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Friday, August 05, 2011

Angry Papi: David Ortiz seethes after ridiculous RBI reversal

Either get Krabbenhoft on the phone or have Bill James sit Papi down and explain RBI to him.

Despite a fantastic statistical season, the cranky side of David Ortiz surfaced again on Thursday night.

In a year that has seen the Boston Red Sox slugger battle pitchers from the Orioles and blame the media for being hit by the Yankees, Ortiz didn’t try to hide his emotions after Fenway Park’s official scorer removed a RBI that was Ortiz was initially given after an opposite-field single during Wednesday night’s game.

In fact, Ortiz was so angry about the reversal that he interrupted manager Terry Francona’s pregame press conference on Thursday with some loud expletives.

“I’m (blanking) (ticked),” Ortiz said.

Repoz Posted: August 05, 2011 at 04:48 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:23 PM (#3893419)
I have to say I thought it was an unusual decision. It's the type of play that can probably be scored an error but is not on 99.5% of all cases. To do so as an overturn and not as part of the initial call made it even more surprising. I think had the scorer left it alone no one would have said a word about it.
   2. Dale Sams Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3893421)
Ok...there's a lot of things at play here.

First, "Christ David. Seriously?" I actually think there's a good chance that Ortiz is joking. As if this was some kind of running joke between Ortiz and Francona. Something along the lines of "Choo better talk to that guy? I'm serious. I'm gonna rip his arms off."

Second, If Ortiz isn't joking...I always find it fascinating to discover what it is that managers actually *do*. I LOVE "The Yankee Years". So Tito (?) is the guy you go to if you have a problem with the scorer?

edit: After watching a few more times...I know Ortiz is a decent actor, but I'm weighing towards 'not kidding'.
   3. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:34 PM (#3893430)
Just Papi being Papi.
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:36 PM (#3893431)
Roid rage.
   5. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3893437)
Go manicure your beard some more, you fat ####### baby.
   6.   Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3893438)
He should have his ribbies taken away.
   7. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:46 PM (#3893446)
In fact, Ortiz was so angry about the reversal that he interrupted manager Terry Francona’s pregame press conference on Thursday with some loud expletives.

Look at me! Look at me! I'm not going to have another chance this year to supply HR Derby contestants with Powerade and kisses! So look at me here and now! Do it! Please!
   8. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 05, 2011 at 05:53 PM (#3893451)
Roid rage.

No... milkshake mania.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2011 at 07:01 PM (#3893510)
If he's seething, he should join the Cardinals, since according to other threads, the Cardinals are the only team to complain about anything. I wonder if he could play second base better than Theriot?
   10. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 05, 2011 at 07:09 PM (#3893517)
according to other threads, the Cardinals are the only team to complain about anything

I think you're misreading those threads just slightly -- the Cardinals are the only team to complain about everything.
   11. Into the Void Posted: August 05, 2011 at 07:34 PM (#3893538)
Can't fight the seether?
   12. Dale Sams Posted: August 05, 2011 at 08:16 PM (#3893566)
What's funny is Youk and Ortiz make me /facepalm regularly...Beckett and Papelbon usually make me laugh, but not once in 7 years have I heard Tito do or say anything that embarrassed me as a Red Sox fan. Everytime I hear LaRussa say something stupid, I think can you even imagine Tito saying that?
   13. asdf1234 Posted: August 05, 2011 at 08:29 PM (#3893573)
I think you're misreading those threads just slightly -- the Cardinals are the only team to complain about everything.


Thank God for the Internet, where right-thinking young men can set the record straight on when and where it's appropriate to complain.
   14. Darren Posted: August 05, 2011 at 09:33 PM (#3893614)
I don't think the Red Sox official scorers understand the meaning of "hometown call" that every other scorer in the universe seems to have. A couple years ago, it was a fly by Pedroia that Swisher misjudged and never touched--called an error. Then this year, there was a liner that shorthopped the visiting CF and went by him--single and error. And the Crawford steal where the 2b (or SS?) dropped the throw while applying the tag--ERROR??!!?? And now this.

It's nice to be as fair as you can about your job, but you should not have a completely different standard for what makes a hit/error/whatever than every scorer.
   15. Darren Posted: August 05, 2011 at 09:40 PM (#3893620)
FYI, here's he scorer's explanation:

So, I went back and reviewed the NESN tape. On their replay, sure enough, you could see Bogar throw up his hands to stop Youkilis until the ball was bobbled by Kearns, and then he waved him home. It was only an instant. He never really got his hands up all the way. But clearly, his intent was to stop Youkilis, even though there were two outs, until he saw the bobble.

"At that, I felt I could not give Ortiz two RBIs on that when the intent was to stop Youkilis at third.


He hands never went all the way up... but what the heck.

Watching the replay, no way is Kearns throwing home on that play. He's completely back on his heals and ready to throw to 2nd. What a lousy, and again, completely inconsistent with standards of official scoring, call.
   16. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 05, 2011 at 09:46 PM (#3893623)
A couple years ago, it was a fly by Pedroia that Swisher misjudged and never touched--called an error.


The Red Sox official scorer ruled that ball a base hit. Upon reviewing the tape, MLB determined that it was an error (it should have been scored an error at the time, though I don't think MLB should have overturned this one since it wasn't particularly egregious).

And whether the fielder touches the ball has no bearing on whether a play is a hit or an error.
   17. Darren Posted: August 05, 2011 at 09:57 PM (#3893628)
The Red Sox official scorer ruled that ball a base hit. Upon reviewing the tape, MLB determined that it was an error (it should have been scored an error at the time, though I don't think MLB should have overturned this one since it wasn't particularly egregious).


My mistake. I remember it being the official scorer making that call.

And whether the fielder touches the ball has no bearing on whether a play is a hit or an error.


That's nice to say, but in practice, it is THE most important factor. I've never, other than that play, seen an error called on a play where someone didn't touch the ball or have it go through his legs.
   18. ecwcat Posted: August 05, 2011 at 10:06 PM (#3893638)
Derek Jeter was charged an error in the infamous A-Rod/Jeter mishap even though Jeter never touched it.
   19. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 05, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3893720)
Your mom is an error.
   20. Mattbert Posted: August 06, 2011 at 12:31 AM (#3893830)
Derek Jeter was charged an error in the infamous A-Rod/Jeter mishap even though Jeter never touched it.

Yeah, but he yelled "MINE!".
   21. ptodd Posted: August 06, 2011 at 07:19 AM (#3894117)
Papi having a bit of Roid Rage I guess.

Derek Jeter was charged an error in the infamous A-Rod/Jeter mishap even though Jeter never touched it.


The official scorer made up for that by not charging him with an error on Crawfords GB. The prirority is to help Crawfords abysmal OPS.
   22. tfbg9 Posted: August 06, 2011 at 05:27 PM (#3894279)
It would seem Ortiz was pulling our legs...
   23. Darren Posted: August 09, 2011 at 03:06 AM (#3896046)
In tonight's game, Crawford was not charged with an error on a flyball that he had to reach up for. Then Saltalamacchia got an error when he dropped a ball while trying to make a tag. These things are really inconsistent.

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