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Saturday, August 13, 2011

Angry Aramis Ramirez fires back at Todd Hollandsworth

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Cubs third baseman Aramis Ramirez took exception to former teammate Todd Hollandsworth calling him out publicly Friday for lack of ­effort and for failing to be a positive influence on younger players, and he took his own shot in response.

...Ramirez, who has done some behind-the-scenes work with Castro in particular, was not happy.

‘‘One thing I got to say is I’ve never seen him in the clubhouse, so I don’t know how he comes up with that,’’ Ramirez said. ‘‘He should ask the young guys before he makes that kind of statement. Talk to Barney, talk to Castro, and see what they say. That’s all I’ve got to say.

‘‘Oh, and one [more] thing I’d like to say: I wouldn’t trade my career for his. I think I’ve got a way better career than he did.’’

For those keeping score at home.

OPS+ 113 - Ramirez
OPS+  97 - Hollandsworth

 

Repoz Posted: August 13, 2011 at 10:15 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: announcers, cubs, media

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   1. Russ Posted: August 13, 2011 at 12:20 PM (#3899184)
For those keeping score at home.

OPS+ 113 - Ramirez
OPS+ 97 - Hollandsworth


To be fair, there is no positional adjustment there. With positional adjustment and defense (which hurts Ramirez), BBR has Ramirez at 23.3 WAR and Hollandsworth at 6.5. So yeah, Aramis has had a much better career.
   2. jcnyc Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:05 PM (#3899197)
wrong thread.
   3. BDC Posted: August 13, 2011 at 01:32 PM (#3899206)
I thought Ramirez was the guy who'd hit 20 home runs in the past six weeks, or something. Odd time to start ripping him.
   4. Bruce Markusen Posted: August 13, 2011 at 04:17 PM (#3899268)
What does Hollandsworth's value as a ballplayer have to do with his ability to criticize a current ballplayer? Nothing. It is irrelevant to the story here.

I have no idea whether Hollandsworth is a good broadcaster; I've never heard him. But I have long heard talk that Ramirez is a "dog" who doesn't play hard. So this criticism is not exactly out of left field.
   5. SouthSideRyan Posted: August 13, 2011 at 05:16 PM (#3899282)
Ramirez's reputation as a dog originated in Pittsburgh while he played on a broken ####### ankle for an entire season.
   6. spike Posted: August 13, 2011 at 05:50 PM (#3899294)
What does Hollandsworth's value as a ballplayer have to do with his ability to criticize a current ballplayer?

H's criticism was that Ramirez was not "getting them [young players] to step up or play to a different level" From a guy who was notably unable to inspire himself step up, let alone the people around him, it rings pretty hollow.
   7. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 13, 2011 at 06:01 PM (#3899297)
Aramis isn't a hustle maniac but is no slacker
   8. Brian C won't explain his handle Posted: August 13, 2011 at 07:27 PM (#3899331)
Aramis isn't a hustle maniac but is no slacker

I think it just depends on how the word is defined. I have no idea what his work habits are outside of games, and he does seem to be playing through some nagging injury or another almost all the time despite his annual trips to the DL.

But it's very true that he frequently doesn't run out ground balls. He's absolutely not a threat to take an extra base on a ball in the gap. Defensively, he occasionally gives up early on balls he decides he can't get to, especially on balls to his left, and can look a little foolish (although he is reasonably agressive defensively most of the time). These aren't the greatest sins in the world, despite the occasional thundering by the Chicago media, but his reputation isn't completely unfounded.
   9. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 13, 2011 at 07:35 PM (#3899333)
I'm 148 years old, and I remember when the Cubs were relevant.
   10. bfan Posted: August 13, 2011 at 07:43 PM (#3899337)
This is a large market team in a great city with a great (or at least iconic) stadium, and a national following. The Cubs being chronically bad is more mystifying to me than the Mets being chronically bad.
   11. Bob Tufts Posted: August 13, 2011 at 08:47 PM (#3899349)
Hollandsworth appears to be heading for a replacement level broadcasting career.

What should an aspiring journalist do - go to the locker room regularly to interview players or be interviewed on a radio program to utter inanities about grit, hustle and leadership?
   12. BDC Posted: August 13, 2011 at 09:04 PM (#3899352)
The Cubs being chronically bad

I actually wouldn't say they're chronically bad, though they're certainly acutely bad this year. The NL Central has been a six-team division for 13 years, and the Cubs have won four division titles, more than their share, during that stretch. They had the best record in the league in 2008. Any brief bad stretch by the Cubs just gets amplified by their cosmic postseason hopelessness for the past 103 years.
   13. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 13, 2011 at 09:10 PM (#3899356)
‘‘Oh, and one [more] thing I’d like to say: I wouldn’t trade my career for his. I think I’ve got a way better career than he did.’’


Well, clearly Ramirez did his research.
   14. Tripon Posted: August 13, 2011 at 09:27 PM (#3899360)
If Todd Hollandsworth just tried more, he would have sucked less.
   15. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: August 13, 2011 at 09:44 PM (#3899367)
The NL Central has been a six-team division for 13 years, and the Cubs have won four division titles, more than their share, during that stretch.

Considering:

25 StLouis-StCharles-FarmingtonMO-IL CSA          2,878,255
26 Tampa
-StPetersburg-ClearwaterFL MSA              2,783,243
27 Pittsburgh
-New CastlePA CSA                        2,447,393
28 Cincinnati
-Middletown-WilmingtonOH-KY-IN CSA       2,172,191
29 Kansas City
-Overland Park-Kansas CityMO-KS CSA     2,104,853
30 Milwaukee
-Racine-WaukeshaWI CSA                    1,751,316 

I've gotta believe their share is more than four. And, hell, they've actually only won three.

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