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As another season ends in frustration, Mariners are stuck in worst kind of limbo | The Seattle Times

Pessimism for the Mariners.

They have $122.5 million tied up in just seven players – Felix Hernandez, Robinson Cano, Kyle Seager, Mike Leake, Dee Gordon, Jean Segura and Juan Nicasio – most of whom underachieved badly in 2018 for a variety of reasons.

They have few minor-league prospects on the horizon coming out of a farm system that continues to rank last in MLB in virtually every poll. And they play in a division with the Astros, who look to be elite for a few more years, and the A’s, who have emerged as a powerhouse despite having baseball’s lowest payroll at $65.9 million (compared with $157.9 million for the Mariners).

Jim Furtado Posted: September 14, 2018 at 07:48 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: September 14, 2018 at 01:15 PM (#5744423)
They are in a bad spot. I don't know if Felix has a buyout but if he does, they should eat that contract and buy him out. You can't have a 17 million dollar swing man on the roster next year, not if they are looking to compete anyways. If he doesn't have a buyout just DFA him and eat the money. He's dead wood.

Dipoto seems to indicated they were gonna give it another go at contention next year, possibly involving expanding the payroll. Good luck.
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: September 14, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5744427)
If he doesn't have a buyout just DFA him and eat the money. He's dead wood.
They should at least try him as a reliever first. A $17m effective swingman or set-up man is better than a $17m nothing.

Edit: It's actually $27m, right?
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 14, 2018 at 01:36 PM (#5744439)
Edit: It's actually $27m, right?

Yup. And per Cots it's fully guaranteed.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 14, 2018 at 01:44 PM (#5744445)
I think it's only the 6th-worst kind of limbo
   5. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: September 14, 2018 at 01:45 PM (#5744448)
They should at least try him as a reliever first. A $17m effective swingman or set-up man is better than a $17m nothing.


They tried that in August but because of injuries he was forced back into the rotation. In an EXTREMELY small sample of 5.2 innings as a reliever he had a 3.18 ERA with 2 walks, 2 strikeouts, a HR allowed and batters hit 250/318/500 against him.

In the 2nd half, he pitched 46.1 innings, he had an ERA of 6.22 with 34 K against 21 walks. Batters hit 265/348/494 against him. He finished the year at .4 fWAR with a FIP over 5 and an ERA of 5.46.

He's looking pretty toasty. I guess you can keep him around as your swing man, but then there's his quite elevated injury risk.
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 14, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5744457)
In an EXTREMELY small sample of 5.2 innings as a reliever


Extremely small sample is right - it was one game.
   7. DL from MN Posted: September 14, 2018 at 02:29 PM (#5744478)
Felix' splits look terrible the first time through the order. Not sure if relieving will help.
   8. This is going to be state of the art wall Posted: September 14, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5744488)
Extremely small sample is right - it was one game.


His stuff won't "play up" out of the pen and he's a constant injury risk. If he's your swingman next year you better have the 26th man down in Tacoma on speed dial. But, I have a feeling that he will be coming out of the pen next year and will be used as an emergency starter as well. They have no pitching depth.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 14, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5744493)
His stuff won't "play up" out of the pen

Why? Almost everyone gains a tick or two when they know they only have to throw 25 pitches.

   10. Nasty Nate Posted: September 14, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5744504)
Felix' splits look terrible the first time through the order. Not sure if relieving will help.
I don't think that is very predictive concerning an SP converting to an RP.
   11. Khrushin it bro Posted: September 14, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5744511)
After years of being a joke, the Mariners have made one of the most impressive turnarounds in recent history.


Written in 2010...

6th best

I feel bad for Mariners fans that's a really long time without any playoff appearances.
   12. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: September 14, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5744515)
They have $122.5 million tied up in just seven players – Felix Hernandez, Robinson Cano, Kyle Seager, Mike Leake, Dee Gordon, Jean Segura and Juan Nicasio – most of whom underachieved badly in 2018 for a variety of reasons.


This doesn't sound all that bad. Cano has been fine since his return, and will be back for a full season next year. Segura hit .310 and put up 3.6 WAR over 130 games. Leake contributed 2.3 WAR, which is what you'd expect. Gordon had a tough year but didn't he try a new position? And then have to move back for Cano?

Seattle's big challenge next year will be figuring out how to once again outperform their Pythag by 10+ games.

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