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Oh, that's cute.
Heli-headed Michael Kay interviewed Clemens and Clemens was pointing to a late May early June start...Kay then pushed him on a possible June 1 start against the Red Sox at Fenway.
i imagine it'd have to be pretty big, with tons of perks.
and if it is, it's another sign that the yankees are still in a class of their own, just like the Abreu deal last year.
If he gets them there, it's worth it. It ain't my money.
The FOX/MLB head honchos are probably masturbating furiously to the dream of having him debut on June 2nd (the Saturday) instead.
Not a bad guess - he got 18 from the 'stros last year, so it's got to be more than that.
and if it is, it's another sign that the yankees are still in a class of their own,
Yeah, just them and the Astros in that class.
I just shoved a singular Terrell's "All-Natural" potato stick up my unsuspecting dogs arse.
OK...I'm better now.
See, even though the Sox are now obviously up near that stratosphere, I just can't imagine a Red Sox fan ever saying this.
Is that really the _best_ part of being a Yankee fan? If so, that's really sad.
I'm going to be charitable and chalk this sort of thing up to willful ignorance (as opposed to, say, incredible stupidity). The contract that the Yankees took on in the Abreu trade is one that any contender other than perhaps the A's or the Twins could have afforded at the time of the deal, and one that looks even better after another free spending off-season. And in all likelihood Clemens will be getting less than half of what Boston paid Seibu for the rights to Matsuzaka.
The Yankees have tremendous resources and a willingness to use those resources to win now. They clearly have an unfair financial advantage over a lot of teams. But they are only one of several high revenue teams that enjoy that advantage.
He is atypical.
Is that really the _best_ part of being a Yankee fan? If so, that's really sad.
No, the best part is the automatic ticket to heaven.
I would assume so. That's the only reason for signing a minor league deal initially. He's not coming off an injury, so he can't make rehab starts. I'd figure on a couple of weeks in Tampa followed by one start each in A, AA, and AAA.
What do people expect from Clemens, numbers-wise (including innings)?
He'll get what, 20 starts? I'll go with 130 IP and an ERA of 3.80 or so.
they took on two contracts (Lidle for 7m, Abreu for 14m) and gave away nothing else of use (CJ Henry? hah) and that's something that other teams simply don't have the ability to do. and that was after they ALREADY had a 60m payroll advantage over the next closest team. likewise, a retroactive analysis makes the contracts seem a bit less insane, but still doesn't change what the situation was at the time the deal was made.
baseball teams do have budgets, regardless of how much you want to think the league is awash in cash, and the yankees are the only ones who have the ability to do things like that. saying that teams like the Sox (in a market smaller than the freakin' city of NY, much less the additional areas of Connecticut, New York State, and NJ) can do the same thing is simply ignoring the reality of the situation.
further, the comment about matsuzaka is a freakin' strawman, given that the yankees are getting clemens for 4 months while the posting+salary of Matsuzaka is an average annual value of less than Clemens earned last year for pitching 4 months. especially if we're talking about Clemens displacing Kei Igawa, who the yankees paid 23m+ to talk to. which, if you include that, makes the single season cost of Igawa+Clemens within spitting distance of DiceK even if you DON'T prorate the posting fees.
lastly, if other teams could do things like this, don't you think you'd see it actually happen? salary dumps never occur on the same level as they do for the yankees, and the yankees own the top 3 (now top 4) most highly paid players in the game. and you're telling me that other big market teams could do that? teams like, say, the dodgers, who don't have anywhere near the fanbase of the Yankees, or the popular cable channel to milk revenue from? YES is easily the most profitable of the team sports networks, outpacing even popular channels like NESN based on ratings, and the Yankee's ownership position gets them more money than virtually any other team.
I think this will definately lift the mood around the clubhouse though
THey took on the prorated portions of those salaries, so cut those figures in half. Other teams couldn't have afforded to take on $10M for a shot at a title? ########. Other teams couldn't have matched the nothing that the Yankees gave up? ########. The Phillies actually kicked in some cash in the Abreu deal. Other teams couldn't have give up some players of value instead of organizational fodder and gotten some more cash back from Philladelphia? ########.
Like I said, willful ignorance.
47. The Clarence Thomas of BTF posters (scott) Posted: May 06, 2007 at 04:15 PM (#2356246)
proof of steroid abuse plus death during a game by being hit in the head with a mike piazza line drive.
Well, we hope that Dice-K eats a poisonous blowfish and Big Papi gets caught buggering Cardinal O'Malley. So there.
gee, that's 10m dollars in total? get your facts straight before you start cussing at people out of the blue, you puerile punk.
ERA+, last three seasons:
Schilling: 150, 77, 116
Beckett: 108, 119. 92
Wakefield: 100, 106, 100
Matsuzaka: who knows, but he's sitting on an 80 right now
Clemens: 145, 221, 197
In summary: You're insane.
it's Massachusetts, why would we care if Big Papi and the Cardinal want to have some manly relations?
and pfft, like DiceK would actually eat sushi in Boston. way too gaijin ;)
actually, i hope that Clemens pitches well and the Yankees still miss the playoffs. he's on both of my fantasy teams.
They also took on Abreu's $15.5M 2007 salary and $2M 2008 buyout.
The Phillies paid Abreu to waive his NTC.
I don't think the Yankees signing proves they're in their own league, as he probably had similar offers out there. But to say the Yankees are "only one of several high revenue teams" is BS. According to Forbes, the Yankees' revenues were about 30% higher than the next highest team in 2006.
actually, we'd probably question his taste in men...
About Jeter, Clemens said..."right there you have the clutchiest player in baseball"
Soon he'll remember what it's like going from Adam Everett back to the Chad Everettesque corky Gannon arm of Jetes.
I certainly hope so!
This move obviously cuts two ways. On the one hand, it makes the Yankees better. Which is bad. On the other hand, it makes them significantly more odious. Which is good.
If the Sox had signed Clemens, they would have gotten awfully close to the Yankees on the odiometer, between the vanishing payroll disparity and, you know, having Roger Clemens on your team.
I just wish he'd gone back to Houston.
And going to the Yankees is fairly brilliant. He doesn't really have that much of a legacy with that team, since he was really only a major contributor to one title. Now he can go back and pitch for a team with a great offense that's already starting its climb out of the cellar. If the Yankees succeed, he will likely get a lot of credit, even if he's not amazing.
They won in 1999 in spite of Roger, not because of him.
He can still pitch. I don't dispute that for a second.
1999 is when the Braves got smoked.
I don't know what counts as a choke, but 1996 was the first year where I was paying attention and the Yankees went to the World Series. After the Braves went up 2-0, I thought, "at least the Yankees aren't winning the World Series this year."
"I'm disappointed," McLane said via cell phone. "Tim and I met with Randy Hendricks two weeks ago and discussed several items. We saw Roger often at Spring Training as well. We were hoping to have more time to talk. This happened faster than anybody thought."
I thought it was the huge financila advantage. Isn't that the best part? Not so much the guy who's in charge of throwing that money around, as the money itself. YMMV.
"These guys really know how to win," says Clemens. Know how to win what exactly? No championships this millennium, and they've sucked crap this year. Way to pick a winner.
Also, way to stick to your holier than thou "We will not make special arrangements for anyone" ########. Get desperate enough and it all goes out the window. The Yankees didn't deserve this--they treated Clemens like crap and they treated his pal Pettitte like crap, and they got them both back. Those two deserve to miss the playoffs for choosing to go to NY. But they probably won't.
I do find it amusing that he'd say this when he's been to the World Series more recently than they have.
That is all.
And it is obvious the Yankees have an advantage over every other team. Oh, and so far the word is there are no special arrangements.
It would be hi-larious to see the Yanks dump him off to the Twins at the trading deadline.
Theo Epstein added, "I don't deserve this, to die like this. I was building a house."
Looking at his other totals, he probably doesn't pitch his five thousandth inning this year. He can't get close to 5000 strikeouts for a while yet, though he might help hold off RJ for second. He will start his 700th game, for 6th all-time.
I wonder how much longer Clemens can keep doing these partial-seasons? If he's still pitching in 2008 he has a shot at #3 all-time for wins, which would be amazing. I can't see even Clemens keeping pitching long enough to reach 417 for second. 27 more starts (two partial seasons) would pass Phil Niekro for fourth all-time. 5000 IP should arrive next year, 5000 Ks is more likely in 2009.
Roger is setting out numbers that only Maddux (wins, starts, IP) and RJ (Ks) have any chance of touching for a very long time indeed. I expect that the winner of the Maddux/Clemens wins derby sets an all-time figure that we'll still be looking at in awe in 50 years.
Regardless how good the Yankees offense is, that seems like an insanely high win total for a guy pitching only 2/3 of the season. Particularly one who is probably only a 6-inning pitcher now.
I think that's crazy talk. In 23 or so starts, no one should be expected to win that many games--especially not a guy who averaged less than 6 IP per start last year in the NL.
Would this have made the Pirates the favorite in the NL Central? Just curious what people think- they'd have a nice staff at that point, particularly the rotation...
Since this is the Internet, I guarantee that someone, somewhere, is turned on by that idea.
What team do you play for that you will be stepping into the batter's box against him?
The run differential sucks right now: -39 before today's game. He'd certainly be an upgrade on Armas or Maholm, and I think he would've put us into the picture as a legit contender for either the division or the WC, but I think it'd be over-aggressive to call us the favorite.
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