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Thursday, July 06, 2006

AP: Reds pitcher Brian Shackelford arrested on suspicion of sexual assault

Cincinnati Reds pitcher Brian Shackelford was arrested early Thursday on suspicion of third-degree sexual assault.

The 29-year-old player was arrested shortly after midnight at Miller Park, where the Reds played the Milwaukee Brewers on Wednesday night, police spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz said. She declined to provide details on the arrest other than to say it involved a woman Monday.

...The Reds optioned the pitcher to the minors and said they will not discuss the case because of pending legal proceedings.

“We recognize the seriousness of the matter and do not condone behavior of the type alleged,” the team said.

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   1. CraigK Posted: July 06, 2006 at 09:07 PM (#2089777)
Yikes.
   2. scareduck Posted: July 06, 2006 at 09:35 PM (#2089808)
I guess this explains Eddie Guardado... right?
   3. NTNgod Posted: July 06, 2006 at 10:20 PM (#2089848)
He's been released, but has to appear at the DA's office August 21.

From <a >the Milwaukee J-S newsblog</a>:

The complainant is an adult woman, said Anne E. Schwartz, department spokeswoman, who declined to give further comment because it is an on-going investigation.
...
Police sources familiar with the case said Shackelford met the woman online and the two went to a hotel room, and took off their clothes. The woman told police her understanding was there would be just touching but there was sex, the sources said.
   4. Sean McNally Posted: July 06, 2006 at 10:23 PM (#2089851)
The complainant is an adult woman, said Anne E. Schwartz, department spokeswoman, who declined to give further comment because it is an on-going investigation.
...
Police sources familiar with the case said Shackelford met the woman online and the two went to a hotel room, and took off their clothes. The woman told police her understanding was there would be just touching but there was sex, the sources said.


Managers, keep your babies off craigslist...
   5. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 06, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#2089863)
"Police sources familiar with the case said Shackelford met the woman online and the two went to a hotel room, and took off their clothes. The woman told police her understanding was there would be just touching but there was sex, the sources said."

So she's admitting that she went to his hotel room, strpped naked, and got in bed with him?

That's going to be a tough conviction for the DA to get, even if he's guilty.
   6. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 06, 2006 at 10:39 PM (#2089870)
Speaking of which, anybody remember all the speculation about the type of offense back when Toe Nash was arrested for "crimes against nature"?
   7. Srul Itza Posted: July 06, 2006 at 10:44 PM (#2089875)
I've got to agree with you there, Vlad. This is going to be a hard sell to a jury, assuming this is all there is.

But I have to suspect that, where your complainant is a woman says she went to a hotel room to get naked, because there was only going to be "touching" and not sex, the DA is probably in for some more unpleasant surprises regarding his witness.
   8. NTNgod Posted: July 06, 2006 at 10:51 PM (#2089880)
a woman says she went to a hotel room to get naked, because there was only going to be "touching" and not sex

Perhaps she had back problems and Shackelford passed himself off as a Masseuse :P

'OK, but don't you have an office?'
'No, no - I'm just in town for a few days, so I've set up shop in the Pfister...'

I don't know if this is supposed to be his mugshot or not. It's next to the blog entry.
   9. MM1f Posted: July 06, 2006 at 11:16 PM (#2089913)
If your in the bigs...even for 7 innings..you shouldnt need to find hookups on the internet.

ANd i do feel bad for the guy...hotel room, no clothes..but no sex? Now if she really said NO NO NO before he tried to get it on thats a no no but otherwise this sounds very sketchy
   10. NTNgod Posted: July 06, 2006 at 11:22 PM (#2089926)
ANd i do feel bad for the guy...hotel room, no clothes..but no sex?

Considering EVERYONE scores off the Reds bullpen, he's probably wasn't used to the action stopping at first base.
   11. Mr. Bouton's Greenie Fetish Posted: July 07, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2090209)
WTF is a major league player doing picking up his women on the 'net?????? This guy must be quite a #########. Even I've gotten laid because of the miracle that is Craigslist, and I have no skillz at all.....
   12. jwb Posted: July 07, 2006 at 02:32 AM (#2090516)
That mug shot looks disturbingly like my brother in law.
   13. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 02:34 AM (#2090520)
WTF is a major league player doing picking up his women on the 'net??????

Maybe he has disturbing sexual fetishes. WTF is third degree sexual assault anyway?
   14. Dash Carlyle Posted: July 07, 2006 at 02:41 AM (#2090532)
Is he any relation to Rusty?
   15. Urban Faber Posted: July 07, 2006 at 02:44 AM (#2090538)
No Polonia references yet?
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: July 07, 2006 at 02:45 AM (#2090539)
/// throws iceberg
   17. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 07, 2006 at 02:56 AM (#2090555)
arrested early Thursday on suspicion

This is the problem with our legal system, right here.
   18. NTNgod Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:25 AM (#2090608)
From the updated AP story:

In the middle of the 13th, Reds equipment manager Rick Stowe informed Reds manager Jerry Narron about Shackelford's situation. Narron went over to Shackelford, put his hand on the pitcher's shoulder and told him to wait on the bench after the game.

"I didn't tell him what was going on," Narron said before Thursday night's game at Atlanta.


Narron's in an extra-inning ballgame, and he finds out the pitcher who just pitched the inning before is wanted by the police. Nice.
   19. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:28 AM (#2090612)
arrested early Thursday on suspicion

This is the problem with our legal system, right here.


Um, isn't that how every legal system in the world works? First arrest, then indictment, then trial, then decision? Am I missing something?
   20. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:29 AM (#2090616)
The Reds optioned the pitcher to the minors and said they will not discuss the case because of pending legal proceedings... Team spokesman Rob Butcher declined to say if the move was related to the Milwaukee case.
Is this a potential grievance, re service time?
   21. MM1f Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:35 AM (#2090625)
"Is this a potential grievance, re service time?"

How did the Julio Lugo thing work out with the MLBPA? He was accused of wifebeating but his wife relented...charges were either dropped or never filed..but the 'Stros dumped him immidiatly after the accusation dropped (he was kindve sucking at the time too)
   22. Dr. Vaux Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:41 AM (#2090632)
By "our" legal system, I mean the tyical western legal system, nothing endemic to the U.S.

Holding someone in prison before they've been proven guilty is an obvious violation of human rights.

But I know human rights is a radical concept, though most posters on this message board are more enlightened about it than 70 percent of Americans.
   23. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:45 AM (#2090640)
Holding someone in prison before they've been proven guilty is an obvious violation of human rights.
I know what you're trying to get at, but actually holding people in prison before a verdict is not necessarily wrong. Not everyone gets bail.
   24. MM1f Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:46 AM (#2090642)
"Considering EVERYONE scores off the Reds bullpen, he's probably wasn't used to the action stopping at first base."

hahaha niiiiiice
   25. NTNgod Posted: July 07, 2006 at 03:55 AM (#2090651)
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel: Reds pitcher arrested

Brian Shackelford, 29, was arrested at 12:15 a.m. at Miller Park on suspicion of third-degree sexual assault, according to police records.

Shackelford was released from the county jail Thursday afternoon on his own recognizance and was ordered to appear at the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office on Aug. 21, said Assistant District Attorney Ken Berg.
...
Jonathan Smith, a lawyer representing the woman who filed the complaint, said he couldn't talk about the specifics of the case but added that the fact the case was pended wasn't unusual.

"With these types of cases, there is additional information that needs to be collected so they can make a proper review. I don't think too much should be read into the fact that (Shackelford) is being released. That is not entirely uncommon," Smith said.
   26. NTNgod Posted: July 07, 2006 at 04:58 AM (#2090716)
Hah! It was the Pfister - site of Luis Polonia's Last [one-night] Stand.

Dayton Daily News: Reliever demoted following his arrest (RR)

According to Schwartz, the third-degree nature of the assault refers to the amount of force used. Third-degree involves the least amount of force, she said.

Sources close to the situation said that Shackelford met the woman through an online dating service and had dinner with her before taking her to his room at the Pfister Hotel in Milwaukee.
   27. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 09:14 AM (#2090782)
By "our" legal system, I mean the tyical western legal system, nothing endemic to the U.S.
No; I think you're referring to every legal system ever in existence anywhere. I'm pretty sure that there aren't any countries out there where people commit crimes and the government doesn't do anything about it beyond fervently wishing that these people show up in court for a trial down the road.
Holding someone in prison before they've been proven guilty is an obvious violation of human rights.
Leaving aside that arresting someone is not the same as "holding someone in prison," it's not in fact "obvious" at all.

My wife surprises a burglar at night and he kills her; police arrive while he's still in the house. In fact, he's still holding the bloody knife. In your view, the police should... politely tell him not to do it again, and then walk away, because he hasn't been proven guilty yet?

You don't think arresting him might perhaps be a good idea, rather than a violation of his rights?
   28. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 01:22 PM (#2090847)
My wife surprises a burglar at night and he kills her; police arrive while he's still in the house. In fact, he's still holding the bloody knife. In your view, the police should... politely tell him not to do it again, and then walk away, because he hasn't been proven guilty yet?

I believe Michael Dukakis failed this question.
   29. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 04:32 PM (#2091003)
David, I think what Vaux is trying to say is that indefinite detention without a verdict is a breach of human rights. Surely you'd agree with that?

I hope you'd go further. I hope you'd agree that lengthy detention without charge is a breach of human rights, and that very lengthy detention without a verdict is a breach of human rights. And I hope you'd also agree that any detention without a verdict must be necessary, reasonable and proportionate.
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: July 07, 2006 at 04:40 PM (#2091017)
David, I think what Vaux is trying to say is that indefinite detention without a verdict is a breach of human rights. Surely you'd agree with that?

As far as I can tell post 17 and 22 says any arrest is wrong.
   31. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: July 07, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#2091037)
I've gotten laid because of the miracle that is Craigslist

do tell.
   32. shaftr Posted: July 07, 2006 at 05:21 PM (#2091057)
Has anyone found the Craigslist entry he replied to?
   33. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: July 07, 2006 at 06:29 PM (#2091110)
Under section 940.225(3), Wis. Stats., Third degree sexual assault is defined as "sexual intercourse with a person without the consent of that person" or "sexual contact of in the manner described in sub. (5)(b)2. with a person without the consent of that person." The described sexual contact includes ejaculation, urination or defecation onto the clothed or unclothed body of another for purposes of sexual degradation, sexual humiliation or sexual arousal or gratification.

Covers a host of things, really. Third degree is differentiated from first degree sexual assault(results in pregnancy or great bodily harm) and second degree (without consent and with threat of force, or causes injury, illness, disease, impairment of mental anguish, or victim is mentally ill or deficient or intoxicated or unconscious).

So without consent, but conscious, not intoxicated, not injured. Could be a piss freak.
   34. Hack Wilson Posted: July 07, 2006 at 06:35 PM (#2091112)
The first report I saw on this seemed to indicate he was arrested at Miller some hours after a game. And my first (disgusting) thought was, How do you use a rape test on a giant polish sausage?
   35. Srul Itza Posted: July 07, 2006 at 07:06 PM (#2091149)
indefinite detention without a verdict is a breach of human rights

It is also not part of our jurisprudence.

After arrest, most people have to be arraigned within 48-72 hours, depending on jurisdiction.

After arraignment, they may get bail, or be ROR'd. There has to be a good reason to deny bail, based on the nature of the charges and the amount of evidence. The result, of course, is that too often a poor person will wind up awaiting trial in a jail (which is a little different from prison in terms of the conditions of confinement, but not a whole lot), while a person with means can make bail.

Assuming they are held pending trial, you then come up against Speedy Trial requirements. While the constitution is vague on this, the federal government, and a great many states, have rigid rules about how much time can be allowed to pass before trial. There are extensions, sometimes at the request of the prisoner, but it is not an "indefinite" hold.

Now, if you are talking about Guantanamo or the secret prisons scattered throughout the old Soviet bloc or god knows where else -- that is a different kettle of fish. I have a hard time justifying the idea that the President can just declare someone an enemy combatant, and then they can essentially be held for the rest of their life, with only minimal, and probably quite deferential, review from the Courts. Even in a good cause, that kind of authority makes me uneasy.
   36. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: July 07, 2006 at 08:57 PM (#2091269)
Well, I guess we'll have to wait for Vaux to clarify his comments.
   37. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 08, 2006 at 12:44 AM (#2091545)
David, I think what Vaux is trying to say is that indefinite detention without a verdict is a breach of human rights. Surely you'd agree with that?
I think it's likely he doesn't mean that, since (a) he was talking about Shackelford being arrested at all, and (b) he was referencing "our legal system," which he later explained means western legal systems generally. Keeping someone in jail without trial isn't a normal function of our system or (to my knowledge) western legal systems. (Although bail is often not a feature of other countries' legal systems.) You can't be arrested without probable cause, and you can't be jailed without a hearing, and the bail requirements must be proportionate to the situation (but see U.S. v. Salerno -- no right to bail), and you can't be jailed indefinitely without trial (you have a right to a "speedy trial").
I hope you'd go further. I hope you'd agree that lengthy detention without charge is a breach of human rights, and that very lengthy detention without a verdict is a breach of human rights. And I hope you'd also agree that any detention without a verdict must be necessary, reasonable and proportionate.
Leaving aside the Guantanamo situation, which I think presents different issues, yes, I agree with this.
   38. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: July 08, 2006 at 12:55 AM (#2091566)
Doh! I really hate posting without refreshing. What Srul said.
   39. Mister High Standards Posted: July 08, 2006 at 01:40 AM (#2091669)
Holding someone in prison before they've been proven guilty is an obvious violation of human rights.


####### Hippy.
   40. FLP82 Posted: July 12, 2006 at 05:36 PM (#2096856)
I just wanted to say that I know Brian and he definately wouldn't assault anyone and doesn't have any kinky fetishes or anything.
   41. FLP82 Posted: July 12, 2006 at 05:36 PM (#2096859)
I just wanted to say that I know Brian and he definately wouldn't assault anyone and doesn't have any kinky fetishes or anything.
   42. FLP82 Posted: July 12, 2006 at 05:36 PM (#2096860)
I just wanted to say that I know Brian and he definately wouldn't assault anyone and doesn't have any kinky fetishes or anything.
   43. FLP82 Posted: July 12, 2006 at 05:37 PM (#2096862)
I just wanted to say that I know Brian and he definately wouldn't assault anyone and doesn't have any kinky fetishes or anything.

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