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Are Yoenis Cespedes’ camp antics a Mets problem? | New York Post

Spring training 1992. Back field at Fort Lauderdale Stadium. New Yankees manager Buck Showalter and I are standing side by side staring out at an outfield drill that Mel Hall is purposely tarnishing.

Showalter never moves his eyes from the drill, never looks at me, but says: “Joel, you can have an ass(bleep) on your team. But that ass(bleep) better be Barry Bonds.”

Jim Furtado Posted: March 08, 2018 at 08:30 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. manchestermets Posted: March 08, 2018 at 08:46 AM (#5635261)
"I couldn't get an interview with Cespedes, so I'm going to slaughter him based on innuendo and supposition".
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 08, 2018 at 08:50 AM (#5635263)
Was Hall propositioning underage girls during the drill or something?

It's idiotic that teams still apparently think that major league outfielders need to spend the spring practicing how to catch routine fly balls.
   3. Mike Webber Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:01 AM (#5635271)
shouldn't you bleep the ass part of the word, instead of the hole part of the word?
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:05 AM (#5635272)
Ha, I was thinking the same thing.
   5. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:08 AM (#5635274)
Simply hacktastic...
   6. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5635297)
You ever hear the saying, you meet an ass hole one day, forget it, you met an ass hole. You meet an ass hole every day, then you are the ass hole.

Joel Sherman meets an ass hole every day.
   7. stig-tossled, hornswoggled gef the typing mongoose Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:02 AM (#5635304)
I prefer to think of the use of "camp" here as the Susan Sontag version, in which we see, I suppose, Cespedes channeling Paul Lynde or somebody.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5635311)
Earlier this week. First Data Field. New Mets outfield coach Ruben Amaro is hitting fungos to nine outfielders. New manager Mickey Callaway is watching. One of the nine is wearing his hat backward.
Joel, the early '90s called. They want their player criticisms back.
   9. Batman Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5635313)
Logically it follows that, like the 1992 Yankees and Mel Hall, the Mets are a couple of years away from starting a dynasty and Cespedes will go to jail.

Was this part stolen from a Peter Gammons notes column?
Cleveland manager Terry Francona is a likely Hall of Famer whose first champion was the 2004 Idiot Red Sox, who were filled with iconoclasts — and no one would confuse do-it-his-way Manny Ramirez, for example, as someone who cared what his teammates thought of his rule breaking.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5635317)
I'm not a fan of goofing off, and loafing on ground balls in the regular season. But in Spring Training? C'mon.

You just want Cespedes to get to opening day in one piece. Lrt him have some fun.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5635323)
I prefer to think of the use of "camp" here as the Susan Sontag version


This really made me laugh
   12. djordan Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5635352)
Yep #5. Perfect example of when you're a baseball columnist and there's no news, you depend on hot garbage like this. You should have a backlog of at least 5-10 profiles or "remember when" articles in your pocket. This is just junk.
   13. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: March 08, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5635358)
Mel Hall was a nutjob and a criminal. I don't know much about Cespedes, but I've also never heard that he's anything but a model citizen. Maybe it's good that he's still able to have fun playing ball after all these years?
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 08, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5635363)
I don't know much about Cespedes,
Dude rode into camp on a horse a couple years ago. It was great.
   15. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 08, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5635366)
I don't know much about Cespedes, but I've also never heard that he's anything but a model citizen.

And he single handedly supports several custom car shops.
   16. Captain Supporter Posted: March 08, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5635381)
When reporters don't get the access they want, they make their displeasure known with articles like this. Someday we will get a really good baseball columnist in New York. We certainly do not have one at present.

But at least our writers are better than Boston's :-)
   17. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 08, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5635582)
For example, after a game Monday, two Mets media relations officials said they could get any player for reporters. Pause. “Except Cespedes.” I requested him anyway, and he was not even asked.


“I was told Cespedes wouldn’t be doing an interview. When I asked to interview him he said no.” What in the #### is that? That’s just being a #########. A fair question for the PR guys would’ve been “why won’t Cespedes be available?” But this is just being a dick on Sherman’s part.

Captain - I recommend reading Alex Speier’s (Boston Globe) stuff. There are plenty of hacks in Boston but Speier is absolutely top notch.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: March 08, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5635608)
Cue Allen Iverson
   19. GGC Posted: March 08, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5635616)
 6. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5635297)
You ever hear the saying, you meet an ass hole one day, forget it, you met an ass hole. You meet an ass hole every day, then you are the ass hole.

Joel Sherman meets an ass hole every day.


Yeah, but he can play a mean game of Scrabble.
   20. Leroy Kincaid Posted: March 08, 2018 at 04:49 PM (#5635644)
And he single handedly supports several custom car shops.


You say that like it's a good thing.

Cue Allen Iverson


Thought the same thing but couldn't remember the name.
   21. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: March 08, 2018 at 05:13 PM (#5635653)
3. Mike Webber Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:01 AM (#5635271)
shouldn't you bleep the ass part of the word, instead of the hole part of the word?

I used to watch a Canadian station when I was a teen, and they’d air movies late at night uncensored. I of course was watching just for the possibility of seeing naked ladies—I’m afraid the subtleties of Atom Egoyan’s Exotica were lost on 14-year-old me.

Anyway, one night I learned they weren’t completely uncensored, as there was one 12-letter profanity they’d bleep out. But imagine my shock when they bleeped out just the mother part of “************”!
   22. Walt Davis Posted: March 08, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5635716)
#21 ... actually that's common. There's a song in the South Park movie inspired by it ... you can say "uncle ######\", you cannot say (without a harsher rating) "mother ######." In the US, when they finally allowed network TV shows to use "damn", they still were not allowed to use "god damn."
   23. Walt Davis Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:01 PM (#5635720)
I also recall a Letterman show where a guest gave the finger then said something about how that would be blurred out. Then either Letterman pointed out or they just figured out that if they turned their hand around, it would not be blurred out. So raised middle finger with nail-side facing the camera -- too vulgar for America's sensitive eyes; raised middle finger with fingerprint side facing the camera -- no problem.

And of course just the absurd notion of blurring the middle finger as, for some reason, being less offensive than seeing the actual finger -- like we won't know it's the middle one back there. Or the odd custom that, in a semi-polite setting, I can say "F-word" and make everybody think \"####\" is acceptable but saying \"####\" is not.
   24. Stormy JE Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:03 PM (#5635721)
You should have a backlog of at least 5-10 profiles or "remember when" articles in your pocket. This is just junk.
Well, this column IS a "remember when," as in "Remember when that perv Mel Hall was shagging fly balls with his pants around his ankles?"
   25. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5635730)
There is no way the Mets will win the World Series !

Or the Giants, for that matter. Foff Cueto !
   26. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: March 08, 2018 at 09:21 PM (#5635734)
Why is there no spring training OMNIchatter ?

[x] Bryce Harper does something awesomely
   27. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:13 PM (#5635760)
I'm late in paying my respects to gef's post #7, but it really is outstanding.
   28. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: March 08, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5635763)
The headline makes it sound like he's short-sheeting beds and running underwear up the flagpole.
   29. manchestermets Posted: March 09, 2018 at 04:31 AM (#5635825)
In the US, when they finally allowed network TV shows to use "damn", they still were not allowed to use "god damn."


Something I've often wondered - who is "they" and why does this not fall foul of the first amendment?
   30. Lassus Posted: March 09, 2018 at 08:09 AM (#5635847)
And of course just the absurd notion of blurring the middle finger as, for some reason, being less offensive than seeing the actual finger -- like we won't know it's the middle one back there. Or the odd custom that, in a semi-polite setting, I can say "F-word" and make everybody think \"####\" is acceptable but saying \"####\" is not.

When we were in like 5th grade, someone (me, maybe) came up with the brilliant idea of flipping people the ring finger. Initially hilarious, it all went downhill pretty quickly when someone did it to our teacher, who it was rumored (later on) had been kicked out of the Navy.
   31. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 09, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5636020)
Something I've often wondered - who is "they" and why does this not fall foul of the first amendment?


TV/radio caves to the FCC, which is carrying on the movies' Hayes Office policies long after they'd outlived their usefulness.
   32. Batman Posted: March 09, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5636025)
I also recall a Letterman show where a guest gave the finger then said something about how that would be blurred out. Then either Letterman pointed out or they just figured out that if they turned their hand around, it would not be blurred out. So raised middle finger with nail-side facing the camera -- too vulgar for America's sensitive eyes; raised middle finger with fingerprint side facing the camera -- no problem.
There was another Letterman where he talked about CBS having shown a made for TV movie (a new On Golden Pond, I think) that had an unbleeped \"####\" (the s-word) in prime time. Letterman could show that clip unbleeped, but, when he repeated the line from the movie, it would be bleeped.
   33. manchestermets Posted: March 09, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5636063)
TV/radio caves to the FCC, which is carrying on the movies' Hayes Office policies long after they'd outlived their usefulness.


So given that the FCC was created by an act of Congress, a first amendment challenge to the rules about swearing would win comfortably, right?
   34. eddieot Posted: March 09, 2018 at 04:25 PM (#5636226)
   35. eddieot Posted: March 09, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5636228)
Oops. Coke to Walt Davis
   36. RMc's Daps of the Dope Artists Posted: March 10, 2018 at 08:39 AM (#5636397)
We talkin' about practice.


What are we talking about?
   37. Jason Dean Posted: March 10, 2018 at 08:39 PM (#5636524)
In my pre-cable teen years, bbc dramas would occasional yield titties. Benny Hill provided more reliable t&a.
   38. TVerik. Old Java Rodney. Posted: March 10, 2018 at 09:23 PM (#5636534)
I'm not a fan of goofing off, and loafing on ground balls in the regular season. But in Spring Training? C'mon.

You just want Cespedes to get to opening day in one piece. Lrt him have some fun.


In the abstract, sure. But if you're a manager of a highly-paid baseball team, and your job is partially to motivate them to push themselves beyond their comfort zone, I think it's defensible to look at someone like Cespedes as a team leader, closely scrutinized by rookies and minor-leaguers. There's something very powerful in "If that guy can do it, why can't I?" when it comes to excuse time. Being a hard-ass is sometimes about creating a culture of "this s(%t is NOT OK".
   39. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: March 10, 2018 at 11:49 PM (#5636557)
I believe LA Law was the first show to use “goddammit” on the air. It was that or “son of a #####.”
   40. PreservedFish Posted: March 11, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5636578)
So after a couple of days of chuckling at the idea of Yoenis Cespedes causing havoc with his Bette Midler style musical reviews, I finally actually read this article and it's one of those where the article itself settles Betteridge's Law:

Midway through this particular drill, Cespedes lies on the ground, not rising until the ball is in flight. His personal add-on makes the drill more difficult and trains him to track the ball under more arduous circumstances. Soon several other outfielders are challenging themselves in this way, too. Again, perception. For in this moment you can decide Cespedes is no prima donna, but a leader by example. Unlike Hall, he is not disruptive, just distinctive...

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