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Thursday, January 10, 2013

Another trailer for “42” is out

Hopefully this works:

Gamingboy Posted: January 10, 2013 at 05:40 PM | 85 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: 42, brooklyn dodgers, jackie robinson, movie, movies, trailer

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   1. Flynn Posted: January 10, 2013 at 05:57 PM (#4344498)
I started it going meh and was excited by the end. It's the little things like getting a guy to play Ben Chapman who looks like Ben Chapman (and a guy who seems to be able to affect a realistic Leo Durocher) that gives me hope these guys aren't going to screw this up. Plus the ballpark CGI seems pretty awesome.

It's too bad Chadwick Boseman doesn't seem able to capture Robinson's unique voice. Though I guess we can't all be Daniel Day-Lewis.
   2. jobu Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:43 PM (#4344536)
I got chills watching this; the trailer, at least, is great. Fingers crossed they don't screw it up, first and foremost. Secondarily, I hope it won't be too many years before my kids can see this.
   3. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:48 PM (#4344541)
I don't know. It's a tough story to do well, and a tough guy to fully pay tribute to without even shoe-horning invented scenes in to provide the typical hollywood story.

The clip seems exciting, but I worry it will end up being a preachy, inaccurate, bore.

To do a great Jackie Robinson story, given that most americans should be familiar with the man and his history, you have to dig deep into his life and find events and an angle that will surprise and enlighten audiences, and that give back some of the dramatic tension sapped away from the inevitable end.

If they ended up playing fast and loose with history, I'd rather they did a period baseball piece with a Jackie Robinson like character, where the story won't be constrained by history, and can be more interesting and surprising, as long as it does a good job of evoking the real players and real events of the time, even if it takes a wildly inventive dramatic twist.
   4. Gamingboy Posted: January 10, 2013 at 06:50 PM (#4344545)
That's Alan Tudyk playing Ben Chapman. Which is weird because I always thought he'd be a good Curt Schilling (from certain angles, the resemblance is uncanny). Christopher Meloni is Durocher.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 10, 2013 at 07:21 PM (#4344562)
If they ended up playing fast and loose with history, I'd rather they did a period baseball piece with a Jackie Robinson like character, where the story won't be constrained by history, and can be more interesting and surprising,

Unfortunately what we'd be likely to end up with is Jackie Robinson: Vampire Hunter.
   6. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 10, 2013 at 07:33 PM (#4344572)
Unfortunately what we'd be likely to end up with is Jackie Robinson: Vampire Hunter.

I wouldn't put anything past Hollywood, but from the looks of the trailer it could go either way, and I'm actually somewhat optimistic. It would be a complete downer for the movie to invent even a single (public) scene, because there are so many hundreds of incidents that did happen to and around Robinson that you don't really need to invent anything beyond a bit of dialogue. His life speaks for itself, and the truth is that the more you learn about Jackie, the more you realize he's the most interesting and complex figure in baseball history. I just hope they don't blow it.
   7. Lassus Posted: January 10, 2013 at 07:51 PM (#4344583)
For one brief instant I thought that was Chiwetel Ejiofor.

I hope this is a good film.
   8. Bhaakon Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:05 PM (#4344600)
Unfortunately what we'd be likely to end up with is Jackie Robinson: Vampire Hunter.


The X-File pretty much did that already. IIRC, it was a decent episode.
   9. jobu Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:18 PM (#4344613)
The X-File pretty much did that already. IIRC, it was a decent episode.

Think you're talking about The Unnatural, with Jesse L. Martin as an alien Negro League baseball player.
   10. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:28 PM (#4344618)

Harrison Ford appears to pull off a better Branch Rickey than I would have expected (at least in the sense that he acts nothing like Harrison Ford).
   11. Esoteric Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:38 PM (#4344620)
Harrison Ford appears to pull off a better Branch Rickey than I would have expected (at least in the sense that he acts nothing like Harrison Ford).
Holy ####, that's Harrison Ford?!?!?

Wow, it is. Well, that's a tribute right there: I had NO IDEA it was Harrison Ford.
   12. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 08:53 PM (#4344630)
Unfortunately what we'd be likely to end up with is Jackie Robinson: Vampire Hunter.


Jefferson Twilight?
   13. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:26 PM (#4344644)
In other interesting cast choices, Red Barber is John C. McGinley, and Pee Wee Reese is played by Lucas Black (the young man from Sling Blade).
   14. Tim D Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:36 PM (#4344649)
As with most mainstream Hollywood films it will probably be a little light for the baseball aficianado. In the way Lincoln is light for a Lincoln historian. But a legitimate Robinson story with the appropriate period trappings and a pull no punches attitude toward the racism is long, long overdue. It can't possibly be anything but good. I can't wait.
   15. robinred Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4344651)
The guy playing Reese looked well-cast to me. Ford looked and sounded fine as Rickey--agreed, better than I expected. Meloni looks and sounds nothing like Durocher, who was a small guy, but presumably very few audience members will know or care about that. It appears that they got the setting for the Durocher confrontation scene from Durocher's book.

Also, Durocher, as most people here probably know, was suspended by Happy Chandler for the 1947 season, so Robinson's first full-season MLB manager was not Durocher, but Burt Shotton. Max Gail, whom some may remember as Wojo from Barney Miller, is listed as playing Shotton, and he looks less like Shotton than Meloni looks like Durocher. Joe Garagiola and Ralph Branca appear as characters in the movie, according to the IMDB page.
   16. Gamingboy Posted: January 10, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4344654)
I just like how we seem to be getting more baseball movies. There were a few years where we were getting basically none....
   17. AROM Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4344671)
Think you're talking about The Unnatural, with Jesse L. Martin as an alien Negro League baseball player.


That guy was supposed to be Gibson. He was even named Josh (Exley).

Unfortunately what we'd be likely to end up with is Jackie Robinson: Vampire Hunter.


Or Tarantino gets a hold of the story and does Jackie Unchained.

"Mr. Rickey, do you want a ballplayer who's afraid to fight back?"

"No. I don't want you to fight the white players. I want you to kill them"
   18. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM (#4344685)
I got chills watching this; the trailer, at least, is great.


I had the same reaction. The trailer gives me a lot of hope.

I disagree with KT in #3, I don't think you need to do a super in depth story here. The basics of the Jackie Robinson story deserve to be made into a fantastic movie. There is enough to it that you could make a TV series out of his life but I think a solid overview of Jackie's life would make an excellent movie. I suspect that once you get passed "first black player" the majority of people don't know much about the basic story. I'd bet the second thing about him people would think of is that he stole home in the World Series and after that they would draw a blank so I think hitting the high points is a worthy endeavor.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4344690)

I suspect that once you get passed "first black player" the majority of people don't know much about the basic story.

I think the further we get away from his actual life, more and more young people will not even know the "first black player" aspect.

I think it looks good, but I hope the hip hop music is only in the trailer and not in the actual movie (and I say this as a fan of hip hop).
   20. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM (#4344691)
a preachy, inaccurate, bore.


YOU RANG, MR. PRESIDENT?
   21. AndrewJ Posted: January 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM (#4344693)
Hmm, the trailer reminds me of The Express, the underwhelming biopic of Ernie Davis.
   22. Adam B. Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:07 AM (#4344721)
I just hope this guy plays a more credible Jackie Robinson than the guy who played him in THE JACKIE ROBINSON STORY (1950).
   23. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM (#4344725)
Yeah, that pigeontoed stiff even walked funny.
   24. Good cripple hitter Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:27 AM (#4344730)
Think you're talking about The Unnatural, with Jesse L. Martin as an alien Negro League baseball player.


I didn't remember that episode at all, so I just watched it. It had everything I loved about The X-Files:

MULDER: You seriously want me to believe that Josh Exley maybe one of the greatest ballplayers of all times, was an alien?

ARTHUR DALES: They're all aliens, Agent Mulder-- all the great ones.

MULDER: Babe Ruth was an alien?

ARTHUR DALES: Yeah.

MULDER: Joe DiMaggio?

ARTHUR DALES: Sure.

MULDER: Willie Mays?

ARTHUR DALES: Well, obviously.

MULDER: Mantle? Koufax? Gibson?

ARTHUR DALES: Bob or Kirk? See, none of the great ones fit in -- not in this world, not in any other world. They're all aliens, Mulder, until they step between the white chalk lines-- until they step on the outfield grass.

Mulder talking about the beauty of box scores was also great.
   25. Darren Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:35 AM (#4344734)
In half the scenes, I don't recognize Harrison Ford. In the other half, I immediately recognize him and think, "Ugh, get this mugging jerk off the screen." (I know this will not be a popular opinion.)

   26. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:43 AM (#4344738)
That was an oddly...I don't know, solemn trailer. Like something from the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy (which I liked, I hasten to add).
   27. ...and Toronto selects: Troy Tulowitzki Posted: January 11, 2013 at 02:30 AM (#4344780)
In half the scenes, I don't recognize Harrison Ford. In the other half, I immediately recognize him and think, "Ugh, get this mugging jerk off the screen." (I know this will not be a popular opinion.)

I watched the trailer earlier today and thought Ford's performance looks almost as good as his in Cowboys & Aliens.
   28. Joe Kehoskie Posted: January 11, 2013 at 04:15 AM (#4344804)
That was an oddly...I don't know, solemn trailer. Like something from the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy (which I liked, I hasten to add).

Same production company — Thomas Tull's Legendary Pictures. (Tull, incidentally, was rumored to have interest in buying the Padres last spring/summer.)

Anyway, that trailer looks great. Really looking forward to seeing this in April.
   29. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4344957)
I winced when I saw what I thought were obviously incorrect Pirates jerseys, but no, that's really the way they looked that year.

I watched the trailer earlier today and thought Ford's performance looks almost as good as his in Cowboys & Aliens.

I'm the only person I've ever met that really liked "Cowboys and Aliens". That's OK. Mine is a lonely journey.
   30. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4344960)
I'm the only person I've ever met that really liked "Cowboys and Aliens".


You aren't alone. It wasn't great or anything but I enjoyed it. As the reviewers might say it was an enjoyable romp through a fanciful experience. I set a low bar on movies though. It's tough for me to go out of my way to see a movie and leave not having enjoyed myself. Because of that when I do see a movie I dislike I get pretty bitter (and Keanu Reeves still owes me money for the abomination that was "Point Break").
   31. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 11, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4345006)
Because of that when I do see a movie I dislike I get pretty bitter (and Keanu Reeves still owes me money for the abomination that was "Point Break"


LOL, I have a high bar, and I gave Point Break the "fanciful experience" tie-breaker. Now I feel so ashamed.
   32. winnipegwhip Posted: January 11, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4345286)
#22.....

Good one.

   33. KingKaufman Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4345607)
I think the further we get away from his actual life, more and more young people will not even know the "first black player" aspect.


No. Jackie Robinson is taught in schools. He's one of the paper saints. Ask any kid about him and they'll say he was the first black baseball player.
   34. Lassus Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:23 PM (#4345608)
Because of that when I do see a movie I dislike I get pretty bitter (and Keanu Reeves still owes me money for the abomination that was "Point Break"

I throughly enjoyed Point Break, for which I paid a dollar in a second-run theater in Cathedral City. I also paid a dollar for Forrest Gump, which I'm still angry about.
   35. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4345610)
Point Break is a masterpiece. Vaya con dios.
   36. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4345612)
Point Break is a great film about male friendship, which happens to also be a hilarious film about surfing, football, fighting, bank robbery, skydiving, and Gary Busey.
   37. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:37 PM (#4345615)
I recommend Greg Proops' podcast/filmcast in which he analyzes it. Hilarious.
   38. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:44 PM (#4345626)
I also paid a dollar for Forrest Gump, which I'm still angry about.


I would have thought Gump was right in your wheelhouse.
   39. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:45 PM (#4345627)
Point Break is a great film about male friendship, which happens to also be a hilarious film about surfing, football, fighting, bank robbery, skydiving, and Gary Busey.


I agree with your entire post except the part I quoted.
   40. phatj Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4345634)
Point Break rules.

Looking forward to 42.
   41. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4345635)
I disagree with KT in #3, I don't think you need to do a super in depth story here. The basics of the Jackie Robinson story deserve to be made into a fantastic movie. There is enough to it that you could make a TV series out of his life but I think a solid overview of Jackie's life would make an excellent movie. I suspect that once you get passed "first black player" the majority of people don't know much about the basic story. I'd bet the second thing about him people would think of is that he stole home in the World Series and after that they would draw a blank so I think hitting the high points is a worthy endeavor.


I think I'd prefer a treatment that only nods at the high points while spending most of its time on the details of what Robinson's day to day life during his career was like. I don't know a lot those details and, 55 to 65 years after they happened, to most Americans those details might be both shocking and fresh.

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   42. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4345636)
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First.


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   43. robinred Posted: January 12, 2013 at 01:57 PM (#4345637)
Proops is a pretty funny guy.
   44. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 12, 2013 at 02:46 PM (#4345657)
I think I'd prefer a treatment that only nods at the high points while spending most of its time on the details of what Robinson's day to day life during his career was like. I don't know a lot those details and, 55 to 65 years after they happened, to most Americans those details might be both shocking and fresh.


That's true but I don't think you can do the minutiae without doing the basics. I think the folks here would enjoy the movie you'd describe but a big budget film aiming for a mass audience is going to be better hitting the high points and can also be a very good movie.
   45. puck Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:33 PM (#4345726)
To do a great Jackie Robinson story, given that most americans should be familiar with the man and his history, you have to dig deep into his life and find events and an angle that will surprise and enlighten audiences, and that give back some of the dramatic tension sapped away from the inevitable end.


Is the inevitable end when he campaigns for Nixon?
   46. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: January 12, 2013 at 05:59 PM (#4345737)
That's true but I don't think you can do the minutiae without doing the basics. I think the folks here would enjoy the movie you'd describe but a big budget film aiming for a mass audience is going to be better hitting the high points and can also be a very good movie.


Fair enough, but my concern with that approach is that it would end up like Ali, the solid but fundamentally dull biopic that was interesting primarily for how much Will Smith was able to submerge Will Smith and do a credible imitation of Ali. Robinson is less well known as a physical presence (who isn't?), so that might not be an issue. Still, it isn't going to be easy to get beyond the film's being an attractive re-creation of Jackie's Greatest Hits. And that'll probably be just fine. Maybe the best we can hope for is that it doesn't deify him, and shows the man, warts and all.

@45--really? Say it isn't so...
   47. Gamingboy Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:27 PM (#4345773)
@46 Yes, it was so (at least to a certain extent- it might have been more of a case of him thinking Kennedy was somebody who only talked the talk or something- depends on who you ask).

Now let's close this can of worms.
   48. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4345776)
Maybe the best we can hope for is that it doesn't deify him, and shows the man, warts and all.

I just want them to make it clear what a pain in the rear he could be as an opponent, even if you weren't a racist bastard.
   49. OsunaSakata Posted: January 12, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4345783)
Greg Proops played College Bowl at the same time I did. He made fun of my suit, which was kind of a New Wave suit jacket. He wore a black leather jacket. There were 24 teams the week of that championship tournament, so some of the players compiled and distributed alternate all-star teams of the participants - All-Short, All-Fat, All-Funny Names, etc. Greg and I were both named to the All Punk team.

What real life baseball story would you most like to see? I remember someone did an interesting treatment of a fictionalized-combined Rick Ankiel-Josh Hamilton story. I'd like to see the Sam Rice story.
   50. Greg K Posted: January 12, 2013 at 08:01 PM (#4345787)
What real life baseball story would you most like to see? I remember someone did an interesting treatment of a fictionalized-combined Rick Ankiel-Josh Hamilton story. I'd like to see the Sam Rice story.

Moe Berg seems like a good one. (Has there been a movie about him?)

Would the Brotherhood of Professional Baseball Players make for a good story?
   51. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 12, 2013 at 08:19 PM (#4345794)
Berg definitely.

Ed Delahanty has to be up there too though there is probably a lack of definitive evidence about his final hours to really do it right.

Rube Waddell would be another one that might be intriguing.
   52. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 12, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4345810)
I'd love to see a movie about the 1914 Braves.
Especially if they put in a LOT of period game detail, like having a barbershop quartet of Pittsburgh miners - still smeared with coal after coming from work - entertaining the crowd from home plate before the game.
   53. Poster Nutbag Posted: January 12, 2013 at 09:31 PM (#4345849)
EVERYONE should be tuning in to the Proopcast
   54. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM (#4345893)
I just want them to make it clear what a pain in the rear he could be as an opponent, even if you weren't a racist bastard.

Too bad Leo Durocher wasn't around to weigh in on that subject, because he could have given them an earfull. That was a hell of a pair to watch in action, whether in the same dugout or opposing ones.
   55. robinred Posted: January 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4345900)
Too bad Leo Durocher wasn't around to weigh in on that subject,


I expect the movie will focus mostly on the '47 season; the stuff with Durocher came later.
   56. Lassus Posted: January 12, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4345912)
Speaking of movies I finally saw the Amazing Spider-Man reboot. It was annoying.
   57. GregD Posted: January 12, 2013 at 10:59 PM (#4345913)
From what I know and from the way he talked about it in his memoir, Jackie's 1960 stance was pretty reasonable in the time he made his choices. Remember that Jackie was born in Georgia where Democrats were the disfranchisers and Republicans had at times been the party that blacks voted with (and at times been a party that rolled over and turn their back.) Martin Luther King Sr was vice chair (I think) of the Atlanta Republican Party.

California was different in that California Democrats actively wooed black voters successfully. Still Earl Warren dominated the state Republican Party until he went to DC, and he was about as liberal as you can get. New York's Republican Party was very liberal.

There were reasons for black people to be wary of Kennedy. He wasn't Adlai Stevenson or Hubert Humphrey, a warrior for civil rights. He picked a Southern redneck for VP (though of course this turned out differently than anyone expected!) Nixon's record on civil rights for blacks was solid (for pinkos, less so!)

By legend Martin Luther King Sr endorsed Nixon until Bobby Kennedy helped spring Martin Jr from jail.

After that Robinson turned bitterly against the Republican Party when it nominated Goldwater in 64. I think he was a Rockefeller guy but could be turned around. But he saw that as a turning point and walked away for that election.
   58. AJMcCringleberry Posted: January 12, 2013 at 11:07 PM (#4345919)
Saw the trailer for this in the theater today. I thought it looked good.

They also played two different trailers for Iron Man 3 for some reason.
   59. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 12, 2013 at 11:28 PM (#4345931)
What real life baseball story would you most like to see? I remember someone did an interesting treatment of a fictionalized-combined Rick Ankiel-Josh Hamilton story. I'd like to see the Sam Rice story.

I'd like to see a touching R-rated comedy about the exploits of Kirk Gibson and Dave Rozema, inspired by this article and other events such as the flying jump-kick of John Castino, the great career of Gibson and tough career of Rozema (including a stint in the short-lived Senior Professional Baseball League), the fact that as of 2003 Rozema was selling waste disposal services in the Detroit area (according to Wikipedia) while Gibson was on the Tigers bench in his first year as a coach on what turned out to be the worst team since the 1962 Mets, etc.
   60. Gamingboy Posted: January 12, 2013 at 11:41 PM (#4345942)
Moe Berg would make a great movie.
   61. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM (#4345988)
I expect the movie will focus mostly on the '47 season;

If true, it's too bad that it cuts it off then, since that was really only the beginning of the story. Beyond just the between the lines side, in about 1952 he got into a running feud with the Yankees over a comment he made on TV about their hiring policies, which got a lot of publicity in the media.

the stuff with Durocher came later.

Well, except for the part in Spring training when Durocher squashed a possible Dodger walkout. That and the Chapman incident were the two key turning points of his rookie season. And the subsequent blood feud between Robinson and Durocher after Durocher skipped over to the Giants was a perfect illusration of how ferociously competitive both of those two were. Once Leo got into a Giants uniform, he baited Jackie with the best of them, despite his unwavering respect for him, and Jackie returned the favor with both barrels.
   62. robinred Posted: January 13, 2013 at 02:24 AM (#4346010)
The walkout is shown in the trailer linked above, as I noted in a post. The various feuds etc. came later, and I don't think a mainstream metroplex audience would really be into Robinson and Durocher bench-jockeying each other in the early 50s or the Yankees' hiring policies. There probably will be a nod to or a graphic talking about the "Jackie Unmuzzled" of later years, but I am guessing the focus will be heavily on 1947.

Baseball movies I would like to see:

A made-for-cable flick about Jim Brosnan, focusing on 1959 and 1961, using excerpts from the books as voice-overs
A film adaptation of The Echoing Green

   63. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 02:32 AM (#4346011)
I think Ball Four would be perfect for an extended Cable series. A TV series in the '70s starring Bouton failed miserably. The time wasn't ripe; it is now. Although, I guess it would have to be fictionalized to some extent in order to avoid nuisance law suits.
   64. steagles Posted: January 13, 2013 at 02:50 AM (#4346017)
I think Ball Four would be perfect for an extended Cable series. A TV series in the '70s starring Bouton failed miserably. The time wasn't ripe; it is now. Although, I guess it would have to be fictionalized to some extent in order to avoid nuisance law suits.
and make sure ESPN doesn't get its hands on it, lest they do to it what they did to playmakers.
   65. Loren F. Posted: January 13, 2013 at 04:23 AM (#4346032)
Baseball movies I'd like to see:
1. I echo the call for a really well-done version of "Ball Four"
2. A movie about the 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings or similar film about the very early days of professional base-ball
3. A nonfiction version of "Moneyball"
   66. God Posted: January 13, 2013 at 08:11 AM (#4346046)
Yeah, but who's going to direct all these films?

I see the Sam Rice story as a Terence Malick film with haunted midwestern landscapes.

The Rube Waddell biopic would need to be quirky, funny, and touching at the end -- msybe Michel Gondry.

A film on Rube Foster and the early days of the Negro National League by John Sayles would be fun.

The Gibson-Rozema story sounds like something Ron Shelton could tackle.

How about the 1914 Miracle Braves by Spielberg?
   67. formerly dp Posted: January 13, 2013 at 10:06 AM (#4346068)
Wait, there are people who don't like Point Break?
   68. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4346095)
Bill James wrote somewhere (I think in one of the HBAs) that any one day in the life of Ban Johnson would make a good movie. The Black Sox Scandal from Johnson's point of view and how he tried to use and manipulate it for his own purposes--and how that backfired into his losing prestige and position would make an interesting Barbarians at the Gate, Wall Street, type of movie

As would The 1890 baseball season, the rise of the Players' League from the Brotherhod, the business jockeying for position that went on, culminating with Albert Spalding wheeling and dealing and finessing to the advantage of the National League and the disadvantage and downfall of the Players' League and the American Assn.
   69. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM (#4346097)
make sure ESPN doesn't get its hands on it


This is always good advice.

67 - Yes, Point Break sucked. If Point Break were a baseball player you would happily trade him for Jeff Francoeur.
   70. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM (#4346106)
They also played two different trailers for Iron Man 3 for some reason.

I'm worried about Iron Man 3. The trailer I saw made it seem like it was going to be dark and gritty. That's not what I want Iron Man to be!
   71. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM (#4346108)
A biopic of Ted Williams, hero and anti-hero, no holds barred, arrogance and temper, angry/bitter gunslinger magnetism and all, Salvation Army fanatic of a mother, bum #### of a father, two wars to overcome, a tale of spitting in the face of a fate that would destroy him. Casting would be important. It's a It's A Wonderful Life story going from hopeful optimism to bitter disillusionment with ultimate redemption possibilities--or does it end like The Searchers. It would take some kind of actor--with range and power. A Yeatsian Circus Animals Desertion thing--character isolated by a deed.
   72. McCoy Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:08 PM (#4346110)
A story about Ted Williams would likely be very boring or not focused at all about baseball in order to be interesting.
   73. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM (#4346117)
Not necessarily, but, yes, it would have to be about character, which led to accomplishments and to downfalls. But, yes, you could make a great story about Williams without ever showing any on-the-diamond footage. Hell, you could make a good movie out of Williams in retirement--a few days fishing for Sears at Toledo Bend Reservoir, say.
   74. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM (#4346119)
A biopic of Ted Williams, hero and anti-hero, no holds barred, arrogance and temper, angry/bitter gunslinger magnetism and all, Salvation Army fanatic of a mother, bum #### of a father two wars to overcome, a tale of spitting the face of a fate that would destroy him. Casting would be important. It's a It's A Wonderful Life story going from hopefug optimism to bitter disillusionment with ultimate redemption possibilities--or does it end like The Searchers. It would take some kind of actor--with range and power. A Yeatsian Circus Animals Desertion thing--character isolated by a deed.

Cast Boris Karloff for the final scene, and it sounds like a winner.
   75. greenback calls it soccer Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM (#4346121)
After reading the latest in the OTP thread, I'm curious about a movie where Jackie Robinson carries a gun everywhere. That might be a short movie though. Or maybe it's the aforementioned Tarantino movie.
   76. AJMcCringleberry Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM (#4346123)
I'm worried about Iron Man 3. The trailer I saw made it seem like it was going to be dark and gritty. That's not what I want Iron Man to be!

Heh, that's one reason I'm sort of looking forward to it.
   77. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM (#4346128)
Yes, it was a cowardly error in judgment for Branch Rickey to counsel Jackie to engage only in temperate response. Djackie Unchained from the beginning would have been a winner, yeah.
   78. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4346140)
Yes, it was a cowardly error in judgment for Branch Rickey to counsel Jackie to engage only in temperate response. Djackie Unchained from the beginning would have been a winner, yeah.

But you have to admit that a Shibe Park shootout scene between the Dodgers and the Phillies would make for great entertainment, with tommy guns blazing while fans behind the two dugouts were ducking for cover behind their fedoras.

Of course the sequel might be a bit problematical, but that's what resurrections and short attention spans are for. Maybe Joe could write the screenplay.
   79. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM (#4346144)
The expression "alligator mouth, hummingbird ass" was created for Kehoskie.
   80. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: January 13, 2013 at 01:23 PM (#4346152)
After that Robinson turned bitterly against the Republican Party when it nominated Goldwater in 64. I think he was a Rockefeller guy but could be turned around. But he saw that as a turning point and walked away for that election.
Good post, and makes sense. My parents were Rocky Republicans, and even voted for Nixon in '68. Viet Nam woke them up and they were die hard Democrats for the last 30 years of their lives. It was the GOP's racism that made them permanent converts. That, the ever increasingly insane foreign policy of the right (Latin America in the 80s, the Iran-Contra fiasco), and its hatred of labor rights made it impossible for them to ever again vote R in national and statewide elections.

All of which is to say, it's easy to forget where the parties were 40 and 50 years ago.
   81. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2013 at 01:27 PM (#4346154)
It's easy for them to forget, too.
   82. OsunaSakata Posted: January 13, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4346251)
"The Bad Guys Won" about the 1986 Mets, directed by Seth MacFarlane.
   83. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: January 13, 2013 at 05:08 PM (#4346291)
A biopic of Ted Williams, hero and anti-hero, no holds barred, arrogance and temper, angry/bitter gunslinger magnetism and all, Salvation Army fanatic of a mother, bum #### of a father, two wars to overcome, a tale of spitting in the face of a fate that would destroy him. Casting would be important. It's a It's A Wonderful Life story going from hopeful optimism to bitter disillusionment with ultimate redemption possibilities--or does it end like The Searchers. It would take some kind of actor--with range and power. A Yeatsian Circus Animals Desertion thing--character isolated by a deed.

The footage of Williams in the Ken Burns documentary always reminds me of Gene Hackman.
   84. phredbird Posted: January 14, 2013 at 09:06 PM (#4347101)
Moe Berg seems like a good one. (Has there been a movie about him?)


i've never heard of one, but if you've read the bio written about him by dawidoff in 94, and if a movie was made that was true to the bio, it would be pretty creepy. the guy was kind of weird. no doubt he was smart and well-educated; he did do some good work for the US gov't and the CIA just before and during WWII, but after that he didn't do much of anything. CIA even paid him to do some freelance spying at one point, but he didn't produce anything, just spent the money they paid him. he became a wandering mooch. he lived with his brother for a while, but did not hold down a job. his brother kicked him out of the house, so he moved in with his sister. he never married, he hinted around to people that he met that he was still a spy long after the CIA had decided he was not worth keeping around. i remember reading in Dawidoff's bio that he mostly lived out of a suitcase for years, keeping a set of drip dry shirts that he'd hand wash and hang in the bathroom of whoever he was staying with.
   85. Howie Menckel Posted: January 14, 2013 at 09:35 PM (#4347110)

I've covered a few events in the last 5 years that Rachel Robinson - Jackie's widow - attended.

She's now 90, and was going to attend the Brooklyn Nets' first game last fall before Hurricane Sandy postponed it and she couldn't make it to the new 'opener.'

I'm usually pretty cynical, but there is something about her. Class, Dignity, Grace - I don't know what to call it.

I realize if you're 30 years old or younger, you probably can't believe she's still even alive and alert and - last I saw - quite engaged.

If she's still as hale as when I've seen her when this is released - and if it works - I suspect she'll bring down the house at the premiere like you've never seen before.


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