sell a Yankees or Red Sox ticket and make up more than the deficit, then it's logical, but how far can you string that? What's the risk/reward ratio or break-even point?

I only buy tickets to games I know I can go to, and I haven't missed one of those in years; I've never resold a ticket. But then again, it makes no earthly difference to me what visiting team I see, and I'm addicted to going to the ballpark. I don't know if the clubs like people like me or not. I sure don't buy many $26 hotdogs or $34.95 hats.
   23. BDC Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4423571)
That and the inability to sell concessions

But as many people will still show up for a game as, well, want to show up for a game. In fact StubHub and the like make it easier to meet "true" demand: I doubt there are many cases nowadays of people showing up to buy day-of-game tickets and being turned away while pre-sold seats go empty – if that ever was a problem anywhere.
   24. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:24 PM (#4423581)
Reminds me of the old Bill James quote to the effect that only in sports is the customer blamed for not buying the product.


That's not true. All forms of entertainment media blames the consumer for not buying their product. We're currently seeing it in video games, with publishers projecting unrealistic sales, and then blaming it on their customers for not buying it fast enough.

Book publishers and book dealers have been blaming the non-buying public since time immemorial, and for the most part they're right.
   25. Shredder Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4423587)
It seems like the end result will be fewer people actually showing up, with little to no difference in tickets sold by the club.
I don't know that I agree with that. I don't think Stub-hub vs. Team has anything to do with it really, though it may re-level the playing field. But think about today compared to 20 years ago. I used to get a partial season ticket package for the LA Kings (10-12 games), which is about how many games I wanted to go to in a given season. If I still lived in LA, that's probably still the number of games I'd like to see. But 20 years ago, before everyone and everything was on the internet, it must have been tougher to get rid of tickets if you were a season ticket holder. Now it's easy. I'd probably buy a season ticket package with the intent of re-selling 50%-75% of the tickets. Note that the increase in accessibility of the secondary market has somewhat coincided with the increase in "attendance" and revenue. I would venture to guess that teams these days sell a lot more tickets, even if a fair amount go unused, than they did 20 years ago precisely because someone can buy a slew of tickets well in advance, and decide at some later time whether they want to us them or sell them. But to the team, it doesn't really matter. They're sold either way. I mean, it matters for concessions and such, but I'm just talking about tickets sold and revenue therefrom.
I doubt there are many cases nowadays of people showing up to buy day-of-game tickets and being turned away while pre-sold seats go empty – if that ever was a problem anywhere.
This is another benefit of today's technology, if deployed properly. If I want to re-sell tickets through the team, since everything is barcode driven these days, can't teams re-sell my tickets to walk up customers? I would imagine that to be eligible, at some deadline I'd have to affirmatively acknowledge that I will not be using my tickets, at which point those bar codes are cancelled and new ones can be printed up on the spot to a walk up customer.
   26. Tripon Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:40 PM (#4423602)
This is another benefit of today's technology, if deployed properly. If I want to re-sell tickets through the team, since everything is barcode driven these days, can't teams re-sell my tickets to walk up customers? I would imagine that to be eligible, at some deadline I'd have to affirmatively acknowledge that I will not be using my tickets, at which point those bar codes are cancelled and new ones can be printed up on the spot to a walk up customer.


Does that mean you get a full refund on those tickets? Or just the 'resale' value of the ticket, or just a share of what the ticket sold for?
   27. Shredder Posted: April 23, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4423614)
Does that mean you get a full refund on those tickets? Or just the 'resale' value of the ticket, or just a share of what the ticket sold for?
I would assume it's the latter, a share of what the ticket it sold for. I don't know that teams actually do this, but I can't see why they wouldn't. I wouldn't see an issue with the team saying "put your tickets up for resale via our site at whatever price you wish (subject to maybe some limitations), and if they don't sell by game time, we reserve the right to sell them to walk up customers, and you will be compensated at 80% of face value".
   28. dr. scott Posted: April 23, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4423761)
I doubt there are many cases nowadays of people showing up to buy day-of-game tickets and being turned away while pre-sold seats go empty – if that ever was a problem anywhere.


This happens all the time at AT&T park. its a sellout, so you cant buy more tickets at the stadium, but there are 500-2000 tickets left of stubhub. I dont think the Giants are trying to resell those directly yet, or if they are Im not aware of it. all I know is that for weekday games, while Im coming back into the city on the caltrain, I can buy tickets for 10-15 dollars field level, or first row top level behind the plate because there are so many season ticket holders using the secondary market for Giants games.

the other thing I like is that when I get to the game, I tell them that I bought tickets on stubhub but could not print them out, and I hand them my drivers license and they give me my tickets... its impressive.

for A's games, the secondary market is weird. So far this season its always cheaper to buy them from the team, as there are only 200-300 on stubhub, and they always seem to be 5-10$ more on stubhub.
   29. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 23, 2013 at 08:29 PM (#4423903)
a sparse crowd on hand
Official attendance for the game was announced at 36,192.


To be fair, the "crowd on hand" is not the same as "official attendance."


Dick Young on an AFL owner's announced attendance figure: "He must have been counting the eyes."
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: April 24, 2013 at 12:06 AM (#4424128)
but the 91 and the 5


I'll take, "what are 2 things I don't miss about Southern California for $200 Alex"
   31. Bhaakon Posted: April 24, 2013 at 12:08 AM (#4424129)
Book publishers and book dealers have been blaming the non-buying public since time immemorial, and for the most part they're right.


It's those filthy commie libraries just giving the product away.

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