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Aroldis Chapman struck by liner, hospitalized with facial fractures

Cincinnati Reds closer Aroldis Chapman suffered fractures to bones in his nose and left eye while taking a line drive to the face Wednesday night.

Chapman was carted off the field and transported by ambulance to a hospital and would be kept overnight for observation, the Reds said on their Twitter account.

The Reds said Chapman was originally taken to Banner Del E. Webb Medical Center in Sun City, Ariz., where tests indicated the facial fractures. He was then transferred to Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center, where he was to undergo further testing.

Reds manager Bryan Price said Chapman was conscious and talking as he was taken off the field during the game against the Kansas City Royals.

“Not good,” Price said. “He left the field on a stretcher, took a line drive just above his left eye is what it looks like—a contusion, a laceration, and certainly needs to be taken to the hospital and checked. We’ve got Tomas Vera, an assistant trainer, is going to be with him. And then we’ll get our updates from there.”

The hard-throwing left-hander was struck by Salvador Perez’s hit with two outs in the sixth inning. The pitcher crumbled to the ground, face down and flailing his legs. The ball caromed into the third base dugout. Medical personnel, including Royals Dr. Vincent Key, rushed the field. Chapman’s father was among the people to run onto the field immediately after he was struck.

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   1. Jeltzandini Posted: March 20, 2014 at 06:14 AM (#4674316)
Damn, that clip is terrifying.
   2. AndrewJ Posted: March 20, 2014 at 06:25 AM (#4674317)
The only video of this I've seen is from a fan in the stands, who turns away after Chapman is hit. This may have been preferable than seeing the impact.
   3. Transmission Posted: March 20, 2014 at 08:00 AM (#4674323)
I have more problems with the replay "solution" than I do with putting a BP screen up on front of pitchers while painting an outline in front of the mound to delineate an area where any bunted ball is an automatic out. Any line drives off the screen are treated as live balls in play. MLB prioritizes fixing bad calls over fixing a mortal threat to exposed players. Best wishes to Chapman.
   4. Jeltzandini Posted: March 20, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4674329)
Two slightly positive things:

1. Chapman didn't have time to turn his head. A straight on forehead shot is awful, but not quite as bad as a side shot to the temple.
2. It looks like a medium to medium-hard line drive rather than an absolute bullet.

3 and 4 would be that it didn't hit him directly in the eye, nor did it knock him out.

This is straw-grasping, because what happened is plenty bad.
   5. depletion Posted: March 20, 2014 at 08:32 AM (#4674331)
Wouldn't a face mask / helmet of some type be a better idea than the screen? My thought is that pitchers have a lot of different follow-throughs: one screen would not fit all.
   6. Knock on any Iorg Posted: March 20, 2014 at 09:13 AM (#4674365)
As bad as this was, is the occurrence of pitchers getting hit by batted balls high enough to make substantive changes to the field layout, or even masks? It's impossible to protect against every possibility so if this occurs in .00001% of batted balls is it really a worthwhile response? If that's a yes then what about extending the screens for fans who haven't accepted the risk by putting on a uniform and playing out on the field? Life has certain risks so there has to be a measured response or you exhaust your resources chasing after only one risk and leave yourself exposed to many others.
   7. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: March 20, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4674369)
So, who already drafted Chapman in fantasy?
   8. Jeltzandini Posted: March 20, 2014 at 09:20 AM (#4674372)
SSS, but this is the fourth incident in MLB in the last ~1.5 seasons. J.A. Happ, Brandon McCarthy, Alex Cobb, now Chapman. If that is really the current rate, they will have to do something, because eventually somebody's going to die.
   9. Lassus Posted: March 20, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4674407)
Even with #8, I agree with #6.
   10. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 20, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4674418)
So, who already drafted Chapman in fantasy?
I overpaid for him in an auction 18 hours before this happened.
   11. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: March 20, 2014 at 11:38 AM (#4674428)
Happ, who returned three months later, was one of a dozen major league pitchers tagged by line drives from 2008 through 2013, according to one estimate from Major League Baseball.


This is from a piece in the Boston Sunday Globe Magazine about Bryce Florie The piece also mentions the padded hats for pitchers, but doesn't indicate whether any pitchers are wearing them. (The article isn't very interesting. Just provided the link for accuracy and all the people wondering what Bryce Florie is up to.)
   12. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4674430)
SSS, but this is the fourth incident in MLB in the last ~1.5 seasons. J.A. Happ, Brandon McCarthy, Alex Cobb, now Chapman. If that is really the current rate, they will have to do something, because eventually somebody's going to die.


As shitty as this may sound, eventually somebody is going to die doing absolutely any and every activity there is or may be. And someone already has died from a batted ball - the Rockies ML 1st base coach. The helmets all coaches wear now wouldn't actually have prevented the death (he was hit behind and below the ear), but hey, looked like a good thing at the time.
   13. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4674470)
I think a padded hat is the way to go. It's not going to stop everything and at some level I think a fear factor is part of the game but at least it will stop some without fundamentally changing a lot.
   14. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: March 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM (#4674477)
Do pitchers wear padded hats in little league? It seems like safety stuff like that usually starts at the lower levels before it would move up to MLB.
   15. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 20, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4674487)
So, who already drafted Chapman in fantasy?


I'm in a league with a guy who drafted both Chapman and Patrick Corbin. He's not a happy camper.
   16. Sunday silence Posted: March 20, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4674520)
not sure you need a helmet as the top of your head seems in less danger. I would think a padded mask that covers the cheek bones, eye sockets, forehead and temple. It would look like a large googles.
   17. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 20, 2014 at 02:02 PM (#4674527)
Reds have announced "Chapman to have surgery for facial fractures. Expected to pitch again this season, but not before May."
   18. Knock on any Iorg Posted: March 20, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4674534)
Magneto to the rescue!!
   19. zonk Posted: March 20, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4674537)
I'm in a league with a guy who drafted both Chapman and Patrick Corbin. He's not a happy camper.


This is the worst part about the abroad openers...

Our league just says screw it - we're drafting next weekend.

Early drafts/auctions suck for precisely this reason.
   20. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: March 20, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4674538)
Geez, now he'll be even more afraid to leave the house.
   21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 20, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4674545)
not sure you need a helmet as the top of your head seems in less danger. I would think a padded mask that covers the cheek bones, eye sockets, forehead and temple. It would look like a large googles.


I think one thing that could happen though is pitchers would be trained to duck into the batted ball and take it off the protected top of the head rather than trying to flinch and leave their face exposed. I'm not sure that would work but it feels like a feasible system to me as the movement is basically the same as ducking behind the L screen.

Do pitchers wear padded hats in little league?


Not in the league I coach in. We're Cal Ripken League (same ages, different governing body from Little League) so maybe that is different.
   22. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 20, 2014 at 03:25 PM (#4674583)
Another help is to de tune the bats. Bill James idea for thicker minimum handles, less breaks(faster games), less shrapnel, and a little less velocity on line drives.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: March 20, 2014 at 03:53 PM (#4674602)
Another help is to de tune the bats. Bill James idea for thicker minimum handles, less breaks(faster games), less shrapnel, and a little less velocity on line drives


They detuned the bats some in 2010...that is the reason for the reduced levels off offense the past couple of years. Not sure another detuning is needed, although I wouldn't have a problem if they implemented thicker handles.
   24. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: March 20, 2014 at 04:29 PM (#4674623)
not sure you need a helmet as the top of your head seems in less danger. I would think a padded mask that covers the cheek bones, eye sockets, forehead and temple. It would look like a large googles.


Something like this, perhaps?

   25. just plain joe Posted: March 20, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4674625)
I think one thing that could happen though is pitchers would be trained to duck into the batted ball and take it off the protected top of the head rather than trying to flinch and leave their face exposed. I'm not sure that would work but it feels like a feasible system to me as the movement is basically the same as ducking behind the L screen.


If they had time to duck into the ball and take it off the helmet they should have time enough to get their glove up and catch the ball.
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 20, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4674645)
Chapman having surgery to put a metal plate in his head, but they are still saying he could begin throwing in 6 to 8 weeks.
   27. Sunday silence Posted: March 20, 2014 at 05:28 PM (#4674647)
Something like this, perhaps?


there's Hertz and there's "not exactly."
   28. Canker Soriano Posted: March 20, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4674659)
Chapman having surgery to put a metal plate in his head, but they are still saying he could begin throwing in 6 to 8 weeks.

It's not Tommy John surgery, but I doubt that Don Zimmer surgery is any more fun. That's a scary clip alright.
   29. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 20, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4674663)
Chapman having surgery to put a metal plate in his head, but they are still saying he could begin throwing in 6 to 8 weeks.


If I was him I would also request a glowing red LCD to replace my bad eye, trimmed with terminator gray metal.
   30. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 20, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4674686)
The helmets all coaches wear now wouldn't actually have prevented the death (he was hit behind and below the ear), but hey, looked like a good thing at the time.


They may prevent the next one, which is vastly more important than whether they would have prevented the one that already happened, absent time-machine technology. And the downside to the coaches wearing them is nonexistent. As was predicted at the time, they've become an absolute non-issue.

I'd have no problem with the pitchers wearing helmets or, at least, some protective hat liners. It won't protect against every possible injury, but I don't know why the inability to reach that ideal is an argument against any improvement on the safety front.

   31. puck Posted: March 20, 2014 at 09:38 PM (#4674688)
not sure you need a helmet as the top of your head seems in less danger. I would think a padded mask that covers the cheek bones, eye sockets, forehead and temple. It would look like a large googles.


We could look to our own NBA thread.
   32. Publius Publicola Posted: March 20, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4674695)
If I played baseball and my name was Chapman, I'd change it immediately.
   33. Publius Publicola Posted: March 20, 2014 at 11:25 PM (#4674697)
Double
   34. Sunday silence Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:28 AM (#4674708)
not sure what the suggestion about ducking the top of your head into the batted ball is about. Rather than training people to do non baseball things, just protect the top of the head as well as the front of the face. I would not be surprise if Chapman has to wear something protective if/when he gets back to baseball.
   35. tshipman Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:36 AM (#4674709)
Perez at the video praying at the edge of the mound was oddly touching. I feel badly for him--no one wants to put a guy into the hospital for taking a swing. I could imagine that really messing with your head.
   36. Christopher Linden Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:39 AM (#4674711)
I have Chapman and Corbin in my table-game league. Chapman's a holdover (he blew the save for me in Game 7 of our World Series last year) and Corbin I drafted in the second round this year. Been a rough March for those two.

I'm in agreement with James about mandating thicker handles and heavier bats in general. Slowing down the bat speed a tick would be beneficial to the game in a lot of ways, including adding a margin of safety. And I see no downside to the lined cap. Ultimately, though, there's a limit to the risk reduction; the game revolves around a hard rock jetting all over the place, sometimes from unpredictable angles. People are going to get hurt.

Happy Base Ball
   37. steagles Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4674715)
hasn't this problem already been addressed and solved by cricket hurlers? a padded hat would do nothing to prevent getting hit in the flesh side of the head, but a cricket-style hard shelled helmet with a full face cage would seem to prevent this kind of incident from ever happening again.
   38. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: March 21, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4674720)
I think most mlb pitchers would have the the cage moved out of place from the follow through. That and pitching with it on would mes with them.
   39. CFiJ Posted: March 21, 2014 at 06:30 AM (#4674730)
If I was a Major Leaguer with the surname "Chapman", I'd wear a football helmet on the field at all times.
   40. Sunday silence Posted: March 21, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4674745)
how do cricket players manage it but it would mess with baseball players?
   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 21, 2014 at 09:04 AM (#4674751)
how do cricket players manage it but it would mess with baseball players?

The batter wears the cage mask, not the bowler.

Just scanning Google images, not a single bowler wears any kind of protective head gear. Most don't even wear hats.
   42. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: March 21, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4674758)
I'm in agreement with James about mandating thicker handles and heavier bats in general. Slowing down the bat speed a tick would be beneficial to the game in a lot of ways
Yep, if there is one thing MLB desperately needs, it's more strikeouts.
   43. AJMcCringleberry Posted: March 21, 2014 at 10:04 AM (#4674787)
Is there anything stopping pitchers from wearing helmets (or whatever) now?
   44. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 21, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4674800)
Wouldn't a face mask / helmet of some type be a better idea than the screen? My thought is that pitchers have a lot of different follow-throughs: one screen would not fit all.


Picturing Chad Bradford slinging pitch after pitch that bounces off the screen and hits him in the shins.
   45. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 21, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4674809)
Is there anything stopping pitchers from wearing helmets (or whatever) now?

No rule that I know of.

I just think that it work be very, very hard to pitcher wearing anything with much weight.
   46. Christopher Linden Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4674871)
Yep, if there is one thing MLB desperately needs, it's more strikeouts.

Don't know if mandating a heavier bat would necessarily lead to more strikeouts. I think you'd have more batters realizing that their power is evaporating, and there would be more stress on bat control, which in turn would slightly reduce the advantage of working the count. Lower take rate, more BIP. A more crisply played game with more of a focus on speed and far, far less take-and-rake and grip-it-and-rip-it.

Happy Base Ball

   47. spike Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4674880)
in a game with reduced power, wouldn't walks become more rather than less important, and similarly plate discipline? I could easily see the result as more pitches taken rather than less.
   48. Bug Selig Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4674890)
in a game with reduced power, wouldn't walks become more rather than less important, and similarly plate discipline? I could easily see the result as more pitches taken rather than less.


I also question the idea that less effective swings would lead to more frequent swings.
   49. Greg K Posted: March 21, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4674915)
hasn't this problem already been addressed and solved by cricket hurlers? a padded hat would do nothing to prevent getting hit in the flesh side of the head, but a cricket-style hard shelled helmet with a full face cage would seem to prevent this kind of incident from ever happening again.

As snapper points out, bowlers don't wear head gear.

Just scanning Google images, not a single bowler wears any kind of protective head gear. Most don't even wear hats.

But the Australian ones do wear a lot of sunblock!
   50. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 21, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4674929)
in a game with reduced power, wouldn't walks become more rather than less important, and similarly plate discipline?

Exactly the opposite; getting on base is less valuable in an environment where you aren't likely to be driven in.
   51. Sunday silence Posted: March 21, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4675057)
he didnt say less likely to score he said less power. Less power = more scratch hits and walks.
   52. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 21, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4675062)
Less power = more scratch hits and walks.

Bull. ####.
   53. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: March 21, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4675106)
Too many balls out swings in the game today. That's the reason for these plunkings.
   54. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: March 22, 2014 at 05:48 AM (#4675243)
Exactly the opposite; getting on base is less valuable in an environment where you aren't likely to be driven in.

In terms of runs, a lower run environment reduces the value of ALL offensive events. But you also have to adjust for the fact that runs per win also takes a nose dive. What that actually means, is that extra base hits (especially home runs) become even more desirable than both walks and singles, since they lose a much smaller fraction of their value, and thus contribute much more to a win. So yeah, reducing run scoring actually incentivizes take & rake even more over hack for singles.

Also, the notion that making it harder for hitters to make contact, will result in hitters making more contact, is just loopy. Occam's razor is your friend here.
   55. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 22, 2014 at 08:19 AM (#4675282)
any word on chapman? is he doing ok?
   56. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: March 22, 2014 at 08:43 AM (#4675289)
Harvs, last I heard he was doing good... or at least as good as you could hope for a guy with a skull fracture. Mild concussion, and surgery today to have a plate installed to fix the fracture. Expected to make a full recovery. Apparently he was joking around, and seemed generally in high spirits.
   57. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 22, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4675290)
Phew. Good to hear

Thanks
   58. puck Posted: March 22, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4675342)
Chapman posted a pic on instagram that showed a hell of a line of staples going across the top of his head.

How did he have breaks in his nose and above his eyebrow? Did he hit his nose when he landed?

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