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Wednesday, March 26, 2014

APNEWSBREAK: MLB HOPES FOR NEW DRUG DEAL THIS WEEK

While the lengths have not been finalized, a person involved with the talks said Wednesday the most likely penalties would be about 80 games for an initial testing violation and a season-long ban for a second.

“It will be a significant deterrent because players will know they’re not going to just easily walk back into a lineup,” Travis Tygart, chief executive officer of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, said in a telephone interview. “It probably is the best policy in professional sports.”

For use of a limited group of substances, the sides were discussing giving the arbitration panel that hears appeals grievances the authority to reduce suspensions by as much as 50 percent if the player proves the positive test was caused by unintentional use, the person said.

bobm Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:24 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:01 PM (#4677453)
Ugh, still too weak! When will MLB wise up and implement my catapult-into-a-vat-of-rabid-sharks for a first time offender idea?

But seriously, how is 80/162 much more of a deterrent than 50/100? This reminds me of lawmakers tweaking DUI and drug offender penalties to make them incrementally stiffer while patting themselves on the back, but not really getting at the root cause for why people violate the law in the first place.
   2. Al Kaline Trio Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4677461)
WHO PUT TOLAXOR IN CHARGE OF WRITING HEADLINES???
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4677464)
Agree with post one...at some point in time it doesn't really matter what the penalty is, it's just there to make people feel better about themselves because they are "tough on..."

I like the arbitration panel being allowed to adjust the penalty, not sure it will figure into anything though.
   4. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4677469)
I'm disappointed that this wasn't about MLB scoring a bunch of high-grade heroin or cocaine.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4677473)

I'm disappointed that this wasn't about MLB scoring a bunch of high-grade heroin or cocaine


I thought maybe they had signed a new marketing deal with Viagra.
   6. The District Attorney Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:28 PM (#4677479)
I'm disappointed that this wasn't about MLB scoring a bunch of high-grade heroin or cocaine.
"My plan was to start the dinner early, so Manfred and I could go unload the guns that Bud didn't want, and get the package for Torre to take to Atlanta later that night. I kept looking out the window, and the bullpen cart was gone..."

I liked this tweet from C.J. Nitkowski:
My type A / OCD crew: we want 81, right?
   7. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4677480)
I thought maybe they had signed a new marketing deal with Viagra.
Would be a somewhat logical followup to the match.com arrangement.

Edit:

"My plan was to start the dinner early, so Manfred and I could go unload the guns that Bud didn't want, and get the package for Torre to take to Atlanta later that night. I kept looking out the window, and the bullpen cart was gone..."
Nice, though wouldn't Bud be Paulie, not Jimmy?
   8. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:32 PM (#4677483)
I liked this tweet from C.J. Nitkowski: My type A / OCD crew: we want 81, right?


That quote is great. It's the first thing I thought about, actually. (Type A FTW)
   9. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: March 26, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4677489)
Ugh, still too weak!


After reporting that it was happening this is almost exactly what Casey Stern said on MLBXM this afternoon. "It needs to be at least 100 games for a first offense." That's when I clicked over to First Wave.
   10. starving to death with a full STEAGLES Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4677506)
how about we just go to punitive measures. suspensions are obviously not a deterrent, and as jhonny peralta has shown this offseason, a positive test doesn't preclude a player from getting a shiny new 50MM contract.

so, i'd propose this instead:
anyone who's tested positive at any point must wear either a 1 lb weight on both wrists or a 3 lb weight on both ankles every game they play for the rest of their career. which will probably come a lot sooner than it would otherwise, because that is a huge impediment to playing the sport at a high level.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:35 PM (#4677525)
anyone who's tested positive at any point must wear either a 1 lb weight on both wrists or a 3 lb weight on both ankles every game they play for the rest of their career. which will probably come a lot sooner than it would otherwise, because that is a huge impediment to playing the sport at a high level.


It's also an impediment to climbing out of the vat of rabid sharks.
   12. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4677542)
It's also an impediment to climbing out of the vat of rabid sharks. 


HA!
   13. Moeball Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:10 PM (#4677547)
Is the BioG lab in Florida the only lab producing stuff that's not detectible by tests? We already know that if MLB hadn't found a way to get the documentation from the lab, several players caught in the scandal last year would still have shiny reputations to this day and we'd be none the wiser!

Point being, if one lab was able to stay a step ahead of the testing, I'm sure others will come along that can do this as well.

If a player thinks that there is a very low % chance of getting caught and a very high % chance of putting up the kind of numbers that get shiny new contracts, I've gotta believe there are still going to be a bunch of players taking that chance.

Which again still does not deal with the minor league players situation - those guys have almost no incentive at all not to use because their down side is so small but the potential upside is huge.
   14. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4677550)
My first thoughts (seriously) was buying or selling? Then I wondered what this had to do with my favorite Centaur. Yeah, it has been a long week already.
   15. dr. scott Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4677554)
Is the BioG lab in Florida the only lab producing stuff that's not detectible by tests? We already know that if MLB hadn't found a way to get the documentation from the lab, several players caught in the scandal last year would still have shiny reputations to this day and we'd be none the wiser!


As far as i know there is nothing special about the drugs BioG used, just the schedule and dose to avoid most detections. Obviously it has some holes as at least 4 of the 16 or so were caught the year+ before (Colon, Melky, Braun and I think a catcher who's name eludes me).

so the basic answer to your questions is yes, many other labs can do what they did.

I was talking to a couple of amateur players yesterday and they said they still have friends in the minors that are taking stuff, though they were mostly talking about amps and how much better they played on them.
   16. Jeff K. Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4677555)
"MLB HOPES FOR NEW DRUG DEAL THIS WEEK"

Well ####, so do I. Parking lot of Best Buy or do you just want to come up?
   17. depletion Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4677606)
For what it's worth there was a survey of MLB players, discussed on ESPN Mike&Mike; radio this morning. Bryce Harper is the "most overrated", but more interesting is the average answer to the question, "what percent of MLB players are using banned PED's". The average of the percentages given is 9.1%. About 2 players per 25.
   18. Leroy Kincaid Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:24 PM (#4677612)
Sharks get rabies?
   19. starving to death with a full STEAGLES Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:07 PM (#4677620)
Sharks get rabies?
i think that was the plot of deep blue sea.
   20. ptodd Posted: March 27, 2014 at 01:00 AM (#4677662)
17. depletion Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4677606)
For what it's worth there was a survey of MLB players, discussed on ESPN Mike&Mike; radio this morning. Bryce Harper is the "most overrated", but more interesting is the average answer to the question, "what percent of MLB players are using banned PED's". The average of the percentages given is 9.1%. About 2 players per 25.


That's interesting. Players would be more likely to underestimate or overestimate?. I would say underestimate since too high a number would cast suspicion on themselves.

Also, I would call it 4 players per 40 man roster, or 120 players in MLB. The MLBPA claimed it was only 5-8% when testing began.

I was hoping MLBPA would try to reduce the commissioners discretion in penalties and force him to abide by the X/Y/Z number for 1/2/3 offenses regardless of time of use and number of drugs for both analytic and non-analytic positives. Example. Arod gets 50 games. Also, clarity of penalties for obstruction, and a definition of obstruction (eg going to arbitration or taking the 5th should not be obstruction)

I also think they should have insisted on a code of ethics for MLB investigative team with penalties for violations (paid to the MLBPA) and prohibit cutting deals with drug pushers

I wonder also how MLBPA goes about getting approval from the players. Secret ballot? Or can Clark just do what he wants.
   21. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: March 27, 2014 at 06:40 AM (#4677674)
"MLB HOPES FOR NEW DRUG DEAL THIS WEEK"

Well ####, so do I. Parking lot of Best Buy or do you just want to come up?


Dave's not here, man.
   22. eddieot Posted: March 27, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4677707)
I wonder also how MLBPA goes about getting approval from the players. Secret ballot? Or can Clark just do what he wants.

The executive board has to approve every major decision Clark makes. I know Curtis Granderson and Jeremy Guthrie are on the e-board. Not sure who else.
   23. base ball chick Posted: March 27, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4677846)
not a strong enough penalty. should be put to death and the family members sold into slavery and the agent publically horsewhipped, and stripped of all his/her worldly possessions and them given to The Children

and then some

now WHAT is the penalty given to a team/owner whose employee deliberaetely spikes the food or drink or legitimate drug of a player to get them to test positive?

dr. scott Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4677554)

I was talking to a couple of amateur players yesterday and they said they still have friends in the minors that are taking stuff, though they were mostly talking about amps and how much better they played on them


- this must be a lie because we all know that amps do not enhance performance in any way and are the same as red bull/strong coffee. therefore, no one would take it
   24. SportsFanGalaxy Posted: March 28, 2014 at 07:33 AM (#4678088)
Hi,

Newyork yankees Rodriguez has many records from the start of his play to this team.Rodriguez has been banned for the year 2014 for having used performance-enhancing drugs. Rodriguez deny this.
   25. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: March 28, 2014 at 08:47 AM (#4678105)
TINA?!? IS THAT YOU?!?
   26. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2014 at 10:37 PM (#4717088)
Holy ####, it's Dan Lee!
   27. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2014 at 10:46 PM (#4717094)
There are few that will get the Tina reference. Sadly, I am one of them.

*fist bump*

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