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OK, sure, there's a high probability that we'll screw it up, but it's not 100%!
The Reds? No division titles since 1995!!
And their best player does nothing but strike out!! How do you feel about that Brennaman?
Brantley, I think we all must agree, is an expert on clutch, so I've got to respect his opinion.
Nicely played, Walt.
However, aside from the incident of throwing around 20 balls back on the field, and their treatment of Steve Bartman, they're just like any other densely-populated sports town.
Frankly, these "best/worst fans" claims don't mean much because the only thing you can base it on are outlier events, like one Phillies fan (maybe there were others, I forget), out of 30,000, tossing batteries at J.D. Drew. Or the one time in 2003 a cherry bomb went off at an Oakland A's game and burnt some kid.
Some sports cities are more apathetic than others (Atlanta Braves), but no one city has awful fans. Sorry, Marty.
But I do hate that toss-the-ball-back thing. For whatever reason, it's become popular at Sox games too, to the point that a fan will get ridiculously harrassed if he doesn't throw it back.
Red Wings' fans are definitely the worst. The octopus thing is the dumbest tradition in sports. It is funny watching the Wings struggle against the lowly Preds in the playoffs.
Ryan As a Reds fan and a Brennamen hater, I would love to hear the details of this story. i have never heard anything about his leaving the Cubs-I remember wondering when he went to Arizona why anyone would make that choice, but I assumed is was just a general lack of taste.
Then you were probably in diapers at some point during the 80s. If you weren't, you'd know, even if you didn't own one.
Marty Brennaman would be at the other end of the age spectrum.
I don't recall it as being quite so iconic, but then I was totally a fashion-backwards kinda guy.
1. Yankees
2. Red Sox
3. White Sox
4. Phillies
5. Cubs
Honorable mention goes to Twins fans, who are obnoxious simply by being the least interested in what's happening on the field (and the "Circle Me Bert" phenomenon).
Then you weren't the coolest kid in high school like I was. I wore my dad's Members Only jacket every day for a spell. I was so cool!
I was old enough that I didn't really give a shiite any more.
Oh--you mean like last year?
They might "still be the Chicago Cubs," Marty, but they're also the only team in the division other than the Milwaukee Brewers that doesn't suck ass.
Me too! My grandma bought it for me and I wore it for a year or two. It was the perfect thickness of jacket for California.
Nah--I'm not a hockey fan, and I certainly don't carry any water for Detroit sports fans, but I think the symbolism of the octopus is pretty clever.
But they don't come anywhere close to Red Sox fans. Yankees fans, it depends a lot on what group we are talking about.
If people can say (justifiably) that Bartman was just doing what any fan would do (and in fact, what others in his section DID do) in reaching for the ball, I can say the fans of any other team would've reacted similarly if they were in the position of Cub fans. You seriously think Yankee, Red Sox, Philly (or, hell, any) fans wouldn't have crucified Bartman?
Hell, those classy Philly fans are the ones who issued death threats to Mitch Williams after the '93 series.
Awesome. Mine was maroon. Yours?
(And mine was the "perfect thickness" for Michigan, at least a month or two out of the year...)
and those were somehow different than the death threats that Latroy Hawkins received, how?
[other than the racial 'slang' that cubs fans tossed into their death threats of course]
You're making judgments about an entire group of people based on the actions of several individuals who make up less than a fraction of a fraction of said group.
Bill Buckner received death threats. As mentioned above, LaTroy Hawkins did. Pittsburgh Steelers fans dumped trash on Tommy Maddox's front lawn after he blew a game.
Some people just take the game too seriously. It has no affinity with what club they root for; it deals with zeal and a lack of priorities and common sense.
Because my non-obnoxiousness balances out some of the other Red Sox fan obnoxiousness.
Marty, for all of his old foggieness, loves his life. Why would you rather be miserable?
It's possible, though I'm uncertain about this, that I also popped the collar on my Izod/Polo/whatever shirts.
No more than usual. If it helps, cardsfanboy was more obnoxious than you.
Now, do I expect people to change their ways becausing I'm complaining about this? No. But, I reserve my right to vent whenever someone say the famns of ___ are asshats.
Politics don't anger me. Nor do the steroid threads. This does for some reason. Hey, I'm human.
I'm with Gary.
And I too am with GGC. No fan base has a monopoly on a$$holism.
Actually from Boston or New York? Probably not that often. Still, I'd be willing to bet that you could round up a fair share of St. Louisians who claim to be Red Sox or Yankee fans.
They'll also probably claim to be "die hards" going back to the 1990s.
(This isn't directed to St. Louis; I could say the same about virtually any other city.)
football fans
I even like some Cowboy fans.
Even if you were the absolute zero of obnoxiousness, GGC, you wouldn't be able to overcome kevin's.
...No fan base has a monopoly on a$$holism.
- and the astros fan base has got no a$$holes in it at ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
isn't that WONderful?????
Ah, the rarely-seen "Participants Solely" jacket. Now far more collectible, of course.
[other than the racial 'slang' that cubs fans tossed into their death threats of course]
They aren't. I'm pointing out that boorish (in some cases, criminal) behavior is not rooting interest-dependent. I'm not suggesting that such behavior is typical of any team's fans.
Unlike you, with your irrationally broad-brush attacks on Cub fans. You're really getting to be a tiresome prick on the subject, quite honestly.
Heh, he was used to that. He had a good laugh a few years ago when got a letter saying that there would be no more reunions for Brooklyn Law Class of '31 (either that or '32) because he was the only one left.
Well said. (I wasn't making generalities about Phillie fans, incidentally. I was commenting on the fact that every team has its irrational/stupid/whatever backers.)
Except the Padres, of course, whose fans are all the utmost salt of the earth.
Speaking only for myself here, my life consists of things other than my Cub fandom, such that I'm not "miserable." Thank god.
Hilarious.
Wrong.
Heh. Actually, I think it was from the school, they liked to bring back those grizzled old coots to talk randomly about the Blaine Act.
I have a collection of generic knock-off products purely for entertainment value. My favorites are Dr. Pepper knock-offs (Dr. Perfect, Dr. Extreme, etc.) and a generic Crispix called Crispy Hexagons.
The point is that I don't necessarily think that Cubs fans are more obnoxious than anyone else, but there are more of them and they are in a situation in which they are more likely to be affected heavily by alcohol. More alcohol = more ########, so I'm content to look down on Cubs fans with disdain.
Do you have any? I'll pay for shipping!
At one point in North Carolina you could get "Dr. Perky" from Foold Lion and "Dr. Smooth" from Harris Teeter. Dr. Smooth tasted more authentic, but Dr. Perky looked cooler.
That's a great line, no doubt lost on it's intended target.
What?!? How did I not know about this!??!?
Having that BTF troll named "Crispy Hexagons Assault" was bad enough.
As long as it keeps you from looking down with disdain on your wife, I'm cool with it.
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However, you're still painting with a broad brush here. If you'd had that sort of situation with another fanbase, you'd feel that way. And I'm sure there's someone for every team (except the Rays, perhaps) with some sort of story. How about the Giants fan that was shot by a Dodgers fan?
The Rays have that heckler guy.
If one is 4'11", I would think one would know that it is ill-advised to raise one's voice at a drunken hoodlum, no matter how satisfyingly the post-graduate insult rolls off the tongue.
3. White Sox
Gotta love the Twins fan hating Sox fans. Go suck an egg--friend.
I disappointed that's not djf.
If one is 4'11", I would think one would know that it is ill-advised to raise one's voice at a drunken hoodlum, no matter how satisfyingly the post-graduate insult rolls off the tongue
My experience is that the little ones in public can get away with a lot more. I yell something on a train and get slugged and there's probably not much intervention. She yells something and nothing happens, or the other guy suddenly has a train full of enemies if he tries anything. Beating up tiny women in front of 50 witnesses generally doesn't go well for you, and even drunken louts can generally see this.
No, I know. I just don't like loutish drunks and because of the setup at Wrigley you see more of them than elsewhere, that's it. Of course I realize that the ones at US Cellular and most other places are getting in their cars and driving home, which isn't exactly an improvement.
EDIT: Also I have to live nears Cubs fans. It's hard to get worked up about Phillies fans from 800 miles away.
- and the astros fan base has got no a$$holes in it at ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
isn't that WONderful?????
Wrong.
- sigh
leave the poor old man alone. besides his wife is kewl...
Judges 20:16 (the Lord's bullpen) Posted: April 18, 2008 at 11:48 AM (#2749757)
I think that if you're in Wrigleyville after games you see more drunkenness than you do after games in other places I've been, and more drunkenness generally means more people acting like ########. It's nothing to do with Cubs fans per se, it's just that you get a lot of people drinking in the sun in the middle of the day and there will inevitably be a vocal and unpleasant element. It's not Cubs fans, it's beer and sun. But whatever.
- agree
there is a WHOLE lot of people alcohol does NOT make them mellow but make them want to fight.
- and it is also the ushers/ballpark rules too. cubs fans here at the Box drink more beer than other visiting fans or astros fans and they get even a little out of line they get tossed. also the beer guys aren't allowed to sell to people who look even a little drunk
Beating up tiny women in front of 50 witnesses generally doesn't go well for you, and even drunken louts can generally see this.
- agree. only the brett myers of the world get away with this shtt
but i can (and have) gone up to fairly good sized males and asked them politely to please (um, use good manners at all times while in this ballpark)
- on the other hand, being a tiny woman sure didn't help patty biggio none when she was in chicago - she got punched in the face by some male whitesox because she was wearing an astros jersey. and i disremember hearing any stories about how all the other males piled on the a$$hole
Alas, no. This was a number of years ago, and I didn't appreciate the camp value for what it was worth.
I do, however, have a commemorative Steelers can of Iron City Light in my fridge from about 10 years ago.
I certainly don't disagree with this. I'm annoyed on a regular basis by the drunk idiots in and around Wrigley. Fortunately, I don't sit in the bleachers.
Not that there aren't drunk idiots elsewhere in the ballpark, but they're a lot less concentrated, and generally a lot less drunk, per capita.
Two words: Anthony Abbate. Yeah, he's probably going to jail, but that lady bartender isn't getting un-beat-up any time soon.
Not one part of this is true aside from possibly Ms. Biggio being tiny.
I've never heard anyone describe Barbara Bush as kewl (or cool) before. Or did you mean krewl?
mine was chocolate brown.
My point wasn't directed at Cubs fans in general; CFiJ said he'd "rather be a drunk, obnoxious, ball-chucking fan of the never-winning Cubs than be Marty Brennaman".
Which still begs the questions: What's so terrible about being rich and loving your life? And why would someone rather be a "drunk, obnoxious, ball-chucking fan of the never-winning Cubs"?
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/901817,CST-SPT-gordo18.article
on the other hand, being a tiny woman sure didn't help patty biggio none when she was in chicago - she got punched in the face by some male whitesox because she was wearing an astros jersey. and i disremember hearing any stories about how all the other males piled on the a$$hole
Not one part of this is true aside from possibly Ms. Biggio being tiny.
- i got the story from one of the astros wives. and patty biggio is tiny like me.
and fact is that darn near ANY adult female is tiny compared to bout any adult male and let me tell you something - me being tiny - being female and tiny in any sort of physical fight with a grown male is like a 10 year old boy in a physical fight with a grown man. how any female ever even survives being beaten by a male i do not know - unless they don't know how to punch. but even a good blow of any strength would probably break bones in your head/face. patty was lucky because the drunk was too drunk to punch good
leave the poor old man alone. besides his wife is kewl...
I've never heard anyone describe Barbara Bush as kewl (or cool) before. Or did you mean krewl?
- why barbara bush is kewl
1 - when she was first lady she didn't go blond, change the way she look at ALL, lose weight or apologise for being a big woman. when you in a job where you supposed to be a showpiece and people all talktalktalk bout what you look like that takes ovaries. BIG ones.
2 - "no man EVER forgets a blow job" - best line evah
3 - her and george senior sit in the rich people expensive seats behind home plate where people go so as everyone will know they important and a pal of the owner and Other Important People who don't know a squeeze from an infield fly let alone how many players on the field or which base is which. barbara she don't give a rats ass for that - and she is the ONLY person i ever seen there with a scorebook and she there to watch the baseball game and keep score.
which is why she is kewl i don't CARE what her husband and son did/didn't do
A simple Google search will tell you that the truth is nasty enough without making a whole bunch of sh*t up.
Not one part of this is true aside from possibly Ms. Biggio being tiny.
BTF FLASHBACK!
It's too bad the 'Stros still don't play in the Astrodome, it being so nice and all.
I've heard from a few people that would know about these things that Barbara Bush is one of the coldest, nastiest women you'll ever meet, politics aside.
When I Google that, all I find are a bunch of blog posts about how horrible White Sox fans are.
You know, I knew there was a hilarious knockoff that started with "Dr.", but I couldn't remember it. It was, in fact, Dr. Thunder.
One detail I left out re Mr. Ahhhh! : There's an exclamation point.
i wasn't there my own self and i didn't see it happen and there is no video of it happening. so far as i'm concerned, you have to decide who to believe and i believe a person who was actually THERE instead of whatever got printed in the paper or whatever anyone said afterward/spin
did YOU personally see what happened? because that is the only thing that will make me consider that the person who told me is lying
shooty,
yeh i LOVED the dome. i think because the field was more magical because you really weren't close to it. sometimes when i walk into the Box it don't really seem like a ML field, but it seems to small. the Dome was - grander ?!
(and yeah i know, by the way, ALL about some of the heckling that used to happen there. but far as i know, no small females got punched out by some drunk fan from the other team)
The top response for "Patty Biggio assault" is a link to a Houston Chronicle article about the incident. She got slapped in the face--not punched--and her brother-in-law put the guy up against the wall--so yes, a male did pile on the #######.
Well, I'd think living in Cincinnati for most of my rich life would temper my enthusiasm for it...
which is why she is kewl i don't CARE what her husband and son did/didn't do
I've heard from a few people that would know about these things that Barbara Bush is one of the coldest, nastiest women you'll ever meet, politics aside.
VERY interesting. i never heard that - people who don't like her all tell me it is because of the georges. and naturally i don't know her personally and naturally i don't know anyone who does. but i wonder if/how she was BEFORE her husband was president...
but fact is i try not to decide that person X must be awful because i don't like their spouse. because theres a lot of nice people with not nice people
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had relatives die in katrina. suffer in katrina. and i have relatives in skool with evacuees and other situations.
so all i am gonna say is no comment except that all i heard from the evacuees is how incredibly better living conditions even in the bad areas were here. and how much less racism there is (to be honest, they hadn't set foot in tomball and a few other choice sites so i am not sure bout that)
And that's what's great about the privileged. They think they're doing US the favor by stooping down to HELP us with our problems. Ah well. I look forward to Jeb's turn at running things.
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