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Sunday, May 25, 2014

AP: Josh Beckett pitches first career no-hitter and first in MLB this season

PHILADELPHIA—Josh Beckett pitched the first no-hitter of his stellar career and the first in the majors this season, leading the Los Angeles Dodgers over the Philadelphia Phillies 6-0 on Sunday.

Beckett struck out six, walked three and didn’t come close to allowing a hit against a lineup that included two former NL MVPs and four former All-Stars.

“I don’t think I had no-hit stuff,” he said. “I just really kept them guessing.”
The 34-year-old right-hander, whose career was almost derailed last year by a nerve condition that left him unable to feel his fingertips, threw 128 pitches and fanned Chase Utley on a called strike three to end the game.

Beckett mixed a sharp fastball with a slow, deceptive curve that kept hitters off-balance. He pitched the Dodgers’ first no-hitter since Hideo Nomo beat Colorado at Coors Field in 1996, and the 21st in franchise history. Sandy Koufax threw four.
Beckett pitched the first no-hitter in the majors since Miami’s Henderson Alvarez did it against Detroit on the final day of the 2013 season.

Tripon Posted: May 25, 2014 at 09:18 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4713284)
Off the top of my (slightly beleaguered) head are there any other examples quite like Beckett, who got their no-hitters long after their no-hit stuff had faded into the past?
   2. greenback calls it soccer Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:16 PM (#4713287)
Billy Chapel?
   3. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4713289)
Gooden
   4. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4713290)
Santana, for that matter
   5. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM (#4713294)
Good for Josh Beckett, I guess.
   6. Rob_Wood Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM (#4713296)
Tom Seaver, Warren Spahn, Nolan Ryan
   7. akrasian Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4713297)
Fernando threw one in 1990, years after he'd ceased being Fernando!
   8. purrington Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4713299)
Fernando Valenzuela was well past Fernandomania and gave up 9.8 hits per nine the year he threw his no hitter.
   9. purrington Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM (#4713300)
Coke to akrasian.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: May 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM (#4713302)
Off the top of my (slightly beleaguered) head are there any other examples quite like Beckett, who got their no-hitters long after their no-hit stuff had faded into the past?


Johan Santana threw his in 2012. He didn't even pitch the season before nor the season after.
   11. SteveM. Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4713305)
Hideo Nomo in Coors Field of all places.
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4713308)

126 pitches
3-1 to Utley, last batter, missed the plate. he took a few steps to 1st, seemed stunned to be called back. me, too.
the 3-2 - maybe perfect. maybe too close to take
   13. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4713312)
I hate to say Tim Lincecum, but...
   14. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4713313)
Well, at least this settles that whole "Is there a just God?" question.
   15. SteveF Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:46 PM (#4713314)
He'll be on the DL inside of a month.
   16. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 25, 2014 at 11:48 PM (#4713315)
It was nice to see him get it. The 3-1 pitch was outside and he looked like he was running on fumes. That ninth inning was almost all off speed stuff.
   17. OCF Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:29 AM (#4713322)
Bob Gibson's peak years were 1968-69-70 when he was 31 to 33 years old. His one no-hitter came in 1971, which was one of his lesser years (ERA+ 119).
   18. Cooper Nielson Posted: May 26, 2014 at 06:23 AM (#4713347)
Hideo Nomo in Coors Field of all places.

Actually, his Coors no-hitter was in 1996, his second year in the majors, when he still was in his prime, though not as dominant as his rookie year. He allowed 7.1 H/9 (3rd in NL) and still had 9.2 K/9 (2nd in NL) that year. The fact that it was thrown in Coors was a big surprise; the fact that Nomo threw it was not.

His second no-hitter, in 2001 when he was in the vagabond portion of his career (with the Red Sox, following brief stints with the Mets, Brewers, and Tigers) fits the criteria better, though he was actually still pretty good in 2001 (5th in the AL in H/9, led the league in K and K/9).
   19. Cooper Nielson Posted: May 26, 2014 at 06:39 AM (#4713348)
who got their no-hitters long after their no-hit stuff had faded into the past?

Gooden's 1996 no-hitter, as mentioned by Arbitol Dijaler, is probably the perfect example. Not only did the young Gooden possibly have the no-hittiest "stuff" of anyone since Nolan Ryan, he was throwing complete games all the time. In his first three seasons, he had 35 CG while giving up 6.7 H/9. With a guy like that, a (non-shared) no-hitter almost seemed like an inevitability. But, of course, that Gooden didn't last.

In 1996 he was coming back from almost 2 full missed seasons and a 6.31 ERA in the 7 starts he did make in 1994. He averaged less than 6 IP per start and gave up about a hit per inning. His no-hitter was the only complete game he threw between 1994 and 2000 (though he did have at least one more 9-inning start in a game that went into extra innings).

Interesting to note, however, in Gooden's 1996 game log:

May 3: 6 innings, 3 hits
May 8: 8 innings, 2 hits
May 14: 9 innings, 0 hits

So maybe we could have seen it coming.
   20. Kurt Posted: May 26, 2014 at 06:57 AM (#4713349)
I don't think I've ever heard a no-hitter referred to as someone's "first career no-hitter" before, as though we're expecting him to get five or six.
   21. TerpNats Posted: May 26, 2014 at 07:17 AM (#4713350)
Walter Johnson's only no-hitter came in 1920, a year in which he went 8-10 after a decade of 20-win seasons (including two where he won at least 30). He wouldn't reach the 20-win mark again until the Senators' pennant-winning seasons of 1924 and '25.
   22. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 26, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4713359)
Josh Beckett is to MLB what Derrick Coleman was to the NBA.

I remember the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan once saying that Derrick Coleman was the most underachieving player in NBA history - not in the sense that he was the worst player or anything. Indeed, Coleman was a multiple-time All Star, made the All-NBA third team multiple times, Rookie of the Year, etc. However, Ryan thought if Coleman just had his #### together, was focused on maximizing his immense gifts, he would have been one of the best power forwards in NBA history. Sometimes, you got that Derrick Coleman, and he was like an offensive hybrid of Barkley and McHale - unstoppable.

Isn't that Josh Beckett? The 2007 Josh Beckett; the 2003 postseason Beckett; the 2011 Josh Beckett until the team collapse...these are the Josh Becketts that make him one of the best pitchers of his generation...at times.

The problem is, there is the Josh Beckett that had an ERA above five in three of the six seasons he was in Boston; the Josh Beckett who has started 30 or more games only four times in 12 full seasons as a major leaguer; the Josh Beckett who at times seemed to go a little soft and pudgy; and the Josh Beckett who walks on the mound with the bravado of Roger Clemens, another big right-handed Texan, but without the durability or results of Clemens.

I'm happy for him, because when he's on, he's a ton of fun to watch, and he helped my Red Sox win a title in 2007, and that never goes away. But it's hard not to feel that he left an awful lot of performance on the table over the last 10 years or so...
   23. AndrewJ Posted: May 26, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4713366)
I remember the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan once saying that Derrick Coleman was the most underachieving player in NBA history - not in the sense that he was the worst player or anything. Indeed, Coleman was a multiple-time All Star, made the All-NBA third team multiple times, Rookie of the Year, etc. However, Ryan thought if Coleman just had his #### together, was focused on maximizing his immense gifts, he would have been one of the best power forwards in NBA history. Sometimes, you got that Derrick Coleman, and he was like an offensive hybrid of Barkley and McHale - unstoppable.

Derrick Coleman:Dick Allen, then?
   24. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: May 26, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4713370)
Walter Johnson's only no-hitter came in 1920, a year in which he went 8-10 after a decade of 20-win seasons (including two where he won at least 30).

In 1952 the Tigers' Virgil Trucks had a pair of 1-0 no-hitters, including one against the World Champion Yankees. In his other 22 decisions that year, his record was 3 and 19.

The next year he wound up with the White Sox and won 20 games.
   25. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 26, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4713378)
andrew

No. Allen won a deserved MVP and was one of the best players in the league at various times. Coleman's career isn't anything like that

The number one baseball guy who had a lengthy career but didn't materialize as expected was Dave kingman. Kingman had it all. And between bad organizations and a sensitive nature when younger kingman chose to be a circus freak versus the whole player he could have been

and while supposedly he has now mellowed kingman also chose to be a jerk while playing

It was at minimum disappointing but mostly pathetic. Didn't have to be that person or player

He channeled all of his resentment, frustration and anger into one giant "blank you"

   26. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 26, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4713381)
others might make a case for Gerry templeton

   27. Howie Menckel Posted: May 26, 2014 at 11:02 AM (#4713389)

"However, Ryan thought if Coleman just had his #### together, was focused on maximizing his immense gifts, he would have been one of the best power forwards in NBA history."

This is probably true.
Coleman had the basketball IQ of a great point guard - he not only knew where everyone on his team was supposed to go on every play, the same went for the opposing team's plays. He would grow annoyed that teammates did not grasp the game the way he did, yet did not consider it his responsibility to "make his teammates better," to use the old line about Jordan.

Coleman didn't like to practice, either, partly because he already knew all the plays and quickly picked up the new ones. Conditioning, shmonditioning.

It would have been fascinating to find a team full of such players - if they all grasped the game that well, it would be a balletic combination. I doubt it would survive an entire playoffs, though, assuming they weren't in optimal physical condition - as we was not.

As for Kingman, he was awful anywhere he played in the field and no amount of coaching was likely to change that...
   28. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4713395)
The thing about Beckett that just kills me is that there have been times when he slacked off of his conditioning, and would acknowledge as much publicly, and you're just like, "Dude, your whole job is to be in shape!"

My dad was in construction for over 40 years, was a self-employed contractor. If he was out of shape, he was going to be out of work. He tried really hard to stay in shape, not take stupid risks, physically, etc. When your job is predicated on your physical well-being, isn't that sort of the first thing you would worry about every day?
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 26, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4713397)
howie

he wasn't terrible in the minors. it was only when he arrived in the majors and was rotated through several positions on almost a daily basis where between frustration and not appreciating everyone's criticisms kingman said 'scr8w it' and proceeded to sulk the next 15 odd years

you want to criticize kingman for being immature and choosing the worst possible reaction i support that view

but to state that kingman was a defensive oaf on the likes of a kevin reimer is just wrong.

and yes i know what the record says. i am stating that the record is reflective of first bad team decisions followed up by a player choosing to be horrible.

but when he was a young man of 21 before life soured him he could play defense.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: May 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4713402)

I remember Kingman as a butcher from when he came up with the Giants, they must have soured him fast...
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:23 PM (#4713409)
I remember Kingman as a butcher from when he came up with the Giants, they must have soured him fast...


Wasn't around for his first years, but by bb-ref rField, Kingman was a pretty typical fielder his first few years in the league. I'm just wondering how much of the 28 year old Kingman is influencing peoples perception of his early 20 seasons.

Of course people perception on fielders is almost always worse than they really are, as fans generally have a higher expectation of fielding quality than is reality. (there are exceptions of course...Jeter has been a clearly bad fielder by the eyes for over a decade and yet many people just can't see it because of the narrative/worship/body type)
   32. Davo Dozier Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4713410)
Has a no-hitter has ever ended on a caught stealing or pick-off?
   33. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4713413)
My dad was in construction for over 40 years, was a self-employed contractor. If he was out of shape, he was going to be out of work. He tried really hard to stay in shape, not take stupid risks, physically, etc. When your job is predicated on your physical well-being, isn't that sort of the first thing you would worry about every day?

When you are living contract to contract... maybe. When you have a guaranteed 80m or whatever coming...?
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4713414)
Has a no-hitter has ever ended on a caught stealing or pick-off?


I can think of one that was started with a caught stealing.....
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4713415)

I'm thinking of the age 25 Kingman and his .797 fielding pct at 3B before being moved to 1B.
granted not his natural position, but he looked like a praying mantis - with similar fielding results.
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4713417)
I'm thinking of the age 25 Kingman and his .797 fielding pct at 3B before being moved to 1B.
granted not his natural position, but he looked like a praying mantis - with similar fielding results.


Which was his third full season in the majors and lines up pretty well with Harvey's recollections. He had a .932 and .910 fielding percentages the two years prior at third. (in 500+ innings vs 150 innings when he was 25)
   37. PreservedFish Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4713420)
Has a no-hitter has ever ended on a caught stealing or pick-off?


Henderson Alvarez's last year ended with a wild pitch.
   38. bobm Posted: May 26, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4713421)
No hitters since 1914

PO >=1

                                                                
Rk          Player       Date  Tm Opp   Rslt  AppDec  IP H CS PO
1    Clay Buchholz 2007-09-01 BOS BAL W 10-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  0  1
2     Mark Buehrle 2007-04-18 CHW TEX W  6-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  0  1
3    Dave Righetti 1983-07-04 NYY BOS W  4-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1  1


CS >= 1

                                                                 
Rk           Player          Date  Tm Opp   Rslt  AppDec  IP H CS
1      Homer Bailey    2012-09-28 CIN PIT W  1-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
2     Edwin Jackson    2010-06-25 ARI TBR W  1-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
3    Kevin Millwood    2003-04-27 PHI SFG W  1-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
4       Eric Milton    1999-09-11 MIN ANA W  7-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
5        Hideo Nomo    1996-09-17 LAD COL W  9-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
6      Tommy Greene    1991-05-23 PHI MON W  2-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
7        Dave Stieb    1990-09-02 TOR CLE W  3-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  2
8      Dave Stewart    1990-06-29 OAK TOR W  5-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
9     Pascual Perez    1988-09-24 MON PHI W  1-0 SHO5  W 5.0 0  1
10      Mike Warren    1983-09-29 OAK CHW W  3-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
11    Dave Righetti    1983-07-04 NYY BOS W  4-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
12      Charlie Lea 1981-05-10(2) MON SFG W  4-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
13      Burt Hooton    1972-04-16 CHC PHI W  4-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
14      Tom Phoebus    1968-04-27 BAL BOS W  6-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
15     Sandy Koufax    1964-06-04 LAD PHI W  3-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
16     Hoyt Wilhelm    1958-09-20 BAL NYY W  1-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
17      Mel Parnell    1956-07-14 BOS CHW W  4-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
18        Sam Jones    1955-05-12 CHC PIT W  4-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
19       Jim Wilson    1954-06-12 MLN PHI W  2-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
20      Lon Warneke    1941-08-30 STL CIN W  2-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1
21     Tex Carleton    1940-04-30 BRO CIN W  3-0 SHO9  W 9.0 0  1


baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=wx6uf
   39. Morty Causa Posted: May 26, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4713672)
Bill James in one of the early yearly abstract wrote a piece on Kingman, in which he makes pretty much the case that Harveys does. Management treated Kingman like he was this no-talent player, when he had some athletic ability. He should have been assigned a position and left there to learn to play as best he could. Instead, he was bounced about the field. All aspects of his game then suffered.
   40. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 26, 2014 at 08:41 PM (#4713691)
morty

actually I think the giants thought kingman could everything because of his athleticism. and instead of pointing him to a position and leaving him be they treated him like tony Phillips. crazy.
   41. Morty Causa Posted: May 26, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4713696)
Yes. I was merely recounting my memory of Bill James's view that Kingman was exhibit #1 when it came to management mishandling talent.
   42. akrasian Posted: May 26, 2014 at 10:05 PM (#4713711)
Ryu is trying to top him. He's perfect through 7 innings.
   43. filihok Posted: May 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4713841)
When your job is predicated on your physical well-being, isn't that sort of the first thing you would worry about every day


Everyone's life (as in not dying) is predicated on their physical well-being and plenty of people don't appear to put even minimal effort into maintaining that.
Humans don't always act rationally.

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